Ex-Marine Says Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction

[Rose Siding]

United Press International

A former U.S. Marine who participated in capturing ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated.

Ex-Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, of Lebanese descent, was quoted in the Saudi daily al-Medina Wednesday as saying Saddam was actually captured Friday, Dec. 12, 2003, and not the day after, as announced by the U.S. Army.

"I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said.

"We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said......MORE........

http://www.13wham.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=422B960A-26BA-4891-9E60-21C8818788D4

Public version of Saddam capture fiction:
http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=82739

[CottonBear]

1. See this thread for more information:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3245163#3245453

[liberal N proud]

2. Another piece of evidence. The Lies of the bu$h REGIME

Keep collecting the evidence for future reference!
The MSM may not report this but the blogs are gaining credibility and will one day rule the news over the media.

[rodeodance]

3. has this been picked by the msm???

[liberal N proud]

5. Doubt that they will ever touch it

They won't do anything that might look like they were not doing their job.

[Lizzie Borden]

72. Or that they aren't doing it today.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. It's a UPI piece.

I guess that sort of answers the question. I find one other TV station in NY that's picked it up. Google has the UPI piece as 4 hours old

[Pachamama]

84. It's all propaganda from this administration! What is real? Or the Truth?

:eyes:

I read this story and it doesn't surprise me...nothing, I mean nothing is beneath these people in their fabrication of the truth. The are liars and thieves and what I fear is where do they stop? Do they have any limits?

[TexasLawyer]

4. Wow! Shades of Jessica Lynch

"Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well," Abou Rabeh said. Abou Rabeh was interviewed in Lebanon.

I had the feeling that the story the US was telling was not right. For one matter, why would Saddam have been completely unguarded? I'll bet there is even more to the story that Mr. Rabeh doesn't know, e.g., that Saddam's whereabouts had been known by the US military longer than indicated. I hope the American people can see how they are being lied to.

[rodeodance]

6. lets do the media blaster on this one!!--but I forgot how to do it.

[TheFarseer]

8. They needed to emphasise that no one was supporting him

See no one was even guarding him, which means we were right to invade and take him out of power right?! RIGHT?!?! come on wave the flag!

[Julius Civitatus]

22. Don't forget the toppling of the statue of Saddam

That was another staged photo-op for US media consumption, with a cast of "extras" that kept appearing in every other photo-op:

[cornermouse]

39. Sort of like Florida, isn't it?

[peacebird]

24. Indeed - so many lies, so little outrage. Why?

What will it take to awaken the average american?

[HeeBGBz]

65. I suspect an individual assbite.

I bet most people won't be really motivated until they are seriously personally effected by some regime action. Like until it's YOUR kid that is tasered, or YOUR spouse that's either drafted or screwed by the lack of veteran care, or YOUR grandparents with no medical care, it won't move beyond marginal disapproval.

[purduejake]

27. Most will remain in denial. They are truly delusional.

Just like all the people who believe WMD were found. They like hearing he was caught in a hole, so that is what they will believe no matter what.

[rfranklin]

28. It's just TOO much work to deal with the lies and propaganda...

for the average American. It's much easier to buy into the "freedom on the march" crapola or just be cynical like the freepers and say "what the hell, let's drop a nuke on 'em!"

[okieinpain]

38. well then I hate to say it, but that would mean that professor campbell

is right and we are all part of the problem. if a person is presented the truth about things that are happening, and that person chooses to deny what is happening. then that person is just as guilty as the perpetrator

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. Interesting story, if true.

If it is right, there are several things wrong.

I just checked the casualty lists for Dec '03, and no Marines are listed. This could indicate the story is false, or it could mean something else.

The Marine killed is mentioned as being of Sudanese origin. It could be that non-citizen soldiers are not being included in the casualty lists -- something that has been speculated on other threads. A Sudanese immigrant, with no family in the states, he could be left off the lists and who would know? As with the innumerable Mexican, Guatemalan, Salvadoran, and other nationals who make up a significant portion of our armed forces. If there is no one who is going to object if they are ignored, why not ignore them?

