Wolfowitz story falsified

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/01/22/2003220487

UNRAVELLING: A woman lied about being tortured during Saddam Hussein's reign and a US newspaper is having to backtrack on a story it wrote about her

NY TIMES NEWS SERVICE , NEW YORK
Saturday, Jan 22, 2005,Page 6

Testifying before the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee in July 2003 about the rebuilding of Iraq, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told the story of Jumana Michael Hanna, an Iraqi woman who had recently come to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad with a tale of her horrific torture at the hands of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Hanna's tale -- more than two years of imprisonment that included being subjected to electric shocks, repeatedly raped and sexually assaulted -- was unusual in that she was willing to name the Iraqi police officials who participated in her torture, "information that is helping us to root out Baathist policemen who routinely tortured and killed prisoners," Wolfowitz said.

But Hanna's story, which 10 days before Wolfowitz's testimony had been the subject of a front-page article in the Washington Post, appears to have unraveled. Esquire magazine, in this month's issue, published a lengthy article, by a writer who was hired to help Hanna produce a memoir, saying that her account had all but fallen apart.

And on Thursday, the Post itself published a follow-up article saying that Hanna, who was granted refugee status by US officials on the basis of her claims of imprisonment, torture and sexual abuse, "appears to have made false claims about her past, according to a fresh examination of her statements."

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[AP]

1. If she had just waited until after the invasion, the torture story could..

...have been true.

[leesa]

17. I think I'm becoming mentally ill from this...your comment made me laugh

and it's so damned sad.

[placton]

61. Leesa, thanks for the comment

I, too, often feel like I must be crazy, our country cannot be doing this, Jed Bartlett is really president. I feel saner - but, scarily, I am not sure that's a good thing.

[arwalden]

34. Oooo!

<wincing>

[The Zanti Regent]

51. You know the whores at the Whore$hington Po$t lie!

Fact checking?

In the Whoreshington Post and the Main $tream Media?

Dream on!

[Racenut20]

2. Give her a bronze star and the presidents medal of freedom. And maybe

throw in an iron cross to boot.

[aikido15]

36. ROFL...

[babylonsister]

3. Wow! I wonder why this hasn't been broadcast

far and wide? We know Wolfie is as bad as the rest of them, so this backs that up. Also, the WH manipulating the press and stories again? Say it isn't so! :eyes:

[oldtime dfl_er]

6. I hope she got some cash for her story

since everybody else is on the WH payroll.

www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[Supersedeas]

9. on more careful inspection manipulation is distinct from complicity

silence in the wake of this revelation is notably complicit.

[aikido15]

37. Washington Post did a huge

follow up on crazy Hanna weeks ago...must have gotten buried, gee, imagine that.

[PA Democrat]

4. Reminds me of the story about babies being ripped from

incubators before the first Gulf War. That one was found to be bogus as well.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Who got fired over that one?

[Kool Kitty]

52. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That's the funniest thing I've heard so far today. Fired? Surely you jest.

[NVMojo]

56. yeah, really ...no one ever gets fired for lying for the shrub ...

[shrike]

5. Sounds like the incubator story

Remember, during the first Gulf War?

The "witness" to babies being taken out of incubators and left to die turned out to be the daughter of a diplomat -- a plant, in other words.

[ET Awful]

8. Not only was she a plant, but she was paid by a US PR firm to do it

if I recall properly.

[lostnfound]

24. Not necessarily paid, but prepped, by Hill & Knowlton

Here's a debate on the subject with Lori Fitz-Pegado, the person who actually did the prepping, vs. John Stauber who wrote about it.

Fitz-Pegado later was involved in publicizing the book about Jessica Lynch.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/02/1540237&mode=thread&tid=25

[kuozzman]

12. I was just looking for that story! I read it on GNN a while ago,

in an article about "perception management". What a bunch of BS!

