Israel says Egypt, Syria, Saudia Arabia have nuclear programs

[lovuian]

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=ffbe6ddf2d3af120

Israel says Egypt, Syria, Saudia Arabia have nuclear programs
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Big News Network.com Monday 24th January, 2005

Israel claimed Monday that in addition to Iran, Egypt, Syria, and Saudia Arabia are developing nuclear programs.

Meir Dagan, chief of The Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency, made the claim as he delivered a review on the security of Israel to the country's Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.

Israel has made even more pointed charges against Iran, which it claims is deceiving the IAEA, and is building a nuclear reactor in Bushehr. Degan said Iran was receiving assistance from Russia.

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I'm not surprised at this at all!!!

[olddad56]

1. And Isreal doesn't?

[physioex]

9. LOL....

My first thoughts....

[Jacobin]

29. Israel can have them cause Gawd told them they could

The other countries can't.

[Robbien]

2. Didn't a rogue world leader just say he plans on invading countries

willy-nilly planting "democracy" all over the globe?

Don't blame any country if they planned some kind of defense. Don't like it, but don't blame them.

[lovuian]

3. Whats Israel going to do Bomb all of them???

I'm beginning to think Israel just might!!!

http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/01/24/57953.html

Russian-Syrian meeting: peace efforts and international terrorism are the main themes

16:35 2005-01-24
Russian President Vladimir Putin has promised Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon by phone that he won't sign a contract to sell SA-18 surface-to-air missiles to Syria, the daily Haaretz reported Monday.
The reported promise, said to have been made by Putin on Thursday, came on the day that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad begins a four-day official visit to Russia.
The paper said that Sharon had explained to the Russian leader that the arms, also called Igla missiles, risked falling into the hands of Syrian-backed Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon, who are violently opposed to Israel.
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Basicly what Syria is asking Russia is for Missiles!!! Wonder if Putin will oblige???

[FlemingsGhost]

4. And ...?

Israel has trouble accepting that it is not the center of the universe.

[opiate69]

5. ...

"Sic 'em, Georgie!"

[FlemingsGhost]

6. I'll bet that butcher Sharon thinks he has seen the last of Arafat.

Hell awaits.

[mulethree]

7. wow - time to grow a beard

Must be a pain shaving that quadruple chin.

[Nihil]

14. Has to do it very gently though - look carefully and you'll see ...

... it's his scrotum ...

(Who says Men In Black II isn't based on real life? :-) )

[spanone]

17. A Jewish Ballchinian? Why not?

[0007]

30. I think that's his butt!

[DulceDecorum]

8. You forgot Poland.

[lovuian]

10. Mossad chief: Iran will be able to build nukes within 5 years

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/531437.html

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On the issue of international terrorism, Dagan said that the global Islamic Jihad has mapped out Jewish interests to target over the coming five to ten years


I think this confirms its a Holy War!!!

An Important meeting between Syria and Russia

http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/14865_syria.html
Russian-Syrian meeting: peace efforts and international terrorism are the main themes

16:35 2005-01-24
Russian President Vladimir Putin has promised Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon by phone that he won't sign a contract to sell SA-18 surface-to-air missiles to Syria, the daily Haaretz reported Monday.
The reported promise, said to have been made by Putin on Thursday, came on the day that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad begins a four-day official visit to Russia.

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Bashar al-Asad will most likely accept such suggestions, although there can be exceptions made, of course. Syria is interested in arms deliveries, modernization of the energetic industry (save the doubtful nuclear cooperation) and the political support. Needless to say that the influence of Russia pales in comparison with the influence of the USSR, although Damascus is not likely to receive help from anywhere else. European states, not to mention China, will not come into conflict with the USA over Syria - Iraq is enough. Russia, however, is interested in cooperation, although the conditions are not very profitable.



Looks like Syria is all alone here and its feeling the pressure !!!

[UL_Approved]

11. What does the IAEA have to say about this?

Now we know why Israel and the U.S. are busily trying to purge the IAEA...

[Emboldened Chimp]

12. Pot, meet kettle

How many nukes does Israel have, 200-400? What the hell are they complaining about?

[jman0]

13. it's because of the NPT treaty

Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran are all signatories of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. Although Egypt and Iran have some kind of NPT safeguard agreements since 1992.
Israel is not a signatory of this treaty so i don't really see how they can expect other countries to abide by it's terms.
It's also convenient that Washington doesn't pressure Israel to sign-up being the case that they are sooo concerned with WMD's..

http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/text/npt3.htm

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[sabra]

16. From an Israeli...

your assertion are the views of extremists. The average Israeli wants to live in peace with it's Arab neighbors. In fact if you look at the every day life of many citizens there is alot of interaction in school, business and other with Arabs.