Could this bring the US death toll up to the 2000+ rate suggested by those who are following this, comparing deaths to the overall casualty rate?

[TheFarseer]

10. Good catch

This opens up a whole 'nother can of worms. Everything we are being told is lies. Can they really keep it secret forever? or will it explode in their faces and make Watergate look as silly as memogate?

[MADem]

12. Maybe he was "other government official" not USMC

It's entirely possible. Often, when OSI or NCIS are doing an investigation, they put a civilian investigator in uniform, create fake personnel and payroll records, and shove them into a unit or command to do undercover work. Happens all the time....in fact, I spotted one once because the personnel file had the same handwriting at (supposedly) two separate commands. They got lazy and sloppy and in my eagle-eyed youth, I spotted the discrepancy. They had to shut down the investigation (it was a drugs case) because I pointed it out to my chain of command--they got a few arrests out of the evolution, but they probably would have gotten more, but they couldn't risk exposure of their undercover guy.

Hey, it was their fault--they did a shit job on the "backstory" of their operative, all I was doing was letting my chain know that they had a ringer in the muster report.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. A good possibility. And we know they don't count them, or

civilian contractors, either, when it comes to the total count. Apparently the Lebanese man who said this was also a foreign national, which is why he went back to Lebanon -- a good way to avoid being recalled to duty, as well. If he had died, would he have been listed?

Of course, I've come to the point that whenever the government says anything, I assume from the first that they are lying unless what they say is supported by at least two independent, and preferable foreign, sources.

[Kweli4Real]

15. Why would the pentagon announce the death of a marine,

when they didn't announce a battle. If they said, "G.I. Joe Marine died today", they might be asked how and where. It's easier to just expunge the story than be prepared to answer all the questions that may come from it.

[Name removed]

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[Trillo]

9. If true, our military leaders are frauds.

There's a lot of fraud from all sorts of leaders in America today.

[ClintonTyree]

36. The entire "war" was a fraud.............

from day one. bush's "we will only invade Iraq as a last resort" statement was fraudulent. They knew they were invading Iraq on September 11, 2001.
This entire administration is a fraud. Two stolen elections, secretive meetings that they will not discuss the agendas of, shadow governments, lies, lies, LIES! The whole damn thing is a lie!
This country's core has been demolished by these frauds. Sometimes I just get SOOOOO damn tired of it all, I really don't know if I can go on here anymore. I feel like fleeing to another country. A sane country, with a wise leader who actually carries out the will of the people in a transparent fashion. Not this shit, not this fraud.

[Bluebear]

11. "military production team fabricated film of Saddam's capture in a hole"

So the military has production teams to give us a little more 'drama' than exists? Hoo hah.

[Cooley Hurd]

17. The so-called "spider hole" was actually a deserted well...

I wonder if the same crew made up Jessica's Lynch's "rescue?"

[BrklynLiberal]

13. There is another, earlier thread which discusses this as well

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3245259

[franmarz]

14. We realize that our news is cleaned up--

there must be layers and layers of bureaucrats that sift all the out going news. The American public has realized that we are not getting the battlefield news as the Europeans are. There is nothing we can do for the next 4 years, so we just sit back and wait for better times to come.:-(

[nolabels]

26. Yea, we will sit back and take what ever think they can dish out to us

That will happen


http://www.lacarte.org/freedom/thought/evolution/

[Khaotic]

18. Military Production Teams

For those that didn't realize the military has many well trained videographers. They're good and they compete against one another each year in a couple different DoD award programs: http://events.dinfos.osd.mil/viap/

It's not top secret stuff or anything that the military hides.

They even send some off to Syracuse University for training.

One of the uses is to produce training videos that are sent out to numerous locations.

The Navy film crew goes out TAD to a lot of locations ... they're headquartered out of the Naval Media Center in D.C.

As for the Army, they have Mobile Public Affairs Detachments and a lot of soldiers that have been through Combat Camera Training.

There's no doubt that they had the equipment, the training, and the means to pull this off.

