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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:07 PM
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AP: Intelligence Sees Terrorists in Iran (here we go again)
WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence and foreign allies have growing evidence that wanted terrorists have been residing in Iran despite repeated American warnings to Tehran not to harbor them.

The evidence, which stretches over several years, includes communications by a fugitive mastermind of the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing and the capture of a Saudi militant who appeared in a video in which Osama bin Laden confirmed he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, according to U.S. and foreign officials.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because much of the evidence remains classified.

Saudi intelligence officers tracked and apprehended Khaled bin Ouda bin Mohammed al-Harbi last year in eastern Iran, officials said. The arrest came nearly three years after the cleric appeared with bin Laden and discussed details of the Sept. 11 planning during a dinner that was videotaped and aired across the world.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20050603/ap_on_re_us/iran_terrorists

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:09 PM
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1. What kind of Intelligence would THIS be?
1. Real intel?
2. Bad Intel?
3. Fixed Intel?

hmmmm....
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:55 AM
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64. The pentagon admits that half the suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudis
But the Saudis (Who hold hands with the Bush family) get a free pass. 17 of 19 hijackers on 911 were Saudis. They were sent by a Saudi. They were funded by Saudis. Do the freaking math already.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:09 PM
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2. Here we go again! Making the evidence fit the policy so we
can invade the second spoke of the "axis of evil".
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:11 PM
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4. We cant invade Iran...
1. Where are we gonna get the man power.
2. If we reinstate the draft this country is going to implode.
3. Russia might have something to say about it.
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:14 PM
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5. No man power needed...
Remember so-called "surgical strikes" from aircraft carriers, and now newly built bases in Afghanistan on one side and Iraq on the other?

But then you'll say...What then? What happens after they bomb?
As you can see from the Iraq situation, nobody thinks very much about that. Actually it's even mentioned in the Downing Street Minutes: not much talk about after the first part of the campaign.

I sure hope I am wrong and you are right!
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:17 PM
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10. I hope so too!
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 04:19 PM by LiberalVoice
But dont you think a third war in 5 years would hurt *'s popularity more then it would help?
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saskatoon Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:57 PM
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27. hurt his popularity?
what the hell does he care, he's not running again and while he's in there he will do any damn thing he wants. He doesn't care about this country, all he cares about is doing as he pleases and setting the scene while he can for him an his pals-the damn sonofabitch.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:20 PM
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14. Air strikes are not feasible
Iran has a capable, and modernized anti-aircraft defense system.

The U.S. losses would be unacceptable to the public.
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:23 PM
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17. Iran would respond with ground troops, imho
I can see a scenario where an American attack leads to Iranian occupation of Basra. Iran's allies already control the city.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:28 PM
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19. Iran wouldn't mobilize into Iraq
Iran already controls Iraq through the Iran friendly Iraqi government.

To invade Iraq would be a step backwards for Iran.


As Sun Tzu wrote, never attack an enemy overtly when you can defeat them from within.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:50 PM
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37. no one will ever mobilize' on any battle field against us or their DEAD
but they will flood the market with weapons and warm bodies.

they WANT the neoCONs to step foot on their soil - remember Baghdad Bob... egging America to come closer - then things will go very badly for everyone. :nuke:

:scared:

peace
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:33 PM
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20. Oh, but that's what cruise missiles are for.
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 04:34 PM by megatherium
We have had a good couple of years to replenish our quiver. We launch a billion dollars of these things, no more Iranian air-defense system. Then we can bomb at our leisure. Likewise, those scary sunburn missiles you hear about. US ships won't happen to be in range of these, and they're no good against B2s or B52s.

But don't I think we're going to pull the trigger. The real danger is the Iranians shutting off shipping to the Gulf, that would hit the global economy like a thunderbolt. Or they could coax the Shiites in Iraq to join the insurgency. We wouldn't be able to deal with that.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:36 PM
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22. U.S. ships are in range
There have been aircraft carriers in the Gulf for more than a year now, well within range of the missiles.


B52s wouldn't be used because the civilian casualties of the carpet bombing would cause a world-wide outrage, especially in the Muslim world.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:34 PM
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33. I think B52s are used to drop JDAMs.
We would only use B52s for carpet bombing if there were little risk of civilian casualties; I think the Iranians have had the foresight to put their alleged nuclear facilities in urban areas to deter us from attacking.