Just like here, the people are suffering....

[Magmadona]

18. And that matters?

Yeah like us Americans there are many of us who do not agree with the President or his villagers but as long as he is seen on TV boasting about freedom the rest of the world looks down upon us. This is just the same with Israel when Sharron goes ape-shit and kills a few people Arabs are most likely going to blame all of Israel for its practices which effect other states in the region. Secondly along with all that interaction lies a whole lot of decent and racially motivated exclusion do to ethnic background and skin color so save me the ever accepting utopian crap.

[sabra]

20. "racially motivated exclusion do to ethnic background"

I am very familiar with that. Especially my late grandfather, who lost his 7 brothers and sisters and parents in the Holocaust.

I lost a childhood friend, who was killed by a sniper, as she was riding on a bus near Jerusalem, going to her job as a teacher for kids with autism.

The interesting thing is, there's alot of things going on, that we don't here about in the news (and that's a surprise?). I have friends in Israeli Universities, who are part of this program, where both Israeli and Arab students meet and discuss everything from peace to movies. The program has been very successful, but the main reason people don't hear about it is, that the Arab students are scared of the repercussion they will receive...

[ldf]

19. just like

the christians need to take back christianity,
the muslims need to take back islam,
the republicans need to take back the gop,
we democrats need to take back our party,
americans need to take back our country,

maybe, just maybe, the israelies need to take back their government, too.

how did it happen that absolutely everyone who is in control (at least in the above instances), shouldn't be?

people need to start paying attention and thinking the "what if" game. "what" are going to be the ramifications "if" this occurs.....?

instead, it is "please don't interrupt my reality show".

:-(

[sabra]

21. It's that damn fear factor!

As long as the gov't keeps pushing the security and fear factors, people will be willing to go along with their policies... Also very similar to here :-(

[Larkspur]

22. Yet, Israeli troops have no trouble killing 3 times more Palestinians

than suicide bombers do Israeli citizens and 5 times more Palestinian children than suicide bombers do Israeli children. Also Israel has no trouble encouraging the growth of illegal Jewish settlements on Occupied Territory.

Those actions are the actions of imperialists, colonizers, and tyrants not the actions of "good neighbors."

Face it! Zionism is just a mutation of the old European colonialism, which is how Mahatma Gandhi saw it and why he opposed the creation of the state of Israel in Palestine.

[sabra]

23. Do you agree with Ghandi's view? n/t

[Larkspur]

31. Yes, I agree with Gandhi's view on Israel

Israel should never have been created in Palestine. Zionism is a mutation of 19th century European colonialism.

Now that it is there, Israel needs to be pushed back to the pre-1967 borders, Palestinian refugees and those who lost property due to the apartheid wall should receive reparations from Israel for these crimes. And to secure the peace, the US and UN need to run a joint security force until the Palestinians have a trained security force to deal with internal criminals and have an economy and political system that brings hope and prosperity to the Palestinians. Israel should never be allowed to attack Palestinians directly, unless they enter Israel to commit violence, which should not happen if Palestinians are treated with respect, like all human beings should.

[yinkaafrica]

33. A good point and very true

There is a large and growing peace movement in Israel.
(I like your handle.)

[w4rma]

25. Not Israel. It's the Likud Party who believes that.

They have control of the Israeli government, for now.

It's the same situation there as it is in America with the Republican Party.

[sabra]

26. The post wants to put everyone under the same umbrella!

[tlcandie]

24. Israel really needs to grow up past the finger pointing stage.. ya know?!

n/t

[mumon]

27. Pot calling the kettle black...

Good topic for my blog today.

(http://mumonno.blogpsot.com )

[lovuian]

28. A Update on Russia Putin & Bush today

Evidentally Russia has decided to help Iran defend itself against Israeli and US air attacks

OKB engineering group in Dubna near Moscow had just completed the installation of two advanced radar systems around the Bushehr nuclear reactor on the Persian Gulf.


and

Russians are defending all the Iran Nuclear reactors from Israeli and US air attacks!!!

and according to Intelligence Oh are the US & Israeli's so upset right now

and now Syria wants the same air anticraft system and defense and ya know Putin is probably going to say he isn't going to sell it to Assad to Bush but alas he might be lying and so what is really Bush going to do about it!!!