[NNN0LHI]

22. When contemplating war, beware of babies in incubators

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.html

More than 10 years later, I can still recall my brother Sean's face. It was bright red. Furious. Not one given to fits of temper, Sean was in an uproar. He was a father, and he had just heard that Iraqi soldiers had taken scores of babies out of incubators in Kuwait City and left them to die. The Iraqis had shipped the incubators back to Baghdad. A pacifist by nature, my brother was not in a peaceful mood that day. "We've got to go and get Saddam Hussein. Now," he said passionately.

I completely understood his feelings. Although I had no family of my own then, who could countenance such brutality? The news of the slaughter had come at a key moment in the deliberations about whether the US would invade Iraq. Those who watched the non-stop debates on TV saw that many of those who had previously wavered on the issue had been turned into warriors by this shocking incident.

Too bad it never happened. The babies in the incubator story is a classic example of how easy it is for the public and legislators to be mislead during moments of high tension. It's also a vivid example of how the media can be manipulated if we do not keep our guards up. snip

The Kuwait government had to find a way to "sell the war" to the American public, who were interested, but not deeply involved. So under the auspices of a group called Citizen for a Free Kuwait, which was really the Kuwait government in exile (the group received almost $12 million from the Kuwaiti government, and only $17,000 from others, according to author John R. MacArthur) the American PR firm Hill & Knowlton was hired for $10.7 million to devise a campaign to win American support for the war. Craig Fuller, the firm's president and COO, had been then-President George Bush's chief of staff when the senior Bush has served as vice president under Ronald Reagan. The move made a lot of sense – after all, access to power is everything in Washington and the Hill & Knowlton people had lots of that.

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[FormerDittoHead]

7. Jumana Michael Hanna - THE RIGHT'S TAWANNA BRAWLEY

But don't hold your BREATH for Wolfowitz to be put under the same scrutiny as Al Sharpton - it's not like Wolfowitz had any position of power...

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. Maybe Germany will file charges against Wolfie for war crimes, like

they did for Rummy?

[babylonsister]

14. Great analogy! If only this got as

much attention. I lived in NY during that long dark story, and believed Tawanna because at the time I had no reason not to. Sadly, I'm MUCH more cynical now.

[seemslikeadream]

11. How the public relations industry sold the Gulf War to the US

How the public relations industry sold the Gulf War to the US, the mother of all clients

...

On October 10, 1990, the Congressional Human Rights Caucus held a hearing on Capitol Hill which provided the first opportunity for formal presentations of Iraqi human rights violations. Outwardly, the hearing resembled an official congressional proceeding, but appearances were deceiving. In reality, the Human Rights Caucus, chaired by California Democrat Tom Lantos and Illinois Republican John Porter, was simply an association of politicians. Lantos and Porter were co-chairs of the Congressional Human Rights Foundation, a legally separate entity that occupied free office space valued at $3,000 a year in Hill & Knowlton's Washington, DC office. Notwithstanding its congressional trappings, the Congressional Human Rights Caucus served as another Hill & Knowlton front group, which -- like all front groups -- used a noble-sounding name to disguise its true purpose.3

Only a few astute observers noticed the hypocrisy in Hill & Knowlton's use of the term "human rights." One of those observers was John MacArthur, author of The Second Front, which remains the best book written about the manipulation of the news media during the Gulf War. In the fall of 1990, MacArthur reported, Hill & Knowlton's Washington switchboard was simultaneously fielding calls for the Human Rights Foundation and for "government representatives of Indonesia, another H&K client. Like H&K client Turkey, Indonesia is a practitioner of naked aggression, having seized . . . the former Portuguese colony of East Timor in 1975. Since the annexation of East Timor, the Indonesian government was killed, by conservative estimate, about 100,000 inhabitants of the region.4

MacArthur also noticed another telling detail about the October 1990 hearings. "The Human Rights Caucus is not a committee of congress, and therefore it is unencumbered by the legal accouterments that would make a witness hesitate before he or she lied . . . Lying under oath in front of a congressional committee is a crime; lying from under the cover of anonymity to a caucus is merely public relations.5

In fact, the most emotionally moving testimony on October 10 came from a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only by her first name of Nayirah. According to the Caucus, Nayirah's full name was being kept confidential to prevent Iraqi reprisals against her family in occupied Kuwait. Sobbing, she described what she had seen with her own eyes in a hospital in Kuwait City. Her written testimony was passed out in a media kit prepared by Citizens for a Free Kuwait. "I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital," Nayirah said. "While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where . . . babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die."6

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http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3589/us-iraq-lie.html

[kainah]

20. I remember watching her testimony

And it was really amazing. It sounded so incredible, I thought. But, she's testifying before Congress, I told myself. But this just sounds too fantastic, I thought.

