White House grapples with allegation

[Gman]

Splattered all over the nbcnews.com home page...

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If CIA agent’s name was intentionally leaked, laws may have been broken

WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 — Senior Bush administration officials responded Sunday to allegations that White House officials revealed the identity of a CIA agent in an apparent retaliatory move against her husband. “The Justice Department will now take appropriate action, whatever that is,” national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” MSNBC.com and NBC News reported Friday that the Justice Department has launched an investigation into the allegations.
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Rice said the matter has been referred to the Justice Department and “I think that’s the appropriate place. ... Let’s just see what the Justice Department does.”
When pressed as to whether anyone at the White House raised concern that the Wilson matter posed a problem for the administration, Rice replied, “I don’t remember any such conversation.”
She pledged White House cooperation in the Justice Department inquiry.
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/973047.asp?0cv=CA01

Contrary to to the belief of Deanie Boppers, there are some very much more important things going on right now than bashing Clark.

Condi says the White House will cooperate with John Ashcroft. Does that give anyone a good feeling? Today appears to be some kind of turning point and finds the Bushies on the defensive like never before. It can only get much, much worse for Bush from now on.

[Cha]

1. I was just going to respond to this thread and caught your snide

aside to "Deanie Boppers"... Ya just can't leave it alone can ya?

[JoFerret]

2. Whatever

...give the story a seven anyway.

[coralrf]

15. Then back off...as he is right.

Don’t comment...just go. This is not the time to bash Clark or Kerry and he is right. It is the time to bash Bush and I would agree with this threads author: the Dean folks don’t do much of that.

Aside from Rove the most destructive force a Democratic candidate can run into today is a Dean person. Not Dean, he seems to play it cool. But his supporters are not helpful at all.

[Cha]

19. That's bullshit.

I don't bash the other candidates...and I don't care if you agree or not ..it's not true.

None of the supporters who bash the candidates are helpful...so singling out the Dean Supporters is just bloody disingenous.

[stickdog]

25. You & Clark supporters are the ones who are bashing.

How repuke-like to suggest suggest someone else is bashing as you are.

[Bandit]

36. You are the one's doing the bashing

Dean supporters have bashed no one on this thread but Clark supporters started the thread bashing dean supporters. :shrug: can't see the forest for the trees. I support no one as yet but can see bashing when it rears it's ugly face.

[HereSince1628]

35. 1. NO opinion pieces, editorials, or other stories that are not news.

Maybe we can agree that jibes are not news, even if they are posted along with an LBN posting?

Folks use this forum for their news updates during the day, let's help them by keeping to the intent of the rules.

[tkmorris]

3. Geez, finally a thread that doesn't 'bash'

And then finally it does. Please, for the love of whatever you hold holy, stop it.

[onehandle]

4. Warm up that tanker, condi...

You'll need a slow boat in Jan '05.

Goodbye, General Rove.

[BloodyWilliam]

5. Drip, drip, drip...

FLUSH!

This is like Watergate in real time. When I walked to work today, I wasn't sure if the story would get picked up at all. Amazing what a few hours and the Internet can do.

[BQueen]

6. Didja catch Condi's lame denial?

On NBC news replayed from MTP that Tenet had asked them to remove the reference to the African uranium from an earlier speech, but that they had all "forgotten" about that letter by the State of the Union?! Amazing how transparent these idiots are!

On the CIA issue, Condi sez that W doesn't "expect" WH stafff to behave like that -- we know that he doesn't "expect" it Condi, he DEMANDS it!

[Nottingham]

7. I didn't like how she was shaking and said the Justice dept

would DISPOSE of the situation!

DISPOSE what a choice of words it was in the transcript!!

:bounce:

[mike_c]

8. I'm afraid that's exactly how the WH expects the JD to deal with this....

Sweeping it WAY under the rug. Nothing to see here, folks-- move along. It's up to the press now to keep this alive. That alone scares me....

[diplomats]

9. We can't depend on the press

The Dems need to call for a special prosecutor. I'm absolutely serious.

[catzies]

24. YEAH! SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!

Yeah! :bounce:

These guys go on TV and lie every week and it means nothing.

The only thing that will ever stop them is getting them under oath and prosecuting them for lying. And NO PARDONS. EVER. And forbidden from public service and government contracting forever.

[TankLV]

18. Official transcrip of Justice Dept. "investigations":

Asscrap: "OK, now, Mr./Mrs. , did you do anything illegal or remotely wrong?"

: "Nope".

Asscrap: "OK, I'm satisfied. Thank you for your cooperation."

- end of inquiry -

There. Now, don't you all feel better about having this "thoroughly vetted"? I sure do!

sarcasm off.