They don't produce and edit on meager equipment either.

Like most modern television stations, they use today's latest equipment. Some even shoot digital and edit on AVIDs.

Hell ... nowadays they could probably edit on location using a laptop and sat the footage to D.C. before it's uploaded to a server and made available to the networks.

Whether they made it happen that way remains to be seen, but they have the means.

No shocker ... they could have ligitimized the thing to themselves by underscoring how important it was to make Saddam out to be the rat that he really was.

That and the fact that Saddam was probably actually captured by other forces, maybe even bounty hunters, before being handed over to the Marines. No way would we want to admit to paying for Saddam, when we can show a heroic capture. The only thing missing was the theme music from Rambo.

[MnFats]

20. I am shocked, shocked that the Bush Administration...

...would fabricate or twist facts to suit its own deluded version of reality!!

What next!>!>!

[malaise]

40. You're not serious

about being shocked are you? I'll only shocked when they say something that's actually true but I'm not really expecting any surprises.

[MnFats]

58. nope. regular readers will testify that it was a bit of sarcasm...

....well, I suppose I COULD say I was shocked. But not surprised. These assholes have taken lying to unprecedented levels.

[Julius Civitatus]

21. The whole thing seemed scripted from the start. Look:

Actually, I don't want to brag about anything, but I KNEW the capture of Saddam was bullshit the day they reported it.

I remember all the broadcast news mentioning something very silly and unbelievable, like the narrative straight out of a movie:

When the soldiers assisted the man from the hole, he said, in English: "I am Saddam Hussein. I am the president of Iraq. I want to negotiate."

The soldiers replied: "President Bush sends his regards."

source:CNN - President Bush sends his regards

That was BULLSHIT. That smelled like bullshit from day one. No way that happened. It's too neat, too perfect, too movie-like, just like someone could have scripted it for the gullible press (someone named Karl).

[justiceischeap]

31. Plus, I'm pretty certain Hussein doesn't speak English (EOM)

[eridani]

61. How do you know that?

English is the rest of the world's favorite second language.

[KDLarsen]

106. The 60 minutes interview he did prior to the war was in Arab

.. though he was able to mutter some very sketchy sentences in English.

[Blue Belle]

59. I agree...

When I saw the same bullshit I felt like I was watching a bad Steven Segal movie. It was all very scripted...and poorly written at that. It all seemed too horribly convenient, and the jerk-offs over at FOX were practically giddy with self righteousness. The smugness practically oozed off the screen.

I would love to see this story picked up by the networks watch them tear into it with the same furor as they did back in the Watergate days - but this neutered press is too afraid to push the envelope anymore. Hell, this story will get buried under the Michael Jackson and Robert Blake trials... It's funny, everyone can screech about how obscene Janet Jackson's boob is, but no one wants to bring up the obscenities of the boob in the White House.

[tlcandie]

23. Wow and to think how many conspiracy theorists were

shunned when they didn't buy the wrap-up. Hats off to those who saw through the lies!!!

DU's conspiracy theorists are coming up all aces with this administration. :+

:grouphug:

[TexasLawyer]

35. Even paranoids have enemies, you know!

[Fleshdancer]

25. You know, for a group of people who seem to hate Hollywood.....

they're awfully good at putting on an expensive, "entertaining" production. What's next? Will we soon find out that Hussein's sons are still alive?

People are dying and they want to treat this war as one long infomercial to prop up an administration that serves no one but themselves. Infuckingcredible.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

37. They seem to like Hollywood violence OK...

it's Hollywood sex that gets their panties in a wad/boxers in a twist!

[Logiola]

54. ever since wag the dog

they have hated hollywood for showing the world it's tricks.. :D

[NYC Liberal]

67. Actually, they hate Hollywood violence...it's too fake.

They like REAL violence, so to satisfy their cravings, they start real wars.

A MOVIE? Pffffttt! Why make a movie when you can have the real thing?

[NYC]

56. Excellent description.

...they want to treat this war as one long infomercial to prop up an administration that serves no one but themselves.

