Kennedy says case for Iraq War was total fraud!!!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

A lie made up Texas!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030918/ap_on_go_co/kennedy_iraq&cid=512&ncid=1480

[proud patriot]

1. Be sure to rate this article it's at 4.75

Go get 'em Ted.....

[MnFats]

2. holy shit! read Ted's denunciation!

The Bush Administration is crumbling.
Every one of Kennedy's words is on the mark, by the way...

[Caution]

3. And the dems are starting to grow a backbone!

About time. Proud to have voted for Ted in the last two MA elections (since I've been able to vote).

[ElementaryPenguin]

11. Amen, C! And not a moment too soon!

BushCo is fucked!

[cprise]

17. This is very SAD

It is too late, and Europe and the rest of the world will remember the Democrtats' silence before the invasion. They dislike both parties, because neither one listened to what the world was saying.

[CWebster]

71. It's not like they listened to us either-

and we remember their silence too---especially when it comes to the ones who now ask us to support their bid for the presidency.

[snippy]

75. Agreed. But it may help prevent the Next Bush War.

[are_we_united_yet]

80. I will say

Ted did try to raise a ruckus about this. He wanted to know why we were rushing off to war if I can paraphrase his remarks.

[NNN0LHI]

4. Snips from story

BOSTON - The case for going to war against Iraq was a fraud "made up in Texas" to give Republicans a political boost, Sen. Edward Kennedy said Thursday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Kennedy also said the Bush administration has failed to account for nearly half of the $4 billion the war is costing each month. He said he believes much of the unaccounted-for money is being used to bribe foreign leaders to send in troops.

He called the Bush administration's current Iraq policy "adrift."

The Massachusetts Democrat expressed doubts about how serious a threat Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) posed to the United States in its battle against terrorism. He said administration officials relied on "distortion, misrepresentation, a selection of intelligence" to justify their case for war.

"There was no imminent threat. This was made up in Texas, announced in January to the Republican leadership that war was going to take place and was going to be good politically. This whole thing was a fraud," Kennedy said.

more

[Carmerian]

5. All I can say at this point is....

wow!

[bigluckyfeet]

72. I Have Never Seen

a Story at Yahoo rated over 2000 votes.

[calimary]

87. Yeah, but boy, the Ted Kennedy slams are VICIOUS!!

Ouch-ez-vous! And yeah, they go right back to Chappaquiddick... Pretty sickening. Doesn't disguise the fact that ol' Ted is correct. Was correct. Is still correct.

We all were. And considering the continuing death toll and the hemmorhaging of money on this stupid, useless, reckless war, it's a total bitch to be correct. It doesn't get rid of the anguish to be able to say "I told you so."

[goforit]

6. WOW!!!........"A total FRAUD!!!".................Way to go Senator!!!!

Hmmmmm.........

Wait till they find out that 911 was not only a huge Fraud,
but the highest of high crimes and misdemeanor!!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

12. Which is fucking is!!! IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!

ARREST!!!

[kodi]

64. damn skippy. i want to see that SOB duck walked out of the oval office

impeached, convicted, tried for treason, convicted and incarceration at levenworth for the rest of his sorry ass life.

if george walker bush had been a paid agent of an enemy foreign power he could not have damaged this nation more.

[hang a left]

20. here a drip, there a drip, everywhere a drip drip

[CheshireCat]

7. Thank you Teddy

Good to see that your spine is intact and your words are clear. Now just keep saying it!!!

A lie made up Texas!!
A lie made up Texas!!
A lie made up Texas!!
A lie made up Texas!!
A lie made up Texas!!
A lie made up Texas!!

[Manix]

8. Giv' em hell Ted!!

It is about time the gloves come off!!

[Selwynn]

9. I'm glad dems are starting to stand up, but...

I'm not sure I can go as far as to say I am busting with pride. It's really not to difficult to wait until there's a pole out that says the wrong point of view is starting to be less popular, and THEN start opening your mouth about the right point of view.

