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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 12:54 PM
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US tries to drop charges against 9/11 'conspirator'
From Guardian UK


4.45pm update
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US tries to drop charges against 9/11 'conspirator'

Agencies
Friday September 26, 2003

US prosecutors attempting to bring a case against the so-called "20th hijacker", Zacarias Moussaoui, have been forced to ask for all charges against him to be dropped, a legal manoeuvre they hope will keep him from calling other terrorism suspects as defence witnesses.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1050522,00.html
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 12:58 PM
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1. What a frigging disaster!
Remember, these incompetent turds accidentally gave this yobbo a bunch of classified documents already.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 12:59 PM
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2. Outmanuvered by a Terrorist! Why do I feel so UNSAFE
with Aschcroft at the helm!:bounce:
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:15 PM
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8. Well, the "outmanuvre" was easy, wasn't it?
Moussaoui may be a nutjob, but he's only attempting to ensure his defense according to the possibilities offered him by US law. And since he risks life in prison, I think he's entitled to the right.

Isn't it Ashcroft who's really trying to maneuver, to keep the lid on the conditions at Gitmo?
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ScrewyRabbit Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:01 PM
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3. I read that they want to drop it in order
...to get it moved to an appeals court immediately.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:42 PM
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9. But if the case is dismissed he's out of there and can't be charged again
or is that part of the Bill of Rights gone, too?

Prosecutors ran into trouble with the case after two district court orders gave Mr Moussaoui the right to question three suspected al-Qaida members who he says could testify he was not a conspirator in the September 11, 2001 attacks. The government argues he does not have the right to question suspected terrorists.
Well, if suspected and convicted gangsters can testify against each other, why not terrorists?

The government has argued that national security would be gravely harmed if any details were revealed about the sensitive interrogations or statements made by the prisoners, who are held at undisclosed locations outside the US
Not to mention how sensitive they are to being tortured!


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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:56 PM
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11. Wrong. He was not convicted so he can be charged again!!
Next time IN A MILITARY TRIBUNAL, that can be kept secret, with no rights to civilian lawyers and no rights to call witnesses on his behalf.

This is a move to deprive him of his defense. The next stop will be a MILITARY TRIBUNAL.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:03 PM
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4. Am I dreaming? Is someone making up all this stuff?
Is Chimpy really the president? What happened?
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:09 PM
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5. The two witnesses are being held as enemy combatants and that
in itself makes me think that people don't want any chances of how we are treating "enemy combatants."

All the people being charged with espionage at Gitmo coupled with the behaviour in this case makes me wonder what is really going on in the name of America.
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Peregrine Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:10 PM
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6. Gitmo is his next stop
I'm sure that he will be detained as an enemy combatant, or under a material witness warrant.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:11 PM
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7. ......this is a joke!
Wouldn't it be better to let Moussaoui go and then watch? Oh' never mind, that wouldn't work cuz they'd lose him in less than three weeks.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:51 PM
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10. What has the Government got to hide?
Edited on Fri Sep-26-03 01:52 PM by Must_B_Free
What could Moussaoui know that is so frightening to the Government that they would let this guy walk free.

And if they go to appeal and get a "friendlier" judge who will keep Moussaoui's evidence out of a second trial, isn't that a hollow victory? Cheating the system, essentially?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 02:03 PM
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12. I don't think it's Moussaoui they're afraid of so much as
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh. It's these senior al Qaeda figures the Justice Dept wants to keep from testifying in open court. My suspicion is they're wired into Pakistan's ISI, which acts as the CIA's strategic proxy in Central Asia and liason to terrorist groups.

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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 03:25 PM
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15. Add the fact that they'd talk about their last

meetings with PNAC and AEI.

But then I'm :tinfoilhat: MIHOP
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 02:52 PM
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13. I suspect a change of venue.
Allowing him to "walk free" is unlikely. He will be out of the U.S. courts if the charges are dropped, but what will prevent them from sending him to Guantanamo?
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MostlyBlackCat2 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 02:55 PM
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14. They don't want him to talk about BushCo's involvement
That's what theyoure trying to hide, I believe. And now they're scared that if he can get access to other more senior al quaida (sp?) members, he can make them talk in his defense, and they would have to tell how the (mis)Administration LIHOP or MIHOP -

I never thought I'd find myself wearing a tinfoil hat but this one makes me wonder....of course, the majority of the sheeple don't wonder. they don't think don't ask don't care and that's really starting to get to me.

back to the tea, aromatherapy, yoga, deep breathing, whatever works.
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