[Bleacher Creature]

29. I hate using this analogy, but I can't think of another.

At what point does the SCLM stop acting like a battered spouse? How many times will they get used by the Bush Administration and then continue to let it happen again? Shrub has now used them to perpetuate the WMD lie, the Medicare prescription drug farce, the Social Security "crisis" and on and on and on.

It's sick -- and if someone can come up with a less-insulting analogy, please post it.

[jeffgad]

30. Ex-Marine Says Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction

http://www.wokr13.tv/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=422B960A-26BA-4891-9E60-21C8818788D4

[GOPFighter]

34. Did you notice the news item was distributed by UPI...

...which is owned by the Unification Church (like the Washington Times)!

[Obviousman]

32. I'm a little skeptical here

Can anyone confirm the death of a marine of sudanese origin around this time? it seems like something we'd be able to do. As much as I don't trust bush, i trust the saudis less.

[Gr8_Scott]

57. This came up from a search....

http://theneocon.blogspot.com/2005/03/ex-marine-alleges-saddam-story-was.html

Looks like a definite neocon site but surely someone here can do the same fact checking....

[zulchzulu]

33. I was just shocked that Saddam's capture in the hole wasn't true

But...hmmm...isn't the Lebanese marine a ...um... brown person? He must be lying, just like all those dark-skinned people do...hmmm...

Whoa...FOX NEWS IS ON AGAIN!

:kick: :nuke:

[saskatoon]

41. another in a long string of Bullshit

Just like pulling down the Statue. Will we ever wake up and question EVERY thing they(the media) put out. and no need to include the Bush bunch, we have all caught on to the crap they issue except the very naive and the ones who refuse to face the facts.

[thegreatsatan]

42. No Marines were involved in the capture of Saddam

http://icasualties.org/oif/prdDetails.aspx?hndRef=12-2003

Go look through the month of December, no Marines were killed because none were operating there. This "Marine" shows up in no DOD database, he doesn't show up in the Combat Action database. The units involved in the capture of Saddam were Army, not Marine Corps, thats why they have the US Flag on their uniforms, Marines do not.

Don't be suckered by bogus "news" stories.

[Columbia]

47. I checked the USMC database as well

No Nadim Abou Rabeh to be found.

[thegreatsatan]

48. that makes sense

Because he was never a Marine. In fact most Marine forces were not in country during December 03. They had been pulled out and were brought back in later in Jan 04. This guy doesn't show up in the Marine Corps Uniform Board for the CAR, which he would more than likely had recieved had he actually been in Iraq, but no luck there.

This story is a total fraud. Anyone who continues to fall for this crap is a mentaly challenged.

[Columbia]

49. Reminds me of that GI Joe hostage story

Lots of people fell for that one too.

[MojoXN]

87. Columbia...

What is the URL of the search tool that you used? I have several friends who were/are in the Corps. I think that it'd be interesting to see if they come up when doing a search like they should.

MojoXN

[Columbia]

90. Tools

Marines can use https://www.mol.usmc.mil

There is a search tool available for civilians on http://www.thefew.com

[MojoXN]

105. Well,

I've used this tool, and it does have some limitatations. It will find active members of the U.S. Marine Corps, but it appears to have difficulties with discharged members, or those who were killed in combat in Iraq. I know this because I was able to find a friend who just got to Iraq recently. I was not able to find a friend who was killed in Anbar province, nor was I able to find my cousin who spent eight years on active duty. While I agree that this story is most likely a fabrication, it is important to note that this resource locator is not universally applicable to ex-marines. Something to think about...

MojoXN

[Columbia]

108. It does have its limits

The official Marine Corps one is a lot better and lists those who are in IRR as this "Marine" would be if he was discharged within the last year.

[Rose Siding]

55. This could be a hoax, but I don't see that you've debunked it yet

Are all former Marines in the data base? And is the location of every unit public knowledge?

That the original story has only Army involved doesn't really exclude the possibility that others could have been involved earlier, before any photos were taken.

