Clinton, Elder Bush to Attend Super Bowl

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Former presidents Clinton and Bush will attend the Super Bowl on Feb. 6 and make another plea for tsunami victims.

They will appear live on Fox TV's pregame show ``to continue to raise awareness for tsunami relief and to thank the NFL and fans for their ongoing support,'' said league spokesman Brian McCarthy.

Both have appeared in television and radio commercials asking for donations to help victims of the Dec. 26 Southeast Asian disaster.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-FBN-Super-Bowl-Presidents.html?oref=login

[PartyPooper]

1. Maybe Poppy Bush will relinquish his daddy's nazi profits from WWII.

Otherwise, forget it. I won't be watching.

[sweetheart]

2. Both of them are short on female breasts

... and they're praying for more costume misfuction. ;-)

[Lefty48197]

3. Bill should ask George, to ask George Jr. to

stop fuckin* up the world.

[burn the bush]

4. something is up. do you think clinton is handcuffed to poppy?

most likely to keep him quiet and to portray the new "Moving On Together" motto that the pugs would like us to fall in line with. lol

[agitpropagent9]

5. everybody now!

say it with me!

bill clinton and george h.w. bush (and jimmy carter, for that matter) are no longer politicians . i think the nation is stronger for the fact that our former presidents become statesman, and ambassadors of issues bigger than politics.

[barbaraann]

6. Wow! You have a high opinion of George H.W. Bush!

He's one of the most evil people who ever lived. Did you know that?

[iwantmycountryback]

8. By modern Republican standards

He's actually not all that evil. On an evil scale of 1 to 10, I wouldn't say he's a 10, just in the middle somewhere.

[Zhade]

14. Check the body count, though.

NT!

[jdj]

24. not talking about what you know.

talking about the stuff that the papers won't print.

He is one despicable human being. The only person in this country who doesn't remember what they were doing when JFK was killed, and he was in Dallas.

Hmmm

[Name removed]

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[barbaraann]

32. Oh, yes he is.

Read this book (online):

http://tarpley.net/bushb.htm

[Bono71]

33. Not all of our political enemies are evil. The world isn't that

black and white.

Each side puts out books claiming the other side is evil...Jimmy Carter had books like that written about him (and Jimmy might be the only politician in human history destined for sainthood).

[barbaraann]

36. You can't be serious.

You believe that HW and Jimmy Carter are in the same league???

The bad things written about HW are TRUE and practically all of the bad things written about Jimmy Carter are FALSE.

[Bono71]

39. Never said they were in the same league, Francis. n/t

[barbaraann]

40. Why are you defending George H.W. Bush?

n/t

[Bono71]

41. Not "defending" him...I just don't like to label people as "pure

evil"...this doesn't mean I agreed with his policies (the only one I remember agreeing with was his pro-choice stance, which he later changed).

I don't think he is evil...I voted for Dukakis and Clinton...but that doesn't make me think Sr is evil...hell, I'd take Sr over Jr any day of the week.

I guess I am more defending Big Dog's appearance with him.

[barbaraann]

48. Pure evil.

For example:

Bush's last controversial act in office was his pardon of six former government employees implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal on December 24, 1992, most prominently former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and former US Ambassador to Honduras and to the United Nations and current US Ambassador to Iraq, John Negroponte. Weinberger had been scheduled to stand trial on January 5, 1993 for lying to Congress regarding his knowledge of arms sales to Iran and concealing 1700 pages of his personal diary detailing discussions with other officials about the arms sales. As Weinberger's private notes contained references to Bush's endorsement of the secret shipments to Iran, some believe that Bush's pardon was an effort to prevent an order for Bush to appear before a grand jury or possibly to avoid an indictment. Weinberger's indictment stated that Weinberger's notes contradicted Bush's assertions that he had only peripheral knowledge of the arms for hostages deal. Lawrence Walsh, the Independent Counsel assigned to the case, charged that "the Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed." Walsh likened the pardons to President Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre. Bush responded that the Walsh probe constituted an attempt to criminalize a policy dispute between the legislative and executive branches. In addition to Weinberger, Bush pardoned Duane R. Clarridge, Clair E. George, Robert C. McFarlane, Elliott Abrams, and Alan G. Fiers Jr., all of whom had been indicted and/or convicted of charges by the Independent Counsel.