Let's see - the repukes get the most rapid, historically partisan right wing a-hole repuke to investigate Democrats - with the encouragement of the Democrats - just to show impartiality and a thorough investigation - and the repukes get the most rapid, historically partisan right wing a-hole repuke to investigate fellow repukes. Doesn't any media whore or sheeple or ANYONE but us see a problem here?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. Here's the deal...

...have you noticed that the mainstream press has begun to slam the Bushies on a daily basis, and that it's been going on for at least a month? Want to know why? Their conservative corporate masters have turned the press loose because, IMHO, they have decided that Bush is not what he was advertised to be. The economy is in terrible shape and the war in the Middle East is becoming much more costly with no sign of the expected return on investment.

Now, add to that the recent damaging leaks from certain factions of the military as well as those from the intelligence community, and what we're starting to see is the beginnings of a coup within the original coup.

The CIA never operates by using the public mainstream media unless it has all of its' ducks lined up. My guess is that they have enlisted a good-sized faction within the DOJ willing to buck Ashcroft and run with the ball.

What's interesting to me about the CIA story is that Andrea Mitchell was the one to break the story in the mainstream press and she's the wife of Alan Greenspan (big business...back to paragraph one).

[leesa]

10. Glad to see this story growing. Too bad about the childish remark

about "Deanie-boppers". This used to be such a great forum.

[Frances]

13. If we can't discuss Bush's crimes

without someone bashing a Democratic candidate, then I and other people will stop reading DU and that will make Bush stronger.

I wonder if EVERY post with a bash against ANY Democratic candidate should be banned.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Contrary to the CLarkRepublikkers...this story has nothing to do

with your candidate flames wars so to add it in your original post was silly.

I am not for or against Clark but the stupid swipes have got to stop.

I only posted my title so you could see how silly your own comments looked tagged onto this serious story.

[RedEarth]

12. Condi seemed very nervous on MTP this morning

You could hear it in her voice when she was answering some of the questions. I think she realizes that the public is going to start demanding the truth about what has been going on in the white house. And the truth is not something they want to come to the surface.

[fishnfla]

14. Gotta give Snow some credit

for his line of questioning. He knew she was going to deny it so instead of asking'what did the president know and when did he know it?'

He was asking AFTER the fact 'when the WH found out about the story, what did they do?' very clever, she was caught out in the cold.

[bpilgrim]

16. and they jeopardised our surveillance of WMD trades. our war on TERROR

put at risk for an internal political report dispute :puke:

i have a feeling this may wake a LOT more folks up to the crisis these radicals have put our nation in, DELIBERATELY.

PNAC = DISRUPTION and WAR
(all part of the plan)

peace

[proud patriot]

17. RATE THE ARTICLE AT the Bottom of page

:HI:

[kodi]

20. I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on here."

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[theshadow]

21. And you can bet....

.... they WON'T round up the usual suspects.

[union_maid]

22. Is there a pool?

Like which will be the first one thrown over the side on this? Umm..is this treason? It seems like it might be treason to me, but I'm no lawyer.

[theshadow]

23. I am not hopeful.

I just watched an old PBS documentary about Watergate, and how even GOP members wouldn't stand for Nixon's illegal conduct. There were the stalwarts who waited until things got really bad, yes, but there were also from Republicans who did the right thing from the start. I don't see that morality or support for the law today. In 2003, it's "let's spin this" and "let's blame someone else" and so on. My God, if Republicans believe what Krauthammer has been writing about the supposedly unfair treatment of Bush, what hope is there?

By the way, IF this does develop into a nice rich Bundt cake of a scandal, would Novakula have a shot at an indictment? Was it against the law for him to use the information?

[AndyTiedye]

26. Ashcroft Will Investigate - Gives Me a Warm Fuzzy Feeling Inside

Like swallowing a tarantula.

[Wickerman]

38. I was so sick of hearing "Rule of Law" in 2000

Remember that? Bush* was going to return the Rule of Law to the White House. Heard that all the time. Now that phrase is as uncommon as States' Rights. Whatever the Repuke clowns voted for in 2000 it should be readily apparent to even the most ostrichized Rushite that they got something much, much different.

[Robin Hood]

27. "Let’s just see what the Justice Department does.”

Go fuck your self Condi liar. Let's see what a special prosecutor does.

[Selwynn]

28. Reading this thread....I'm starting to not like this place.

Is really starting to make me not like this forum anymore.

Seems like every thread I browse turns into in-fighting between zealots for one candidate who act just like fundamentalist right-wingers by being unwilling to listen to other points of view, disinterested in dialogue or actual debate, fanatically committed to dogma and talking points and ruthlessly obsessed with polarizing the issues as the "good guys" who support their candidate and the "bad guys" who don't and the same exact kind of people on the other side in support of a different candidate.