If it's a hoax, it will come out.

[Columbia]

64. Hoax for sure

"Are all former Marines in the data base?"

All Marines from the past few years are.

"And is the location of every unit public knowledge?"

The entire Marine Corps was not in Iraq at the time of Saddam's capture. Locations of units in country are pretty much public knowledge.

"That the original story has only Army involved doesn't really exclude the possibility that others could have been involved earlier, before any photos were taken."

Nor does it corroborate anything.

"If it's a hoax, it will come out."

It already has. Search Google news.

[RaleighNCDUer]

101. It could be another 'Rathergate' plant.

The info that Rather had was true, but he was fed documentation that was forged. When the forgery came to lite it poisoned the info, and Rather was humiliated and dismissed. But the info remains true.

This 'spider-hole' story always sounded bogus to me. Saddam's sons fought to the death in a well defended house in a firefight that took hours. But Saddam was abandoned and hiding in a hole in the ground? Rally.

If this guy planting the story is bogus, and easily proved to be bogus, the result is that people will say the 'spider-hole' story must be true. Real logic doesn't say so, but this guy being a fraud will poison the story.

Makes me wonder what they're really trying to hide.

[daleo]

43. The story never sat "well" with me.

I always thought there was something fishy looking about the "lid" of his "spider hole". At the time I thought maybe it was Styrofoam (it would have been awfully heavy otherwise), an obvious fake. Now it may turn out it was the lid to a well (those are awfully heavy, and would make a better lid for a tomb than a spider hole). Either way, it didn't look right for the purpose described (i.e. an egress point he could get in and out of at will).

[0007]

44. This doesn't surprise me one bit!

Like the Jessica Lynch fabrication and the Tillman heroic death bullshit. With junior strutting around on an Aircraft carrier like he just flew the jet in and announcing that the "Mission was accomplished" - Like the few bad apples in the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, when in fact Rumsfeld approved it with junior's knowledge. Then the Gannon thingy....and the beat goes on.

Everything that this administration does is embellished or an outright lie.

[Catchawave]

45. I believe him

..especially that when the Beirut Barracks were blown-up in '83 (?), it never made the MSM what exactly happened. Um, Reagan wanted peacekeepers, the miiitary leaders made sure no rounds were in the chambers of the guard shack rifles (uh, see we're peacefull!)....why has no one in the MSM ever pursued this? Oh wait, the survivors of this mini-holocaust (maimed and VA dependent PTSD's) are afraid they'll lose benefits? I know, I'm married to one :(

[me b zola]

46. NY public relations firm hired by U.S. months after 9/11

The administration said that this was to win friends and infuence people on the "Arab street", to gain cooperation and allys in the Mid-East.

Could it be that this high dollar PR firm was hired to sell the administrations version of reality to Americans & not Arabs?? It sure seems as though WE are the only ones that they are trying to fool, everyone else they just bully & bomb.

I do not remember the date that this story made the rounds, nor do I remember the name of the PR firm. I have only been here since Nov '04, is it possible that this was a topic way back when??

Just another piece of the puzzle falling into place for me.

[chlamor]

50. Public Version of Saddam Capture Was a Fiction

Public version of Saddam capture fiction
By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL

Published March 9, 2005


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- A former U.S. Marine who participated in capturing ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated.
    
    Ex-Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, of Lebanese descent, was quoted in the Saudi daily al-Medina Wednesday as saying Saddam was actually captured Friday, Dec. 12, 2003, and not the day after, as announced by the U.S. Army.
    
    "I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said.
    
    "We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said.
    
    He said Saddam himself fired at them with a gun from the window of a room on the second floor. Then they shouted at him in Arabic: "You have to surrender. ... There is no point in resisting."
    
    "Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well," Abou Rabeh said.
    
    Abou Rabeh was interviewed in Lebanon.

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050309-044527-4590r

[expatriot]

51. Wow! This will be big! Remember all the Time/Newsweek /USATODAY graphics

of the spiderhole? we were fascinated with the spiderhole!