And then, the truth came out.... One more piece of evidence that you can't trust what government tells you to believe.

The Bush administration -- all PR, all the time.

[NNN0LHI]

23. I remember her testimony brought tears to my eyes

And when I found out it was all lies I felt like strangling someone.

Don

[WillieWoohah]

15. Fake but accurate

I think the real problem here is not the lie, but that the exposure of the lie will make people doubt that torture and murder of dissidents under Saddam occurred.

Seriously, do you really think that HRW and Amnesty were lying when they documented all the cases of torture and abuse under the Ba'ath regime?

[leesa]

19. There was apparently torture and abuse, but you can probably cut the US

propaganda version by 50%.

My guess is that the Bush Crime Family has participated in much more over the years.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

40. CIA Station Chief in Angola blows whistle on mass murder and torture.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm
(CIA Angola Station Chief Under Bush I Tells All)

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
(US Military and CIA Interventions Since WWII)

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ST.html
(The Secret Team: the CIA and its Allies In Control)

A few US bankers and corporations paid for the rise of Hitler and financed over half the steel in his war machine. 50,000,000 died in Europe.

One of them was **'s grandfather Prescott Bush. Consider the numbers involved in THAT complicity.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/listservs/spoons/woodco-greens.archive/woodco-greens.0006
(History of Financing Nazi Germany by US and English Bankers)

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
(The Nazi Hydra In America 1919-)

Consider the suffering of the Republican/neo-con eugenics economy in this country.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-07/uop-ur2071703.php
(UPENN Study: US Ranks 27th in Social Progress, Static Since 1980)

[Bridget Burke]

25. The real problem here is the Lie.

Let the "real" abuses of Saddam's regime be proven in court. He's going to be tried, isn't he?

There are documented crimes. Anything else--even something that "everyone" knows happened--remains to be proven.

[DulceDecorum]

27. True lies = One Effing load of CRAP

Fake but accurate!!!
What the hell type of MORANS do you take us for?

The bitch was spewing out filth to get people killed.
Just like that Steve Emerson
and Rita Katz
and their pal Azzam the American from the US DoJ.

Anyone who supports FALSE TESTIMONY
defies and dishonors YHWH
and should die a thousand gruesome deaths.
Bastard hunchback gonorrhea-ridden pig genitals.
Even Satan puts on gloves to touch such filth.

[Colorado Blue]

57. The Truth and 9/11

I went to the link you supplied and it's interesting reading.

There's a book by John Nance, who writes thrillers. I think it's Pandora's Clock (?) My memory isn't functioning too well this morning. In any case a rogue at the Pentagon advises an Arab terrorist that this plane, a passenger 747, is flying in a certain area at a certain time, enabling the terrorist to hire a Russian jet to shoot the 747 out of the sky. This will enable the American to blame an Arab terrorist group and pave the way for a war in the Middle East. He figures American outrage at the destruction of its plane and people will drive the war machine into action. Sound familiar? The book was written several years BEFORE the 2000 "election" and the day of 9/11 and subsequently, I kept thinking, hmmmmmmmmm.

However, attributing the collapse of the twin towers to a real estate scheme is really too much. And not enough - I am not denying that there may well have been geo-political (ie, oil) interests in play that day - but the Jewish lightning? Please. It's bad enough that the REAL Arab terrorists exist and that some blamed the Jews for 9/11 but it hurts me to see stuff like this in print, published as "truth". There is enough bigotry in the world. We need to keep our balance and when complaining about Bush, not forget the real world and the fact that monsters exist out there and that they have real victims.

Finally, I'm acquainted with a person who lost a relative on Flight 11. The dead passengers were real. The grief of their survivors is painfully real. I wish it weren't so!

People reading these links should read them with an open mind because there are a LOT of questions about 9/11 that are indeed haunting and need to be answered. But please, bear in mind that terrorism is NOT imaginary, the victims really die, they are real people with real lives. And pretending that Saddam wasn't a bad man isn't gonna fly with me. Having said that I sorrow over this war and was afraid from day one of the "coup" in 2000 that something like this would happen. I made a lot of people mad after 9/11 by emailing folks BEGGING them not to support a war but of course the roar for revenge was awesome and swept all voices for reason and diplomacy - and a careful investigation of what really happened and who did it - out with the tide.

Lies? Of course! Churchill reputedly set up the Lusitainia for a German U-boat in order to drive the US into WWI. It's the nature of power in a "democratic" society - you must somehow brainwash the people into allowing you to act.

Hitler absolutely hypnotized Germany into doing unspeakable things and he used the myth of Aryan supremacy, combined with fears that the Jews were eating Christian babies, diluting their bloodlines and stealing their money, to push them over the top. But the lies wouldn't have worked if people hadn't already been deeply bigoted as well as broke and scarred from WWI, and afraid of losing what they had. The Right Wing is driven largely by fear of losing their money and the Christians are afraid of losing their God - they are easy prey.

I hope we're a little tougher and more clearminded! My fear is that we (liberals) sometimes tend, in our anger, to lose our balance and wind up sounding as nutty as Those Other Guys.

Good morning to all and peace!

[ashmanonar]

74. if you really wanna be frightened by a parallel between "fact" and fiction

read Tom Clancy. he wrote Debt of Honor in 1994, 7 years before the occurrence...(in debt of honor, a japanese airliner captain kamakazes into the capitol building, with everybody important in the government in it...)--{i have my hesitations about clancy, his stuff seems awfullly conservative...but it's a good read all teh same.}

just think...what would have happened if the airliner had hit the capitol building? would we have a congress right now?

or would bush have taken over "unilaterally", just like his illegal action against iraq?

so the really scary thing about this whole thing isn't what happened, it's what didn't happen...

of course, that would have wrecked their whole operational concept. "...it seems just like a tom clancy novel..." would have made people realize that somehting was up...

[not systems]

28. Priceless little attachment to the rule of law...

is a hall mark of people who know what is and isn't with
no proof.

Bush launched an illegal war of aggression and should be
tried for it.

No matter how sure you are of the correctness of your
war, no WMD's have been found and the atrocity cases
that you are so sure of unravel day by day.

Meanwhile our money, troops and reputation are pissed away
on the killing fields of Iraq and the camps world wide that
house prisoners in extra judicial detention in the tradition
of the worlds greatest tyrants.

[WillieWoohah]

65. As if the case against Saddam depends upon this..

people who know what is and isn't with no proof.

There are plenty of other documented cases of torture and abuse under Saddam without having to rely on this woman. I suppose they are all lies too?

[not systems]

72. Maybe maybe not but...

they certainly are not worth spending mounts of cash
and losing thousands or troops and killing tens of
thousand of innocent Iraqis for.

In fact I would say that Iraq would be better off with
Saddam than "liberators" that sodomized a 70 year old women
with a stick.

I guess you support that kind of thing.

[NNN0LHI]

29. Problem is that Abu Ghraib Prison and some other unsavory incidents...

...has left America in no position to condemn such behavior. Invading and occupying another sovereign nation due to Bush's mistakes (Phantom WMDs, Scuds, Drones, Winnebagos Of Death, etc.) , and in the process killing and maiming thousand of innocents doesn't do much to improve Americas image much neither.

Don

[WillieWoohah]

66. True, but it's not quite the same for non-Americans

I oppose torture, but I don't have a problem continuing to support our allies (such as the USA) when they do it if it's necessary for the greater good. It's kind of like supporting Stalin in WW2.