That's from Wikipedia.

[SomewhereOutThere424]

42. I wouldn't call it defending...

You know...there's always something sneaky and shady going on, but I personally think there's bigger and better battles than to knock a man who really doesn't have too much influence to do the evils he once did anymore.

Yeah, I know that he wasn't a good man. I like Clinton, but I also know he did plenty of bad things too (besides those stupid meaningless scandals, yes I had gripes with him that could be on the same lines of what some republicans do, also unwritten in most major headlines of their time). It doesn't mean by a long shot I'm going to discredit the good Clinton does though, and I think anyone who'd be at a republican forum knocking everything Clinton tries to do is making their point just as diluted. True, Clinton isn't as bad as bush senior was nor am I defending senior. I just think the more precise the bigger battles are waged and the less the little tidbits thrown to us just to see us react are reacted to, the more influence we'll have in trying to show the world what true evil is.

[barbaraann]

49. You really need to do some reading, or at least skimming.

tarpley.net - Read the Bush book. It's all there.

[agitpropagent9]

43. LOL!

>> "He's one of the most evil people who ever lived."

hyperbole, much?

[barbaraann]

50. You think it's funny?

http://bushbodycount.com/list.php?catid=17&blogid=2

[agitpropagent9]

52. of course i don't think

that george h.w. bush's sins against humanity are funny. but i do find funny the hyperbolic statement that he's one of the most evil men who's ever lived. i mean, *ever*?

that's just silly.

i could name a dozen more evil than him, just in the last century. and that doesn't begin to skim the surface of history.

[saracat]

7. Yeah, Right.

And Bill Clinton isn't politicking to get the UN spot. Sure, and Elder is just a nice guy helping disaster victims. Anything you say. Dream on.

[arikara]

10. Poppy is politicking to raise more money

for the coffers of Carlyle. The tsunami is a "great opportunity" for them to sell helicopters and other goodies under the pretext of assisting with the relief effort.

[earth mom]

44. You said it! Clinton has gone over to the other side no doubt about it.

And WHY are * Sr and Clinton helping the tsunami victims? Could it be because they want to control all those millions of dollars? For what purpose? It's all looking REALLY shady to me.

[zann725]

11. Bullcrap! GHWB still gets Daily Intelligence Reports EVERY DAY

He's essentially AT LEAST a functioning "shadow president"...and I am NOT the only one to say that.

I will not comment on Clinton's rather obvious motivations...but the present Tsunami Relief ad featuring Poppy and Clinton makes me SOOOO nauseaus every time it comes on...the only way I can settle my stomach is to hit the channel changer quickly.

And I don't buy that "statesman" crap...sorry.

I'd welcome you as a Newbie...but feel oddly uncomfortable with your comments (in combination with your 'low post status')...and will let it go at that.

[Zhade]

15. George H.W. Bush should be in a federal prison for treason.

No fan that I am of some of Carter's and Clinton's policies, they don't belong in the same light as him. The man had a real flair for betraying the Constitution and murdering third-world peoples en masse.

[Benhurst]

23. Yeah. The New World Order and fascism are far more important

than politics or old-fashioned patriotism.

[Voltaire99]

9. More like he is handcuffed to his own ambition.

Clinton might be leading the Democratic Party against Bushism right now. He might be leading a citizen's movement in defense of the nation's traditions and institutions.

But no. Sure, he's helping raise money for tsunami victims--I respect that.

But in other respects he is cowardly and self-serving. He has been next to useless in helping resist Bushism, and appearing with the current dictator's father only helps to confer legitimacy on that clan while blunting criticism.

Sad.

[prayin4rain]

47. And his wife's. n/t

[Dirk39]

12. Clinton takes everything...

inflating his giant narcistic super-ego.
The only reason I prefer him to Bush is that his narcistic disorder secures him from becoming a puritan fascist just like Bush.
Even Bush didn't kill other people and bomb other nations because of his dick.