[Dufaeth]

52. What is the reliability of the wpherald?

If this is true and can get traction it would be great for the pile of Bush propaganda.

edit: or the al-Medina?

note: this was moved from another thread

[htuttle]

53. What will this do to sales of the GI Joe 'Capture of Saddam' playset?

I always thought something stunk about that story.

[malaise]

60. It's like watching

a real life version of Wag the Dog. Everything is unreal these days - non stop movie production.
edit sp.

[eridani]

62. Let's confirm this, please

There is a lot of 'poisoning the well' type information out there.

[Columbia]

66. Already debunked

And making a lot of people look foolish.

[lumpy]

69. Debunked by whom ?

Give us a 'reliable' source, proof. The fake reasons for invading Iraq, the fake turkey, the fake carrier landing, the rheams of fake stories has left the administration with no credibility.

[Columbia]

71. Post 42

I checked the database myself too, this person is not a Marine at all.

No matter how much one hates the administration, believing every wild story just because it supports one's worldview is just foolish.

[Psephos]

85. Thank you n/t

[lumpy]

102. Who publishes/controls the 'database' ?

A public entity? I don't think so.

[Ms. Clio]

107. thegreatsatan has been tombstoned

That indicates the validity of his claims.

[Psephos]

68. Gimme a break - what's next, another GI Joe doll hostage story?

C'mon people, they throw this kind of crap in the water like chum to make the suckerfish rise to the surface.

[lumpy]

70. Who's they ?

x

[Callboy]

73. gosh im so surprised

to think this could be fabricated

[Fridays Child]

74. Saddam was not dirty enough to have been pulled from a hole in the ground.

[TryingToWarnYou]

75. Ex-Marine Says Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction

Well, well, well... hows this for an interesting story? I wonder what the White House is going to do to divert attention from this one.


http://www.13wham.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=422B960A-26BA-4891-9E60-21C8818788D4

A former U.S. Marine who participated in capturing ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated.

Ex-Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, of Lebanese descent, was quoted in the Saudi daily al-Medina Wednesday as saying Saddam was actually captured Friday, Dec. 12, 2003, and not the day after, as announced by the U.S. Army.

"I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said.

...

"Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well," Abou Rabeh said.

More at link...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

76. dupe

[CubsFan1982]

78. For about the 600th time today, dupe. n/t

[NV Whino]

77. Why does this not surprise me? n/t

[bilgewaterbill]

79. I think i'd take this with a grain of salt. nt

[Flammable Materials]

80. Two Words ...

Well, DUH.

[NVMojo]

81. more fake journalism and a seal of approval on deceit coming from

the Bush white house. Surprise, surprise!!! They lied. Didn't we always know this, though? Didn't we always know that they lied about WMD, Sadaam, etc, etc, etc???

[K8-EEE]

82. Oh The Lies, the LIES, THE LIES!!!!

This whole thing has been one big gigantic LIE after another, starting with the fabled WMD. Anybody who believes any "official story" coming from BushCo's propaganda machine is either a braindead Freeper or otherwise impaired.

[porkrind]

83. Remember the jackasses on CNN??

and their plywood "spidey-hole" mock-up that everyone was crawling around in? We knew it was bullshit then. The real story then was that Hussein was captured by the Kurds, and we paid them off to get him and then staged a fake media event.

Gee, fake media event. Sound familiar? Just like:
Jessica Lynch's fake rescue
Colin Powell lying to the U.N. about Iraq WMD
Condi lying to the 9/11 commission
* and Cheney lying to the 9/11 commission
Niger yellowcake
*'s fake texas ranch
*'s fake texas drawl
*'s fake Christian piousness
*'s fake Vietnam record
*'s fake coke possession record
*'s fake oil company past
Scottie's fake whitehouse press meetings
fake toppling of Saddam statue
fake Iraq elections
fake U.S. elections in 2000
fake U.S. elections in 2004
fake Social Security crisis
fake gay marriage crisis
fake bankruptcy reform crisis
fake tort reform crisis
fake budget numbers
fake unemployment numbers
fake * sitting in a classroom and other lies about 9/11
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., ...