[FredScuttle]

68. When is torture necessary for the greater good?

And, how is torture the best course of action?

[WillieWoohah]

70. Torture is never neccesary for the greater good

but supporting allies who engage in torture sometimes is. I think it's morally defensible to continue to support them as long as you make your opposition to those practises clear and don't engage in them yourself.

And I don't accept that simply being allies with someone and continuing to support them makes you an accessory to their crimes. If that was true the Allies would be responsible for the rapes of German women by Russian soldiers committed on the Eastern front.

[nolabels]

75. What the heck then?

The US is even more weak and evil than the people who profess to do by the law of their land. The US lies about even doing it. That is some really weak shit in my book. Tells me what ever thin grasp of reality some of the people running things has is getting thiner by the moment.

Imagine writing a long diatribe on reasoning why torture is okay. To me that's just plain stupid. Then they want to make that guy, the one who wrote such insanity, the head of law and order of the country as the US Attorney General? What ever evil befalls to the US, by Karma or otherwise, you can bet it's on a very short fuse and paid for long ago.

[KC21304]

30. Kind of like those CBS documents, aint it.

I wonder how many will get fired for this. Liberal media.

[WillieWoohah]

67. Do you think I care about those documents? n/t

Bush was AWOL. Which proves my point

[Fenris]

31. You people just aren't trying anymore.

[The Backlash Cometh]

48. So? Bush was probably AWOL, but that didn't stop CBS from

firing people for not doing a thorough research job. Same rules apply here.

[Ganja Ninja]

54. Exactly! Where's the RW outrage? n/t

[tabasco]

53. Tell it to the troops.

Tell it to the dead soldiers who gave their lives for Halliburton profits. Tell them it's ok to lie and exaggerate to take a Nation to war. Tell them we have become the policeman of the world and tell them they are dying for Iraq, not for America. Tell them it's ok. Better yet, support the troops by becoming one, like this dirty liberal, who served two combat tours in the infantry.

[zbdent]

55. Funny how your side seemed not to care about HRW and Amnesty's

reports at the time the LEFT was pointing out the shit that was going on . . .

Rumsfeld was shaking hands with Saddam mere days after "gassing his own people", whomever they were.

1990, Arlen Specter gave a somewhat glowing report of the Greatness of Saddam Hussein only a few months before SH invaded Kuwait. After travelling to Iraq . . .

[WillieWoohah]

64. "My side" WAS the left back then

and it still is, since I voted Labour in the last Aussie elections. The funny thing is that the "left" used to care about violence and abuse in countries like Iraq and East Timor, until the "right" started doing something about it, and then suddenly reports of torture and abuse all became "lies" and "propaganda".

[not systems]

73. So your a neo-con...

like that wasn't easy to guess.

"Let's save the world o-boy here we go crusading for
truth and freedom. Just put it on the credit card and
start teaching them evil doers with my big freedom stick."

"Left" like Tony Blair I guess.

[Metrix]

16. Lincoln Chafee's expression was priceless while he listened to Wolfowitz

lustily testify before the Foreign Relations Committee about the "torture tree" outside the Baghdad jail, with the two sets of rope marks, one for men and one at a lower position for women.

[mordarlar]

18. Link to Post coverage of this story...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22249-2005Jan19.html

[MountainLaurel]

26. Thanks for posting

The WP ombudsman gave a sort of mea culpa in his column today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29575-2005Jan22.html

[BlueManDude]

21. Same crap as during the First Gulf War.

[Laurab]

32. I don't trust anyone affiliated in any way, shape or form

with the Bushit regime. What's really sad is that one day they might be telling the truth. I doubt it, but it COULD happen. And it might be the truth about some threat to us, that actually IS a threat to us. I won't believe it, because they have absolutely no credibility with me, so in that way, they've harmed the country even more (if that's possible).