I can count on my hand the number of times I've read a thread with thoughful open minded discourse and even disagreement worthy of statemanship, disagreement that is sophisiticated where two disagreeing parties end up edified and actually better off for having the debate.

Every time I turn around there is yet another long chain of threads bashing the closed-minded obnoxiousness of religious right-wingers, or bashing the ignorance or dogmatism of the political right... but I don't see ANYTHING DIFFERENT HERE. Why is that?

I'm starting to think I should just browse this forum for any critical headlines, but ignore the community - I've seen little but in-fighting, name calling, intolerance, closed mindedness and just plain meanness. I'm failing to see what is supposed to separate "us" from all the people that so many of you seem to take such gleeful pleasure in derriding.

It's really starting to bum me out. Worse still the attitude is contagious - I've found myself succuming and getting right down there in the dirt with everyone else and its not worthy of who I am, and its not worthy of any of you.

My post will change nothing - the forums will go right on being childish, meanspirited and no better in attitude than anyone we are "against" - but it made me feel better to say it.

I wish that the vast majority of the people who contribute here, myself included, would take two steps back and grow up - again, myself included. It could be so much better if we were secure enough in ourselves to hear other peoples disagreement, opinions or perspectives without harassment, ridicule and antagonism.

But that will never happen - so I'm going to bed and I'll see you all tomorrow for another round of bitching and infighting between people just as entrenched in their own ideological positions as anyone we would consider the "other guys" - and acting just as bad. Woo hoo. Something to look forward too - a group of people representing my own ideals who act no better than the people who stand against everying I believe in... with friends like these, the saying goes..

Goodnight.

[LeftHander]

29. ABout time this is hitting mainstream

Kick

[JNelson6563]

30. Great story!

Nice job working in that slam too. Thanks for showing it is folks like you who keep the knives out at all times.

Too bad you threw away a golden opportunity to focus strictly on the true enemy. Or perhaps that was your purpose and your slam was laced with projection....?

*coughtransparentcough*

Julie

[robbedvoter]

31. Asscrack also investigated Florida voting, Enron, the Anthrax kilings

Clark BTW made a statement yesterday that a DOJ investigation is not good enough for this.
What is good about this one is that it has all the intrigue of a good story: revenge in order to cover for a lie (nicely brings back the 16 words too) - and endangering the life of US agents - kinda gos aginst the "GOP=National security thingy.
So, just keeping this in the headlines will do wonders. A real investigation to fllow after we get the power.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

32. Here's what DEAN says about it

Sunday, September 28, 2003
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Dean Calls For White House Cooperation in Justice Probe
DES MOINES--Governor Howard Dean issued the following statement today:

"Today's report in the Washington Post of alleged criminal wrongdoing by members of the White House staff is deeply troubling. The suggestion that the White House may have revealed the identity of an undercover CIA agent in retaliation against the woman's husband not only is highly disturbing and illegal, but may have grave national security implications.

"Today I call upon President Bush to take this matter of national security and possible criminal activity seriously and identify immediately anyone who may have provided information about Ambassador Wilson's wife or who may have knowledge of others who did so. These individuals not only have compromised her safety, but the safety of extremely sensitive national security information.

"We must get to the bottom of this swiftly. That's why I ask the President and the White House to cooperate fully in any criminal investigation.

"And to ensure a thorough investigation -- free from political pressure -- I call on Attorney General John Ashcroft to play no role in this investigation and permit the probe to be carried out by the independent Justice Department Inspector General. We need to determine the facts in the highly sensitive matter free from any political taint.

"President Bush came into office promising to bring honor and integrity to the White House. No more promises. It's time for accountability."

www.blogforamerica.com

[Dhalgren]

34. This just might be Ashcroft's chance

to take the "fundies" up and above the Bush administration. Novak may have published the leaks because they would be investigated, and this was a way af getting rid of the neocons (Novak has issues with the neocons). Also, the fundies are beginning to feel queezy about Bush and the neocons - they aren't "really" very religious, after all. Now Ashcroft can "do his duty", bring down Bush and be in position to take the fundis mantle and ascend into heaven...er...the White House. Just an intriguing little notion.

[AndyTiedye]

39. If the ran Asscroft, They'd Have to Steal Almost All of the Votes

This is the Asscroft who lost an election to a corpse last time.

[Padraig18]

37. Just couldn't pass up the cheap shot at Dean, could you?

You ruined a perfectly legitimate post to LBN with your snide little slap at Dean supporters. :eyes: