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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:02 PM
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("ludicrous") Judge in gay marriage case...a Catholic Republican appointee
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:01 PM by truthpusher
This is great, I love this part:

"Opponents of gay marriage immediately declared that 57-year-old Kramer is a judicial activist whose decision was "ludicrous" and "nonsense.""

The tired old 'Judicial activist' argument is dead in this case.

Here is the PDF file on the ruling (it takes a minute to open because of its size):http://www.sftc.org/Docs/marriage.pdf

Judge in gay marriage case is a Catholic Republican appointee
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By DAVID KRAVETS, AP Legal Affairs Writer
Monday, March 14, 2005
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(03-14) 16:26 PST San Francisco (AP) --
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Supporters of same-sex marriage found an ally Monday in San Francisco Judge Richard Kramer — a Catholic Republican appointed to the bench by a former GOP governor.

"We're certainly feeling the judge's decision is right," said San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, whose city's lawsuit prompted Kramer's ruling that gays and lesbians have the right to marry in California, despite a law and a voter-approved measure declaring marriage to be the exclusive realm of heterosexuals.

Opponents of gay marriage immediately declared that 57-year-old Kramer is a judicial activist whose decision was "ludicrous" and "nonsense."

"We knew Judge Kramer was under tremendous political pressure to redefine marriage, but we were hopeful he would recognize the limited role of the judiciary," said Robert Tyler, an Alliance Defense Fund attorney trying to uphold California's traditional marriage laws. "We do not believe it is appropriate for judges in this setting to overturn the will of the people."


complete story: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/14/state/n162642S50.DTL
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:04 PM
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1. He must be one of those self-hating catholics then n/t
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:04 PM
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6. Maybe he's one of us "woken up" ex-Catholics! n/t
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:07 PM
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2. Yeah. Like Brown v. Topeka Board of Education
how dare those activist judges step in and put their own judgements ahead of the voters.
It's amazing how quickly closed minded people forget.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:09 PM
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3. The dip-shit who brought the lawsuit is yelling "Judicial tyranny"...
Right, any decision they disagree with is invalid, because the judge is "activist".

He believes the "will of the People" should trump everything, even if the will of the people is unconstitutional discrimination against gays.

That sounds like tyranny to me.

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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:21 PM
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4. You Are Free...To Agree
Dissenters shall be "liberated."

WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
BUSH IS PRESIDENT
--Bumper sticker
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:01 PM
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5. OOPS!! I guess this takes away their pissy excuse
":cry:THOSE LIBRUL ACTIVIST JUDGES ARE ALLOWIN' DA QUEERS TO GIT MURRIED."
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:24 PM
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7. If "The Will of The People"...
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 10:24 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
Is illegal and unconstitutional, then yes, it is certainly well within the rights and responsibilities of a jurist to render a decision against them.

I think the moron needs to do a little reading about "the tyranny of the majority".

Frigging bullies is all they are. Cheap, common bullies.

Next up: The moron defends lynch mobs.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:42 PM
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8. So now a conservative Catholic is now a "liberal activist"?
:eyes:

The right would tell us that Goldwater is a commie just because he actually understood the U.S Constitution.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:07 PM
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9. It's news when a conservative acts like a decent human being
and goes off the reservation and considers gays human beings.
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:40 PM
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10. A Republican with a heart?
This Kramer fellow sounds like a decent fellow then. This gay Catholic Democrat now says "may gay marriage come to New Jersey".
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:07 AM
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11. Damn that good Jesuit education, any-hoo!!!!
Catholics, watch out...they needed you when they used abortion as a wedge issue, now they'll claim you're a cult!!!

I swear, this judge apparently understands the difference between religous "marriage" and the common term "marriage" which is NOT religious in nature, unless you call the Little Chapel of Chips in Vegas a church!!! Shame on him for displaying his discernment!
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