[jayfish]

33. My Question Is;...

if this sort of thing was so prevalent during Saddam's reign of terror, why did they have to push a fake story with a fake witness to prove it? There should have been scores of real victims who would have jumped at the chance to tell their story. If I were to take a guess at the answer, I would have to say that the US decided to demonize Saddam in 91' and never let-up. ...truth be damned. Is anything we think we know about Saddam and Iraq true?

Jay

[NNN0LHI]

35. Because when it comes right down to it Saddam was no more brutal...

...than the leaders of 90% of Americas current client states. And when Iraq and Iran were both being their worst by using chemical weapons on the other the USA did not care one bit. Matter of fact the US was encouraging them and assisting them both in the process of killing one another. And everyone knows this. Its already in the history books.

Don

[aikido15]

38. US sold them the...

chemical weapons and continued to sell them to Saddam AFTER he killed the Kurds and his own people...hum...keep that oil flowing.

[LynnTheDem]

41. BINGO.

If you have to LIE, then you have NO CASE.

And if one were to read the HRW or AI's human rights reports from say:

USA
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan

And Iraq, and compare them all...it wouldn't be Iraq on top of the list for invasion & occupation.

Just as the rightwingnuts & bush & his nasty corrupt little Cartel cherry-pick(ed) "WMD" intell, and cherry-pick(ed) religious dogma, and cherry-pick(ed) polls and Iraqi ex-pats, so too did they cherry-pick through human rights reports.

In fact what Iraqis actually living in Iraq have continously said, as long as you did not challenge Hussein's power, he left the Iraqi people alone, and gave them far more freedom than most ME nations.

Who says otherwise??? Former CIA car-bomber terrorist ALLAWI...Iranian spy, liar and conman extraordinaire, CHALABI...scam artist and felon Ms. Hanna...the BFEE PR firm...various Iraqi ex-pats who've never lived in Iraq under Hussein's government...

Et-fucking-cetera.

They can't even find evidence with which to charge Hussein with;

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/18/1071337066012.html

And we should all realize by now that a whole lot of that "mass grave" rhetoric was just another pile of bushit.

One of the FOULEST LIES I have EVER HEARD was spewed by bush;

"Remember we discovered mass graves with hundreds of thousands of men and women and children clutching their little toys, as a result of this person's brutality."

OH REALLY, BUSH, you SICK LYING MFer???

Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html

Hussein, a brutal dictator? Of course. You'd have to be to rule for any amount of time, let alone 30 years, in that neck of the woods. But that should have been left to the Iraqi people to deal with, just as so many Iraqis have themselves said.

Look what we're currently doing ourselves; TORTURE, RAPE, DISAPPEARANCES, KIDNAPPING, RAZING CITIES, MURDER, JAILING WOMEN & CHILDREN, GUNSHIPS to put down rebel uprisings...and worse, in the eyes of the Iraqis, we're FOREIGN INVADERS.

The current bush-installed former CIA-paid car bombing terrorist interim Iraqi puppet ALLAWI recently shot 6 Iraqis point-blank in the head as they were blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs; no trial, no charges, no jury, no nothing whatsoever.

A "conservative estimate" of 100,000 Iraqi civilians, mostly women & kids, killed since bush's war of aggression with an estimated 85% by direct result of US forces.

And so many Americans still insist bush's illegal Supreme Crime war of aggression is a "humanitarian intervention", even though Numan Rights Watch has made it VERY clear that no it is not; there were NO ongoing or imminent atrocities going on, and Hussein's "worst excesses" were some 20 years ago.

HOW THE HELL can it be a "humanitarian intervention" when there were NO ONGOING ATROCITIES requiring intervention??? But hey, BETTER THAT WE KILL THEM than give Hussein's government a chance to maybe perhaps kill them some day in the future. :eyes:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0126-07.htm

[jayfish]

44. I've Had That Guardian...

story bookmarked for awhile. It's a great weapon.

Jay

[moobu2]

45. To this day, even though they've known

it wasnt true since July 2004, those lies Tony Blair used about the 400,000 bodies in mass graves being discoverd is still on the USAID website.

I just copied it right of he site just now..Even after they've been caught red handed.

"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London.