The time to point out that the boat has a leak is not after it sinks when everyone agrees that indeed the boat does have a leak. The time to point out that the boat has a link is the moment you see it, EVEN if other people don't see it yet.

The thing that bothers me is that congressional democrats could have, I believed done a lot more for the country and the party if they had stood up sooner against things they knew to be wrong. But in the end, they wouldn't do it, becasue it might cost them political captial.

I understnad that this is the way the game is played. And I understand that if Dems wrecklessly attacked a president with a 95% approval rating that could be seen as foolish politics -- maybe. But its certainly disappointing that this is true, and its bad for the country. Oh how desparately I long for representatives that really represent me! People who will stand up for what they know to be right even if they are the only one to do it -- kind of like Barbara Lee for example. I'm so appreciative of people who will call a spade a spade even if it costs them reelection. In this case it wouldn't have cost dems anything. And in fact, we would have come out looking even better as the American public slowly begins to see that we were right all along.

Anyway... I'm just rambling now.. I'm happy democrats are starting to speak out. It was long overdue, and congressional democrats should be ashamed of that fact. But I guess I can get over the fact that their a little late to the party and just embrace the fact that they showed up at all.

[NNN0LHI]

14. And we should all vote for a third party now right? Right

Give me a fucking break.

Don

[Selwynn]

53. Wow ... grow up.

I don't need to give you a "fucking break" when I post reasonably thought out "opinion" on a disucssion forum. Or would you perfer if only the people you personally agree with were allowed to post?

Is this a place for people to discuss how the democratic party can be most successful or is it a place for a select few to hold the "popular" opinions and everyone else to be a "yes man?"

I think I'll take that "break" now...

[karlschneider]

29. Don't forget the Dem congresspeople were lied to just as we were.

Not that I excuse them, but Shrub & cabal fooled a LOT of people. Present company excepted of course. :D

[Catt03]

78. Nice post

I wish the same....that we had representatives that would represent and not be afraid of the votes they may offend.

I am proud of the Democratic base, which is all of us, for taking action. I have worked my butt off calling, writing letters, emails, protests and going to congressional offices to be heard. I know many of you have done the same. And...I truly believe we made a difference.

[dbt]

10. 'Fraud' is a good start, but

When will somebody use the L-word? As in,

"It was a LIE!"

:evilgrin:
dbt

[ElementaryPenguin]

15. Wholesale TREASON - a brutal WAR CRIME - that's what it was!!

AND Fraud!!!

[lindashaw]

13. At last, a big gun is on our side! Go, Ted!

[ninkasi]

16. Ted's right...

the whole miserable series of lies was something concocted by the Bush gang to do something they had planned to do even before the fraud was installed in the WH. They are all a bunch of thugs, and I can't wait til a Dem president is not only elected, but takes office.

The 2004 elections are a chance to restore some measure of sanity to our country, and to start trying to unravel the massive amounts of damage neocons have done. I'm so glad Sen Kennedy is speaking out.

[helleborient]

18. One of the true heroes in American government...

For standing up for peace and a career seeking full access to health care for all Americans - Thank you Senator Kennedy!!!

[NNN0LHI]

19. Senator Kennedy knows something he is not talking about yet

Or he would have never said this. And Bush knows it too. Put a fork in him. He is done.

Don

[Maeve]

22. I do hope you're right about that!

Or, as has been typed before--From your mouse to God's monitor!

[NNN0LHI]

25. There is a "deep throat". Hint from the story. Maybe White?

>>>"There was no imminent threat. This was made up in Texas, announced in January to the Republican leadership that war was going to take place and was going to be good politically. This whole thing was a fraud," Kennedy said.<<<

[ElementaryPenguin]

23. I sure as hell hope you're right!

And I think you just might be.

[Beetwasher]

24. I think you're right. There's A LOT more going on than meets the eye

They've got the goods on something big time and I think it has to do with Cheney...

[HereSince1628]

76. I agree, professional politicians are craft careful statements

Fraud is strong language. The reference to Texas is curious, because it could have been "in the Whitehouse"

Mr. Kennedy, please have yer DU agent give us a clue...

[dflprincess]

94. I thought it was interesting too

and wondered what else is on Teddy's mind when he looks at the thugs running Bushco.

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Go, Teddy GO!!

I'm proud to say my first vote for president was for Teddy Kennedy in the democratic primary.

[whirlygigspin]

27. Why hasn't CNN reported this?

get the news out.

[librechik]

30. hey, there's a hurricane going on! No time for other news today

and tomorrow it will be OLD news, so it won't get covered tomorrow.

I can just hear all the news producers in the Whorebelt clacking their prayerbeads and prauing for 100 mile an hour rain!

[leesa]

101. Is that hurricane on the Rove payroll too?

[ElementaryPenguin]

31. They've probably converted into the hurricane channel 24/7!

eom

[kalazh]

26. Thanks God

that there is someone who is brave to tell us the truth.

[InkAddict]

90. Jim Cantori? n/t

[Tracer]

28. Can't Account For the Money, eh?

And yet, we're supposed to throw 87 billion dollars more into this shithole?

[PartyPooper]

32. Oh, Ted! We told you it was a fraud last year!

You shoulda' listened to us back then! Now, look at the fine mess you got us all in!

:-(

[GreenArrow]

35. ted voted against it

,

[Zero Gravitas]

33. Impeach Bush Now

Then try him for treason.

[Flying_Pig]

34. Wow! I was just lamenting this morning, that no one was REALLY

telling it like it is (thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=360333).

I spoke to soon!! Go Teddy!!

[Jackhammer Jesus]

36. Not good for Bushy.

I especially like this part:

Kennedy said a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office showed that only about $2.5 billion of the $4 billion being spent monthly on the war can be accounted for by the Bush administration.

"My belief is this money is being shuffled all around to these political leaders in all parts of the world, bribing them to send in troops," he said.

Even more reason for people to be pissed off about the $87 billion - our money's being spent to bribe other countries to send troops so it doesn't look like we're acting unilaterally?

This isn't getting news coverage it deserves, and that's got me annoyed to the point of being in pain.

:mad::grr::mad:

[Flying_Pig]

38. There's blood in the water.......

BushCo is going to go down hard and fast from here. It's what we've been waiting for....Let the fun begin!!!

:evilgrin:

[Sliverofhope]

97. Indeed- this charge is the most interesting

as it's new, at least to us here. He must have something to back it up with, or he's just being foolish. Interesting.

[DoYouEverWonder]

37. Wow

Kennedy publicly accused W of fraud? This is major. A US Senator does not publicly accuse the POTUS of fraud, unless he is prepared to back up such serious charges. This really is the beginning of the end. Alleluia!

[Unknown Known]

39. It's all about Texas oil money

And Kennedy should know - they helped kill his brother.

[Flying_Pig]

41. And Cheney let the oil crowd know what they were planning...

in his "secret" energy panel meetings. No wonder he's fighting so hard to keep the notes from those meetings from going public...

[ET Awful]

40. Kennedy is too shrewd a politician to say this without proof . . .

He's DEFINITELY got more info he hasn't gone public with.

He's been too damn good at covering his ass over the years to bring up something without substantiation now.

[Dr Fate]

84. yes- I hope everyone else picks up on that or reads your post...

...great point...

[reprobate]

42. I hope he's hired extra bodyguards.

Repugs do not take kindly to being shown to be crooks.

I can just see captain codpiece's next quote: "I am not a crook!"

Seems I heard that one somewhere before.

[Cooley Hurd]

43. "Wow" is right!

"A lie made up Texas." That's a keeper of a slogan!

[trapper914]

44. I haven't listened to the RWers on radio today...

...how long did it take for them to dismiss this by saying, "Chappaquiddick?"

[Elidor]

45. Down to 3.66

The freeper horde has descended on the ranking buttons.

[Braden]

46. Doing this voter proud Sen. Kennedy!

Its about time the shit his the proverbial fan. If this doesn't make the front page of your local rag tomorrow you are hereby obligated to go ballistic.

[maggrwaggr]

47. GO De-FREEp These RATINGS!

It's down to a 3.66!!

[maggrwaggr]

48. Why'd he pick "hurricane holiday" to come out with this???

Idiot. there's nothing on the news but the fucking hurricane. It's kinda drowning him out.

And NOW he says this? Where's he been the last year???

Another Dem asleep at the wheel.

[amazona]

49. whoo hoo, preach it, ted!!!! NT

.

[msmcghee]

50. It's gratifying to see our dem leadership . .

. . move so swiftly to get out in front of the totally pissed off dem base. At least we know they didn't expire after approving *Bush's marching orders.

Irony off. :mad:

[Democat]

51. Something is going on behind the scenes

Kennedy has been around way too long to make these statements without knowing a lot more than the rest of us.

Whatever is happening, Bush wants Cheney to be the fall guy.

[janekat]

52. Check out THIS post from an ex-Bush voter

Alot of us are neither Democrats or Limbaugh Republicans. We are people who want to think an issue out for ourselves. I hate the way this president lies to us and is in the business interests pocket. He is the president for all of us - including this MODERATE REPUBLICAN WHO WILL VOTE DEMOCRATIC NEXT ELECTION IF THE CHOICE IS GEORGE W.



IM A REPUBLICAN: BUSH MESSED UP

I THINK HE'S A GOOD MAN, BUT HE'S NOT UP TO THE JOB OF PRESIDENT.
I'M STAYING HOME NEXT ELECTION DAY.

[truthisfreedom]

54. make up your mind... are you voting DEM or staying home? n/m

[Selwynn]

55. I think he/she did...

...when he/she said "I'm staying home"

Or did I mis-read something :D

[janekat]

56. It's 2 separate posts, from 2 different people -

didn't post that very well - sorry!

[Selwynn]

57. Ah... so...

I am just a big idiot then. :D HEE!

[FlemingsGhost]

61. A "good man" does not lie in order to achieve his goals.

Let me remind all the recently "enlightened" former Bush loyalists: No one died when Clinton was caught lying... And he was impeached.

Now, what are you going to do about Gee-Dub? Stay home next election?

Coward.

[smallprint]

58. NBC Nightly News quotes Kennedy

very strong-- quoted "lie made in Texas", plus the $4 billion remark

[I Lean Left]

92. The $4billion remark is the key.

The other stuff can sound like partisan rancor. But every American will want to know where the hell that money is disappearing to.

If this were a Latin American country, we would be sniffing around for Swiss bank accounts!

[nomaco-10]

59. Brett Hume and friends on Faux trashing Kennedy and Hillary now.

[David Zephyr]

60. Ted Kennedy is the Man of the Hour!

Wow! Wow! Wow! Wow! Wow!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[ElementaryPenguin]

62. He truly is!

Kick this mother!

[Nottingham]

63. 4 Billion a day unaccountable! Bribes!!

Ya could it Be Bush pocketing the money! :bounce:
How would we know???

[Nottingham]

65. Ted remembers he was suppose to fly with Wellstone that day

He has the ammunition now he is fighting Back

:bounce:

[smallprint]

67. is that true? please confirm

[dflprincess]

81. It's never been confirmed or denied

Kennedy and Wellstone were suppose to campaign togther in the Twin Cities area the moring of the crash. They were scheduled to attend a rally in Duluth that evening. As you know, Wellstone changed his plans to attend a funeral. Kennedy stayed in the metro and followed the original schedule. They planned to meet in Duluth for the rally.

It does stand to reason that, if they had stuck to the original plan, they would have flown north together.

[dArKeR]

66. Kennedy calls case for war a ‘fraud’ - MSGOP

The case for going to war against Iraq was a fraud “made up in Texas” to give Republicans a political boost, Sen. Edward Kennedy said Thursday.

http://msnbc.com/news/968712.asp?0cv=CB10

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

68. down to 3.66

vote

[TennesseeWalker]

69. KICK

I really, really like Ted...I've forgiven him for challenging Carter....

