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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 11:23 PM
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Blizzards paralyse Algerian city (BBC)
Algiers and a third of Algeria are snowbound. Tunisia too. Global warming effects???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4213129.stm
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 11:29 PM
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1. I am looking at eight foot drifts outside my window and then at
pictures of Algers with children in ankle deep snow. I guess that it is all relative.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:02 AM
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7. Winds and drifts
Strong winds are mentioned in the article. It could well be that mountain roads have been closed because of drifts. The pictures don't tell that part of the story.

But of course you're right that it's relative. In this country, when it snows in southern areas that don't normally get snow, a very few inches bring cities to a standstill.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 11:30 PM
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2. Well, how weird is that?
Price of bread has doubled in some places. There was a 24 year old who said he had never seen snow.

Excerpt:
Gas riots

Several areas in the north-east, including the Mediterranean port oil city of Skikda, were cut off after 36 hours of snow and strong winds.

Algerians have been warned not to go outside unless necessary

Our correspondent says that the snow has cut off roads and electricity supplies in mountainous regions.

Most of the 10 fatalities have been caused by traffic accidents.

The cold snap has also increased opposition to recent gas price hikes, which has seen several riots, correspondents say.

Riots have been reported in four Algerian towns after the price of butane gas, a vital fuel for cooking and heating homes, was raised to 200 dinars ($2.77) per canister from 170 dinars.

Now there is a shortage of gas in some areas, while the price of bread has doubled in places.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 11:43 PM
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3. Global Warming affect the answer is YES.
Remember your theory on HOW the seasons change. The onset of Winter is caused by the earth tinting the northern hemisphere away from the sun. Thus sunlight has more atmosphere to go through to hit the earth surface and warm up the earth. The more carbon in the air the more likely that the light will be deflected back into space. Thus causing increase coldness IN WINTER (During Summer with Sunlight coming more directly onto the earth, less light gets blocked from hitting the earth by the Carbon dioxide monocles while those same molecules keep more heat inside the earth heating up the earth.

In simple terms, expect longer hotter Summers, with falls and springs about the same length as today's falls and springs (through fall starting later and spring earlier in the year) with a shorter but colder winter. You may end up with a two month winter (December till February 1st), a spring of February, March and April. A summer of May, June, July, August and September, with a fall of October, November and part of December.

Global Warming is a more complex system than of just a general warming of each season.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:14 AM
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5. No hard feelings, but your explanations aren't right
Winter is not caused by the Earth tilting the northern hemisphere away from the sun. Earth's axis of rotation is stable and fixed, always pointing approximately at Polaris, the north star. Looked at from the side, this axis is tilted about 23 degrees from perpendicular to the plane of Earth's orbit around the sun. As the planet swings around the sun and we (north) head toward summer, the lean of the axis points more toward the sun, which means the top half (north) progressively receives more sunlight per day. In other words, the days grow longer. A longer day means more total heat and light absorbed. This is the principal effect driving seasonal temperature changes. The same effect when we're on the opposite side of the orbit produces southern summer and northern winter.

Carbon dioxide in the air is relatively transparent to visible light, but less so to infrared light. It will let sunlight stream down to the surface, but once that sunlight strikes the surface and is converted to heat, the energy radiates back into the atmosphere as infrared, where it is either absorbed or scattered by the carbon dioxide. The net effect is that thermal energy that would otherwise have escaped into space is retained in the atmosphere, making it warmer. This is the Greenhouse Effect.

There's an easy way to tell just how shaky the science is behind various global warming hypotheses, and that's all the heated yelling going on between people who think the sky is falling and people who think there's no price to pay for human-induced changes to the atmosphere. In simplest terms, if there was good science, people wouldn't be yelling at each other until their faces turn red. It would be like screaming over the time of tomorrow's sunrise or that there are nine major planets in the solar system. It's only when there are gaps in our knowledge that we substitute political opinion for scientific analysis.

Despite what partisans on either side tell you, no one knows what to expect if global warming proceeds. The best computer models (and they are not very good at all) predict that the poles will actually grow colder, while the tropics grow warmer. Middle latitudes will see shifts in precipitation, with some regions growing wetter, and others drier. It's also thought that cyclonic systems (the swirls of high and low pressure that drive mid-latitude weather) will be more energized, leading to stronger storms and more dynamic movements of the jet stream, although on nowhere near the scale Hollywood movies depict. No one can say, even on a subcontinental level, exactly which changes will affect which regions.

Weather is extraordinarily complex, involving interactions between the ocean, atmosphere, planet motions, and solar output. Climate (weather over large amounts of time) is another order of complexity higher. It's absurd how oversimplified it's made for the purposes of argument - pop science at its worst.

Is global warming real? Absolutely. Do we need to do something about it? Again, absolutely. But what?

No one knows. The best advice science has come up with so far is: when in doubt, play it conservative. CO2 limitation is a good start. Undoubtedly, there are other things (deforestation, albedo changes, arid land irrigation, etc., etc.) involved as well; we're going to have to figure them out one variable at a time.

Interested in how weather actually works? Check out this NOVA site.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elnino/anatomy/ and click on "Global Weather Machine"
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:33 AM
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6. I was trying to keep my explanation simple
Any you are right, winter is caused more by the reduction of sunlight than the length sunlight has to travel to hit the earth. My point was that the THEORY of global warming also includes more severe winters (But of shorter duration). The increase in Carbon Dioxide traps more and more heat inside the earth, that same "Blanket" also will keep more sunlight out. We are talking of very small numbers, but numbers that are significant given the tilt of the earth. My point was to show that weather is become more severe between the seasons at the same time Summer will get longer.
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KareBear Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:11 AM
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4. Wow... the world is crying for help and all we can do ...
is run around her circumference killing each other and fighting over resources. I wonder what future archaeologists of whatever species becomes dominant next will call us?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:05 AM
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8. Um, yea,...that is pretty weird. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:02 AM
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9. Not to worry bob, our Air Force will own the weather
soon

:evilgrin:
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