I'm so goddamned sick of the lies! Wake the fuck up America! These thugs are bleeding us dry!

[Massachusetts]

88. I feel your pain and constantly say the same thing

"I'm so goddamned sick of the lies! Wake the fuck up America! These thugs are bleeding us dry"!

"A Government OF the PEOPLE, BY the PEOPLE, FOR the PEOPLE, Shall not perish from the earth".- A. Lincoln:wtf:

[MojoXN]

86. Hmmm...

I've been wondering why the Bushys have been waiting so long to put nasty ol' Saddam on trial. I thought it was just because they didn't want him blabbing about those millions of dollars in aid and deadly-ass weaponry that we gave him while he was fighting Iran back in the 1980's. But this makes me stop and think. With all of the proven fictions regarding everything Iraq (not to mention everything else), why should I believe the stock Rovian bedtime story? I mean, it is perfectly designed to undermine Iraqi confidence in their formal leader, whereas the situation described by this 'marine' seem like a much more likely scenario. It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds...

MojoXN

[pf99]

89. Most likely a true story

DOD is denying it.

Has the administration ever told the truth?

[Snivi Yllom]

91. you know this is total Bullshit if Drudge is pushing this

Another GI Joe doll story.

Drudge is pimping for hits.

[rayofreason]

92. The story is a fake

Nadim Abou Rabeh is not a Marine (see posts 47 and 90).

No Marine casualties the day in question as stated by the article (see post 42)

The Saddamites are total losers. The capture of Fearless Leader was a huge blow, and now the elections are another setback. So they make up a story, feed it to an uncritical outlet that would be happy to help cover up Arab shame at Saddam's capture instead of a glorious martyrdom, and hope for the best. Yet here on the DU there is enough evidence to determine that the story is a fake - and not one shred of evidence (like that Nadim Abou Rabeh is a Marine or that his unit was in country) to support the account. How long will it take the MSM to catch up? Then those jumping on the bandwagon feet first and brain last will not look too smart. And will we see some who then believe that Karl Rove set the whole thing up, just to discredit the opposition? Gimmee a break.

When you jump, jump head first.

[Columbia]

94. UPI, al-Medina, and Drudge

The BS trifecta, yet 95% are swallowing it hook, line and sinker.

[GregD]

93. Remember the ripe date palms?

When SH was captured, someone pointed out that there were ripe date palms in the photo. SH was reported to be captured on Dec 14, but those with local knowledge told us that date palms bear fruit much earlier in the year (Spring/early Summer?)

So if I recall correctly, people theorized that SH was actually captured shortly after the invasion, and they didn't report it until December.

Add that to this report, and I'm thinking this new story steenks like old feesh.

[chomskysright]

95. I sent it to ALJAZEERA reporter and he sent me.....

what Sgrena has recently been working on re: use of Napalm in Falluja.

[lovuian]

96. Public version of Saddam capture fiction

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=f83e620d113b1f4f

Big News Network.com Thursday 10th March, 2005 (UPI)

A former U.S. Marine who participated in capturing ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated.

Ex-Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, of Lebanese descent, was quoted in the Saudi daily al-Medina Wednesday as saying Saddam was actually captured Friday, Dec. 12, 2003, and not the day after, as announced by the U.S. Army.

"I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said.

more...

Why am I not surprised!!!

[MI Cherie]

97. No real surprise ...

... other than it is being revealed and reported.

Will that former Marine lose his retirement benefits now?

[NV Whino]

98. No fear

He'd probably lose them anyway the way this misadministration treats vets.

[merwin]

99. did we ever have any doubt that it was a complete lie?

[anarchy1999]

100. Just another dupe for the day, this is getting so old.

n/t

[passy]

103. Anyway how will they spin Saddam's death.

Because with what he has on Papa * and Rumsfeld I doubt he will be alive for his trial.

[caledesi]

104. Jessica Lynch: The Sequel LOL! nt