[David Zephyr]

70. Help DeFreep the Yahoo Poll On This Story.

And thanks E.P. for breaking this BIG Story here!

Defreep the poll at the bottom of the yahoo page, folks and newbies. Vote 5 (highest). Thanks

:kick:

[hang a left]

73. a kick for teddy boy

[DemoTex]

74. Reminiscent of Ted's anti-war speech after Ap Bai ("Hamburger Hill")

The anti-war fire was there in 1969, but so were other problems for Ted. He was still able to pivot the anti-war movement with his Senate speech after the "Hamburger Hill" waste in the A Shau Valley. Can he do it again?

[Tatiana]

77. Gawd I love Teddy!!!!!!!!!

As the other posters have alluded to, Teddy knows a lot more than he is letting on. I smell scandal... Maybe we ARE the "Angry Left." Lord knows we have every right to be.

Oh... and about the case for going to war against Iraq being a fraud "made up in Texas" -- that's gotta be our new slogan!

[UpInArms]

79. UPDATE GOP REMARKS - Kennedy's 'Texas' remark stirs GOP reaction

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/18/kennedy.iraq/

"The senator's comments reflect the tired old soft-on-defense attitude of the Democratic Party," the Republican official told CNN, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"And the American people are thankful for a strong and decisive leader in President Bush who isn't afraid to make tough decisions."

[symbolman]

82. The Repigs

are always so proud of their statements, "the Republican official told CNN, speaking on condition of anonymity."

Chickenhawk chickenshits and frauds, all of them...

GO TED!

[Dr Fate]

86. No kidding- if his views are so popular, then why is his identity secret?

What a total coward- it's not like he said anything a puke has not spewed before...

[FauxNewsBlues]

89. What a tool

Anonymous official? Teddy Kennedy accuses the administration of laundering 40% of the Iraq money in bribes, and you can only anonymously attack him on that?

It must be true then.

[Dr Fate]

91. Combine the point made in post #49 and your point...

An "anonymous" official? The notion that Kennedy is no lightweight- and would not be going out on a limb if he could not back this up...

Something "big" is going to happen, one way or another...

[Barrett808]

96. If they have to pull out the old "weak on defense" chestnut

The Republicans are really reaching.

In spite of the headline, the story only has these two sentences of "GOP reaction." The rest is all Kennedy.

<Mr. Burns voice/>Excellent.

[Dr Fate]

83. It's the best thing I've read,probably all year- amazing...

Id love to hear more of the candidates give Bush this kind of hell too...Kennedy is no "spineless DEM"!!

God bless this man for telling it like it is!

[ozone_man]

85. One of the Massachusetts Senators has got some guts.

It's a little easier to make a stand like this, since he voted against the war in Iraq. I wish Kerry had.

[Dr Fate]

88. DEMS are speak out -this is GREAT!

The larger strategic point is that DEMS need to stand up to Bush...

it's what the base wants, and they are going to have to do it to defeat him- I predict we will see more of this from all the candidates..

[InkAddict]

93. One Crisp Clear Shout

can start an avalanche. Even at this late day, it's wonderful to hear a "gutsy" (in more ways than one) Senator speak what we've all known. Enough is enough, can't we just lock WhistleAss in the executive bathroom for a good long "crapper" while we mend our "Ways". The "Means" are tapped out on bribes and fascist profits of war courtesy of Selected and his souless VP. He must have recollected the colonial patriots. HERE, HERE - AYE SENATOR KENNEDY and Paul Revere!

:toast:

[Barrett808]

95. My fax to Senator Kennedy

The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy
United States Senate
317 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-2101

Dear Senator Kennedy,

I can only say thank you for finally saying what we've all been thinking for the last year: Bush's war is a fraud. It is Wag the Dog on the largest possible scale.

I trust you will join with the 66% of Americans who oppose Bush's request for another $87 billion -- this is just throwing good money after bad. The counterinsurgency war in Iraq is unwinnable, and the whole mess needs to be handed over the UN immediately.