USAID


"USAID is an independent federal government agency that receives overall foreign policy guidance from the Secretary of State."

[daleo]

43. Now don't go getting all logical on us.

Terror, boo! Democracy, yeah! There, now I feel better.

[fooj]

39. Can Poppy fix this, too?

Give me a break! We wouldn't want to impune anyones integrity!:puke:

[daleo]

42. She will be the next Secretary of State

If Rice doesn't get the posting. The ability to sustain a lie for several years is a talent the BFEE admires and rewards.

[xchrom]

46. lies about wmd's, lies about torture,

lies about the extent and population{uh, before the iraq invasion} of arab terrorists, lies about saddam and bin laden, it's a mathematical wonder it doesn't all implode.

could it be that the lies are all ''managed''?
naw -- that would be something like a right wing conspiracy, wouldn't it?

[Dhalgren]

50. Another area where everyone was lied to

regarding Saddam was his oppression of the population, in general. In the lead up to the war and during its early stages, I heard repeatedly that the Iraqi population was armed. It was on all the news shows about how it would be harder to know who was a civilian and who was a combatant, because everyone carried weapons. And not just the Sunnis, either. The British were looking for ways to get civilians in the heavily Shi'ite south to turn in or lay down their weapons. Now how is it that civilians who can't take care of themselves under a "brutal dictatorship" can, nevertheless walk around with AK 47s? I am not saying that Saddam wasn't a dictator, but the Iraqis were not the helpless bunch of invalids that Bush is making them out to be. Look what they are doing to the "greatest army in the world" - if the Iraqi people had wanted Saddam out, they could have gone a long way to doing it themselves.

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. Washington Post screwed up!

So, whose head is it this time?

[Maestro]

49. Why does this not surprise me?

Nothing amazes me when it comes to this admin. Wolfie, you are a

[indie_voter]

58. Surprise Surprise

What is it going to take for a groundswell of outrage directed where it belongs (hint: this crooked cabal. ;) )?

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

59. but Dan Rather and CBS are sooooo baaaaad- EXPOSE this LIE-with WMD's

and all the rest of them

[Turbineguy]

60. Wolfie telling fibs?

Gosh, whodda thunk it? I mean, isn't he a member of the PNAC? Don't they have some sort of code of ethics about things?

Lying to your supervisor (Congress) and your employer (the People of the United States of America) is OK.

[etherealtruth]

62. In order to preserve a semblance of sanity...

I assume every word uttered by this administration is a lie. It reminds one of that old joke...How can you tell the Chimp or his administration are lying?
Their lips are moving.
Not funny,I know... 'nor is this administration!

[Carolab]

63. Oh, more paid-for "news".

What a bunch of sick shits they all are.

[Disturbed]

69. U.S Imperialism knows no bounds!

Amerikans are and have been duped by many Admins. History proves this.

Reading a few books will open one's mind. How many Amerikans read history that is not required reading in school? I am guessing: Very few. TV is now the info that most Amerikans get. The Mass Media is Corp. and Corps are now in collsion with Govt. That is called Fascism. Yeah, many here are aware of most of this but the Amerikan masses are not. We have a problem folks.

[Carolab]

71. Yes, we have a problem alright.

I couldn't believe it when Will Pitts was speaking at the PDA convention and told about the guy who walked up during the protest and saw the sign "Bush lied. Thousands died." from impeachBush.org, and actually asked "what'd he lie about"? And Will ran down the list of lies regarding Saddam, and told him it was all on the White House's own web site for him to see, and this guy answered "oh, it was the Democrats that lied about that". WHAT??????? As Will said, these people are freaks of nature; they can't grasp even the most fundamental facts and they certainly won't open their minds to the truth.

It's going to take a lot of marches.

[V Lee]

76. LIES????? I'm stunned ...

Lies from the Pentagon? From Wolfowitz? No way!!!

Next they'll be saying they've given up the hunt for WMDs in Iraq. It's all crazy talk!

[Massachusetts]

77. "The secret to lying is to always tell big lies, not small ones".

-Joseph Goebbels