And to see both of them together to make another plea for tsunami victims....
I guess no human being in the history of the world has written so many useless meaningless pages about HIS O W N life, as Mr. neoliberal Clinton. And then there was illiterate Mr. Bush.

Jesus, I need a way out of here, the fools have taken over the asylum!

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[jdj]

25. have you forgotten Gulf war 1?

And his betrayal of the Shia?

[Zhade]

13. By all rights, Poppy should be doing this via satellite - FROM PRISON.

That's all I have to say.

[AlCzervik]

16. The two of them are living out one of Robert Smigles TV funhouse toons

[myrna minx]

29. Or the Simpsons-did Clinton trade Dole for Bu$h?

"We're simply exchanging long strand proteins... if you know a better way we'd like to hear it."

[Judi Lynn]

17. Superbowl, yet. I thought George H. W. Bush's passion was baseball.

That, and canned hunts. Add hanging out with corrupt right-wing deposed Latin American assho##s, like the corruption-impeached, peasant-killing Carlos Andres Pérez of Venezuela, or another absurd corrupt pal, the former pResident of Argentina, Carlos Menem.

[Disturbed]

18. B. Clinton

is setting up his wife to run for Pres. in 2007. It has been in the works for over a year. There have been other public situations where the Bush and Clinton factions have been seen in chummy situations. It is a mmove to garner moderate Rethug votes. Hillary is moving to the center and is Rethug lite. Watch her move more to the right as the years pass.

[jdj]

26. I don't think so.

It wouldn't be strategic, she'd bring more repukes to the polls than Jesus did this year, and she knows this better than anyone.

[dbt]

19. Clinton is beginning to bother me!

He's getting awfully close to a nest of pit vipers lately--and apparently remembers none of what every Arkie learns by the age of three: don't play with snakes; they will bite you!

:freak:
dbt

[cthrumatrix]

20. wake up.... they are part of the global elite - there are no party's in

the global elite -- they decide what happens and are on the same team.

They know the reasons for 911, Iraq, Iran, the $ crash ....and it's not very good for the US.

Wake up people

[jdj]

27. I think you are right, and I think the same is true of Kerry unfortunately

Clinton is so getting on my nerves.

[cthrumatrix]

46. all these guys are owned...be serious

[OldLeftieLawyer]

34. Me, too

I hate seeing the Big Dog looking so shopworn and feeble, joined at the hip to that old bitch, GHWB. Why is he doing this, I wonder? It's demeaning.

[The Flaming Red Head]

21. Where's Carter? Probably building them the new homes himself. nt

[leesa]

22. Are they dating?

[jdj]

28. ewwwwwwww!

yucky.

[Bono71]

30. THINK ABOUT IT...Hillary making centrist comments, Clinton going

to the Super Bowl with a relatively moderate Republican...

Hillary is running in 2008 and she is trying to get to the center...DUH!!

[KoKo]

35. It's the newest Dem "Strategy!" ...Clinton/Poppy join hands

to confuse the RW..Fundie Repugs thereby creating the "New Dem/Repug Coalition for the 21st Century."

Looking forward to 2008 the "21st Century Coalition runs Hillary with Poppy as VP.
(who cares if he's old...Cheney was supposed to be dead by now).

[DoveTurnedHawk]

Good for Them, It's a Good Cause

The vitriol and negativity in this thread is disheartening.

DTH

[JI7]

38. agree

notice Clinton usually hangs out with Republicans when it involves working on a good cause for the people. just like he did with Bob Dole on helping set up scholarship funds for the kids who lost parents on 9/11.

but some people seem to totally ignore the part about helping the tsunami victims, even though that's the purpose of the thing , and just look to the part of them attending together and go off on him.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

37. Dupe Message (eom)

[Generator]

45. Cough..cough..

The RED CROSS said they have enough funds.

http://www.redcross.org/pressrelease/0,1077,0_314_4043,00.html

They've got a billion plus now.

Not that more money isn't always needed for the next disaster and other countries.

So I guess Bill just likes the old Bush for company. Politics and appeasers of the destruction of America make strange bedfellows.

[superconnected]

51. Next Clinton will be on the board at carlyle

[VegasWolf]

53. LOL. Point well taken! n/t