[Jack The Tab]

32. Israel is truly a stone around our foreign policy neck...

Israel's continued claims of the danger they face from other countries in the region are at this point demostrably false.

They do have a serious problem with acts of terrorism, but this stems from a continuing dick war between two groups of extremists.

Israel is the dominant military force in that region and will never be attacked militarily again.

We are doing their dirty work in proxy.

[bpilgrim]

34. TRIFECTA

http://www.amerikuh.com/trifecta.mp3

"Obviously, we've got budget matters. You know, when I was running for President, in Chicago, somebody said, would you ever have deficit spending? I said, only if we were at war, or only if we had a recession, or only if we had a national emergency. Never did I dream we'd get the TRIFECTA." (Laughter.)
(Taft for Governor Luncheon, May 10, 2002)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020510-3.html

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http://news.globalfreepress.com/trifecta/

peace

[plasticsundance]

35. There's more to this story than meets the eyes

Remembering that there is an oil pipeline running from Kirkuk, Iraq to Ceyhan, Turkey, and another pipeline running from Kirkuk, Iraq to Baniyas, Syria, one can see the geostrategic and geoeconomic game unfolding.

Oil companies shipping from the ME to the US have always wanted to avoid the costly Persian Gulf route. Instead, these oil companies have long dreamt of having a cheaper access point in the Mediterranean. Israel has long dreamt of having this access point in Haifa, Israel. However, the strenuous relations with its neighbors has placed Israel outside the bidding process.

Israel would like to replace the Kirkuk, Iraq to Baniyas, Syria pipeline with their own location, i.e. Haifa, especially now that Iraq is under US occupation. Israel feels that Jordan could be coaxed into allowing such a deal.

Russia, meanwhile, has its own ambitions to run its oil out from the Caspian Sea region. Russia and Iran have already made agreements about usage of the Caspian Sea.

Just as of today, Russia and Syria have made an agreement:

http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=159&msg_id=5347266&startrow=1&date=2005-01-26&do_alert=0

"On Wednesday Minister Victor Khristenko and Ibrahim Haddad, Oil and Mineral Resources Minister of the Syrian Arab Republic, had a discussion of topical matters of bilateral cooperation in the energy sphere.

They considered the possibility of Russian companies' participation in the tender for realization of the third stage of the Syrian portion of the strategic pan-Arab gas pipeline project (it extends from the Syrian-Jordanian border to Homs in central Syria). The Russian side has voiced interest in participation in another new promising project Palmira Gas."

This is a highly important development, when one considers that the Baniyas, Syrian pipeline running from Kirkuk, Iraq is need of some repair. This was even the case prior the invasion of Iraq.

And yet in anoter recent development, Russia appears to be regaining Central Asia, as one can see with the following development:

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/business/articles/eav011905.shtml

The message from the Kremlin may have been about peace and partnership following signature of a border agreement with Kazakhstan on January 18, but long-term attention promises to be on an energy deal that will furnish Russia with a stake in one of Central Asia’s largest natural gas deposits.

The treaty, signed in Moscow by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Kazakhstani President Nursultan Nazarbayev, defines the 7,500-kilometer-long frontier between Russia and Kazakhstan, the world’s longest land border. The document, six years in the making, acts as "confirmation of Russia’s recognition of Kazakhstani sovereignty" Putin told a news conference after the signature ceremony. "It means that people living on either side of the border will feel comfortable," the Russian news agency Novosti quoted Putin as saying.


My guess is that the US and Israel not only wanted to pressure Russia, but also to stir up some trouble between Russia and Syria, especially during the recent talks taking place between Russia and Syria. Neither Russia or Syria took the bait as represented in this press release from their meetings:

http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=5340175&startrow=1&date=2005-01-25&do_alert=0

"When a president goes on a foreign visit, he does not discuss specific arms supplies. We discuss general issues of military and technological cooperation," said Mr. al-Asad.

When asked about a scandal around possible arms supplies of Russian anti-aircraft Iskander-E missiles to Syria, he said that at stake were defense weapons.

"These are defense weapons, air defense, that prevent enemy aircraft from infiltrating our air space. If Israel is against our purchases, it sounds as if it were saying, "we want to attack Syria but we do not want it to be able to defend itself," said Mr. al-Asad.

In addition to the question of oil pipelines, pull out an atlas and one can see why the US placed military assistance to the nation of Georgia sometime after 911.

[Cocoa]

36. does Israel still deny they have nukes?

that would make this highly ironic, Israel claims to be the only non-nuclear power in the Middle East.