Thank you again for having the courage to say the emperor has no clothes,

<signed>

[Solly Mack]

98. well, duh

I'm not sure which is worse...

that our elected representatives are slow on the uptake..or that people vote for those who are slow on the uptake...(myself included)

I'm sorry...but it was a fraud before, it was a fraud during and it's still a fraud....how can anyone say they didn't know?

Don't insult my intelligence by pretending this is some shattering newsflash news... it's bad enough that republicans attempt to insult our intelligence.

Yeah, yeah...it's election "strategy"...I know the drill..however, that "election strategy" has gotten innocent people killed...as well as US soldiers.


I'm just so disgusted with "all" this...Sometimes I feel like those afraid to speak out before the invasion of Iraq are just jumping on some bandwagon to get elected or re-elected...and it disgust me.

Yeah, Bush lied...but he was lying long before they deployed troops to Iraq....

I'm not saying Kennedy, per se, was afraid to speak out...I'm just saying..well..I'm just disgusted. I'm tired of the death. I'm tired of the destruction and I'm sick of other people's pain being used as a platform.

It's bad night for this military wife.

[peacetalksforall]

105. I love Kennedy....but

though he didn't give Bush the vote on Iraq...and he spoke out at the time (somewhat)...he is one of all the Dem congresspeople who started trembling in fear over patriotism. The cabal thought that patriotism was going to carry them and those Dems weren't sure they were wrong. The majority of Dems cowered in the corner and spoke little bitty sentences about making sure we were justified in going in. WELL, I WANT TO KNOW - if we knew it was a pretense for corporations - a crock...then why couldn't congresspeople? God bless Wellstone, Kennedy, Byrd and all the others who did not give their vote-blessing to the cabal's agenda. Dems have been weak in their position...especially Clinton, Shirmer, Kerry, Gebhardt, Edwards and more. I resent that they are only going to get on the bandwagon NOW.

I want an accounting of the meeting that the White House had with Senate and Congress Dems and what was said to them that convinced them that they could vote to kill. I want to know what proof they were given? I want to know who spoke out in those meetings. I want to know why they were afraid of votes when they HAD to know that it was a crock. Everyone around the world could see through the plan - except those leaders who were paid off.

So did the Kennedy=Byrd people ever meet with the Clinton-Shirmer-Gebhardt-Dashle groups to bless each other?

Wellstone First vote in the Senate = against Iraq War 1
Wellstone Last vote in the Senate = against Iraq War 2

[reprobate]

99. Betcha it's the energy papers that cheney won't turn over.

I've had the feeling that bush's handlers have been growing quite disenchanted with him lately.

I'd bet that someone in the white house was following orders and smuggled the papers out to Kennedy with the purpose of discrediting bush and his administration.

Looks like Kennedy has his own 'deep throat'.

This has to mean that bush has been targeted for destruction.

[frank frankly]

103. it has to be the energy papers

Wait until that map of Iraq divided into hamlets for Oil Companies hits the front pages!

I am still waiting for the headlines to catch up!!

[maggrwaggr]

104. I've always figured the Iraq invasion was mentioned in the energy papers

in that "we're gonna go get Iraq's oil".

And that's why he's keeping them so tightly locked.

This whole thing has an unusual coincidence in timing with the papers inevitably being revealed

[bvar22]

100. Bumper Stickers and T-Shirts

george bush*
---A FRAUD made up in Texas!

[TennesseeWalker]

102. KICK

I think we need to keep talking about this. I want to know more.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

106. KICK! I'm flying to Houston on business wearing my FUCKBUSH shirt.

I mix audio for singers who keep performing 'America the Beautiful' even though they know about the BushNazi's. They usually travel seperately but not tomorrow. I'm gonna have a talk with them about being the Dixie Chicks instead of Britney Spears now.

[Dookus]

107. This thread...

has been continued in another. Sorry if I'm interrupting any mini-threads in progress. You can continue the discussion at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=122220&mesg_id=122220

Thanks a lot!

Dookus
DU Moderator