I would expect that our military commanders will take steps to protect our aircraft carriers if hostilities were imminent. Given the speed of these missiles, use of such defenses as the phalanx anti-missile gun would be difficult; so I would expect that our carriers would be moved beyond the 300 km range of these missiles.

But again, we aren't doing anything. The risk of the Iranians getting the bomb is less than the costs and risk of attacking them. Pax Atomica.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:41 PM
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42. Unacceptable losses not tolerated by the public?
Not if we don't know the full extend of those losses... again.

How do we know the casuality count in Iraq is accurate?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 04:02 PM
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81. I really don't think that is true
Iran's air defenses are pretty shabby thanks to the arms embargo...and they would be as effective against a US/Israeli air strike as Saddam's air defenses were in the first Gulf War...
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #14
93. So had Serbia
and NATO didn't lose a single soldier in combat in that war (though a few jets, but the pilots were rescued, which would prove more difficult in Iran).
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:17 PM
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9. Russia already put their money where their mouth is.
They sold Iran Sunburn missiles. Sunburns are low flying cruise missiles that can carry nuclear or anti-ship warheads. Iran may not have nuclear warheads, but the anti-ship warheads will easily take out a carrier.

The Russians have damn good cruise missile technology. It wouldn't be wise to mess with it.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:18 PM
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11. It's a much larger country than Iran, too. n/t
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:40 PM
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25. Much larger country than Iraq.
Iran is larger than Iraq.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:14 PM
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31. Yeah, that's what I meant to type. Thanks.
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:10 PM
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3. As I am reading this post, I am watching a bunch of F-18's
doing fly-bys at Moffett Field Air Station, which is near the place where I work.

This was happening a lot in January-February of 2003 just before the "Shock and Awe" campaign...

May we all be wrong on this one, including Scott Ritter and Seymour Hersch!

:scared:
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:15 PM
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7. I see alot of military helicopters out my window
I live along the flight path to a Southern California military base. Many military helicopters have been flying by in the last few days (more than the usual number). I have noticed this happens whenever a big military offensive is imminent (like just before the Fallujah offensive last year).
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:45 PM
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35. You too?
This week has actually been quiet. But the three weeks previous, oh boy. You can't hear yourself think when they go overhead.
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:57 PM
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39. Yeah, the choppers are MEAN sounding !!
I can always tell when a military chopper goes by. It has its own distinct sound - the kind you hear in war movies. It has a DEATH sound to it. I've noticed a definite pick-up in flights during the last 2 weeks. I could be wildly wrong, but I think something's up.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:14 PM
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6. Are they talking about
the videotape in which a chubby Indian-looking guy is dressed up as Osama? If this Khaled dude appeared on that tape, Langley is probably the best place to start searching for him.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:52 PM
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26. that was to be my question too
? the fat Osama tape ?

that's their 'intelligence' ?

dp
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:16 PM
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8. Note that they claim "evidence". Along with keywords "Bin laden" and 9/11
Push those buttons, let us know WHY you're about to wage war. "We warned them!"
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:19 PM
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12. REAL "Intelligence" Would See Terrorists...
...running the WH!
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:20 PM
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13. You know, I've got 10 bucks riding on this . . .
I bet a Repub friend (yes, it is possible to have one) that Bushco would attack somebody before Labor Day.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:22 PM
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15. Funny how anonymous sources are good
When BushCo uses them, but bad when the same kind of sources tell negative stories about BushCo.
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ekelly Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:04 PM
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29. you mean NOW they don't hate America?
Yeah, suddenly they don't "hate America"....they are "providing intelligence"

<<<where the hell are my hip waders?>>>
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:23 PM
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16. but but but....
we were told that all those evil doers were flocking to Iraq to fight the US on Iraqi soil. I had no idea Iran had a 2nd string terrorist line up. :eyes:
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:26 PM
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18. What about the terrorists in Saudi Arabia?
Which includes fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 attackers.

Which also includes the majority of foreign fighters in Iraq.


Funny how BushCo doesn't talk about them.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:33 PM
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21. There's terrorists in the U.S.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/051005.html

"Without doubt, Posada – who reportedly has been hiding in South Florida for six weeks – is getting the benefit of a conscious U.S. policy of benign neglect, a Bush version of the “I know nothing” approach made popular by Sgt. Schultz, the German prison guard in the TV comedy “Hogan’s Heroes.”

If Posada were a suspected Islamic terrorist – not a CIA-trained right-wing Cuban exile – there’s no question that the Bush administration would be showing zero tolerance for his presence inside the United States. Certainly, the U.S. government wouldn’t be waiting around patiently for the terrorist to check in with immigration authorities."
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. Nonsense Tempest, on both of your posts!
Everyone knows that the most dangerous terrists in the US are the Earth First and Animal Right crowds!!!

:argh:
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:40 PM
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24. I said it years ago, I'll say it again
Bush wants to sew up the land route between Africa and the rest of the world. He'll continue to push for it, they want oil and power to give to their Saudi masters.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 05:55 PM
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28. Is anyone else.....
having their world rocked today? Is it me, or is there an awful lot of shit hitting the fan?
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:09 PM
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30. You know,if the intelligence department looked down in Georgia at the
School of the Americas, they would see more terrorist than they could shake a stick at. right here in the US of A.
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:31 PM
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32. "safe" nukes ok's in US; bunker busters to Israel
note that the congress and administration have moved towards allowing the preemptive use of bunker busting small nukes in ANY place, any time of their chosing. Many bunker buster bombs were delivered to Israel just a couple of months ago. Some of these penetration bombs have nukes, some not. Don't know if they included nukes or not but, of course, Israel has a good number of those anyway. Iran doesn't have to be occupied or battled in a traditional manner.

I am glad I have access to a cabin in Canada.
And my son has access to a cabin in Canada.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. similarly to WWII, but WORSE...
no place on earth will be safe.

the neoCON fantasy of 21st century warfare ignores the first principal of empire... you MUST have enough BOOTS on the GROUND to claim, and more importantly CONTROL, that territory.

mini nukes will only bring us to Armageddon more quickly then their ICBMs parents.

:nuke:

peace
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:38 PM
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34. Another fragrant load of NeoCon propaganda. What a surprise.
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meppie-meppie not Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:48 PM
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36. give them about 2 more weeks of propaganda and then they
should be good to go :puke:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:04 PM
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40. they must be planning a NEW PEARL HARBOUR because there is NO WAY
anyone will buy any of this 'Intel' BS on the heels of the currently worsining DISASTER going on in IRAQ.

well, that's if the summer deadline is to be believed. it took'm about a year to rush to war with iraq, and you have to assume that their remaining sane WAR planners must know this will probably take a bit longer, going the traditional humanitarian route, considering... which makes me very nervous about a NEW PEARL HARBOUR...

THE NEW PEARL HARBOR


Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11


by David Ray Griffin
foreword by Richard Folk


CONTENTS
Acknowledgements vi
Forword by Richard Falk vii
Introduction xi

PART ONE THE EVENTS OF 9 / 11
1. Flights 11 and 175: How Could the Hijackers' Missions Have Succeeded? 3
2. Flight 77: Was It Really the Aircraft that Struck the Pentagon? 25
3. Flight 93: Was It the One Flight that was Shot Down? 49
4. The Presidents Behavior. Why Did He Act as He Did? 57

PART TWO THE LARGER CONTEXT
5. Did US Officials Have Advance Information about 9/11? 67
6. Did US Officials Obstruct Investigations Prior to 9/11? 75
7. Did US Officials Have Reasons for Allowing 9/11? 89
8. Did US Officials Block Captures and Investigations after 9/11? 105

PART THREE CONCLUSION
9. Is Complicity by US Officials the Best Explanation? 127
10. The Need for a Full Investigation 147

Notes 169
Index of Names 210
Back Cover Text

read online here...
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/141355.php

psst... pass the word :toast:

peace
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meppie-meppie not Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:37 PM
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41. backatya!! and I surely will!!!
BTW I have that book and am going out tomorrow to get the follow up to it.
Peace mate :toast:
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
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43. AP: Intelligence Sees Terrorists in Iran
WASHINGTON - Mounting evidence gathered over several years has U.S. and foreign intelligence agencies increasingly convinced that leading terror suspects have been living in Iran. Their existence in the Islamic republic poses an ongoing problem to top Bush administration officials, who have warned Middle Eastern countries against providing shelter or other aid to terrorists.

The evidence includes communications by a fugitive mastermind of the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing and the capture of a Saudi militant who appeared in a video in which Osama bin Laden confirmed he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, according to U.S. and foreign officials.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because much of the evidence remains classified.

Saudi intelligence officers tracked and apprehended Khaled bin Ouda bin Mohammed al-Harbi last year in eastern Iran, officials said. The arrest came nearly three years after the cleric had appeared with bin Laden and discussed details of the Sept. 11 planning during a dinner that was videotaped and aired across the world.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050604/ap_on_re_us/iran_terrorists;_ylt=Aq5gSCsyOa7yB_PDaHD.4rFI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
___________________________________________

Here we go, just what BushCo has been looking for to justify a march on Iran. Right on schedule too.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
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44. Well, isn't that special.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. Well, now, that really has me alarmed. Who'd have thought?
We all know that the question is only exactly when they'll attack and how they'll go about it. I'm just scared they might stage another 9/11 to get you all ready...

------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #45
58. No kidding
this is supposed to be news?
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
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46. "Intelligence" these days will see Terrorists under our beds
if the White House wants them do. I don't believe a single word they say anymore - not a bloody single word. it's all sales now. Another broken bit of our goverment.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #46
62. terrorist here, terrorists there, blah, blah, blah , to the tune of figaro
me thinks intelligence has built a house of mirrors in an echo chamber.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
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47. If we have evidence it must be so.
Hardy har har.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
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48. This sounds like more disinformation
...from the Office of Special Plans. They and their bud Chalabi know lots of cool stuff about Iran AND spooky-scary lurking terrorists.

:boring:

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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #43
49. Yes, the AIPAC meeting recently left no room for doubt
They had an exhibit called "Iran's path to the bomb", which began with the narrator condemning the IAEA for being "unwilling" to conclude that Iran is developping nuclear weapons. Who would believe the IAEA after they were right about Iraq when all the neocons were dead wrong, translation: lying. Richard Perle drew cheers for calling for a military intervention in Iran.

So considering the fact, translation: lie, that Iran is both developping nuclear weapons and harboring terrorists, it is evident that we need to invade before the smoking gun comes in the form of a mushroom cloud.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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52. Oooo, now you're scaring me!!
I've been programmed by CNNFAUXMSNBCNEONEWS to shiver in me boots whenever somebody mentions :nuke: !!!

:scared:

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #43
50. How come nobody looks at Washington DC,
where the masterminds work & play?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:14 AM
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51. Curious that the Iranians have said...
... previously, on many occasions, that Sunni religious radicals present as much a threat to them as to the Saudis and the Egyptians....

More curious that Saudi intelligence was able to track and arrest someone in eastern Iran, far away from their nearest border. That would suggest that there's cooperation between the Saudis and the Iranians with regard to radicals.

That would further suggest that Iran is not sheltering such people, but, rather, aiding in their capture.

But, how will that news be spun in the US press?
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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53. And the boogie man is in my closet
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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54. I heard we would attck Iran in June. Three more weeks left. n/t
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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55. MSM Turning Up the Volume about Iran to Distract From Downing Street Memo
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 05:38 AM by keopeli
This type of news is so manipulated that they have to be daft to think we just digest it without thinking.

Many of us have been saying this sort of thing for a very long time.

However, right now we need to PAY ATTENTION TO IRAQ!!!!!!

Not just because many people are dying every day.
Not just because we broke it so we have to fix it.
Because we...all of us...including the US Congress was lied to.
That's what the Downing Street Memo proves.

The Administration started a war without the authority to do so.
And fixed the facts around the plan.

And Americans died.

And many others are dead too, and still dying.

Blood shed for Democracy will not be born of a lie to Congress and the American People.

---

When asked during the 04 debates to name a mistake he had made, Pres. Bush could think of none.

But we already know the biggest one.

Don't lie to us about American's lives. Don't send our children to die based on a lie.

We won't tolerate a liar.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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56. well it can't be u.s. intelligence -- we don't HAVE any!
so it must be someone else's intelligence.

haven't the media been reporting that u.s. intelligence still sucks?

so where does this really come from?
not just saudi prisoners i'm sure -- they'd probably say anything -- and who believes bushco besides the american taliban?

israel most certainly comes to mind as a usual suspect.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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57. RIght, same DARNED GOOD INTELLIGENCE that said SADDAM HAD WMDS?
Fuck them.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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59. This is getting really old ...
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 08:41 AM by BattyDem

"Terrorists are in Afghanistan ... um, I mean they're in Iraq ... um, I mean they're in Iran ... um, I mean ..." :eyes:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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60. I see terrorists in Washington DC...
...and I see stupid sheeple.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:15 AM
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61. Ya don't say? Hell, we've known about it for YEARS!
Iran was linked to the 1996 Khobar Towers attack but yet the Propagandist deemed Iraq was the terror haven.

:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:23 AM
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 10:59 AM
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65. I see terr'ist dust bunnies under my bed.
BushCo sees terrorists where ever there is oil. Next question?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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Evidence points to terrorists hiding in Iran
Intelligence mounts on al-Qaida suspects sheltered by Tehran

Updated: 2:00 p.m. ET June 4, 2005
WASHINGTON - Mounting evidence gathered over several years has U.S. and foreign intelligence agencies increasingly convinced that leading terror suspects have been living in Iran.

Their existence in the Islamic republic poses an ongoing problem to top Bush administration officials, who have warned Middle Eastern countries against providing shelter or other aid to terrorists.

The evidence includes communications by a fugitive mastermind of the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing and the capture of a Saudi militant who appeared in a video in which Osama bin Laden confirmed he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, according to U.S. and foreign officials.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because much of the evidence remains classified.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8097493/

(here we go folks!)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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66. We all knew something was going to happen in June
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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67. Secret evidence again?
So the bad guys are in Iran so we have to (Pick one) bomb, invade, attack, destroy Iran in order to get the terrorists WE drew into the area?

This is the beginning of the drumbeat folks....watch it build from here....
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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68. Please tell me the country isn't going to fall for this sh*t again!
:eyes:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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74. They were only off by one letter last time!
Cut 'em some slack. Should intelligence experts have to worry about typos?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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69. "Yeeeeee haw!!!!
Let's git us sum terra-ists!"

I'm sure we'll have a 'reason' to go... I'm just scared about the nature of that reason.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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70. I can hear the marching order to Iran...
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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71. And last week it pointed to Syria.
:eyes:
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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72. this is so surprising!
that in a country whose regime rose to power in an anti-American wave against a pro-American puppet Shah.... in a country that is surrounded by two countries that were invaded and currently occupied by the U.S. ----- it shocks me that anti-American elements would be seeking refuge and resupply there.... shocking! You can not blame the Bush administration for not foreseeing this quagmire either! I am sure they are as shocked and horrified as we are! :sarcasm:

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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73. Look here...
... for previous arguments on this topic. Not all is as it seems:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1522478

Cheers.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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75. Everything Is Coming Together For Bush To Start Another War With Iran...
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM by Double T
1. Oil Reserves In Iran
2. Sheltering Terrorists
3. Nuclear Threat
4. Iran's Alliance With China, Russia
5. Iran's Threat To Iraq "Stability"
6. Bush's And Republican Controlled Congress's Falling Approval Numbers

Hang on to your children, the draft is coming!!!!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:56 PM
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76. Gee...what a surprise to see commentary like this.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:07 PM
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77. Evidence points to the junta manufacturing evidence to justify
their pre-determined policies. It's ANOTHER set up. Iran has every right to take the actions needed to protect it's sovereignty against a country which has proven it will attack without any real justification.

Any Iranian leader who does NOT do all in his power to protect Iran is a traitor to his own people.

Any US leader who does anything he has to in order to make war on nations who are not threats to the US is also a traitor to his own people. Any US leader who makes war for profit, attempts to legitimize torture and other violations of Geneva Convention puts US troops MORE at risk and is also a war criminal.

Yes, that is right, SS, FBI, CIA and Mr. Rove. I am calling your boy a traitor and a war criminal. But he is the smallest fish in the whole stinking barrel of traitors. He is just the public face on the cancer that is selling out America.

Surely there is one or two public servants in Intel who realize the oaths they took were to the nation/Constitution and OFFICE of the CIC, not to any one individual or group. Surely the lesson of Deep Throat is not lost on the many who serve out of genuine love for country and true sense of duty. Come out, come out, where ever you are. Your nation needs you to call foul on the case being built to attack another nation purely for profit yet again. Come out, come out and save the lives of American troops that are spent for corporate profit.

America needs defending, not from Iran, but from enemies most definately domestic. America's honor needs to be redeemed.
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soda Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:14 PM
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78. hostages
remember when the iranians took over the U S Embassy in Teheran and took all those hostages? how long would it take Iran to roll up Iraq, close the straight of hormuz, and pick up how many US troops as hostages ?
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:43 PM
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79. Yup - this is darned good intelligence.
As we speak, representatives of the terrorist Iranian theocracy are negotiating to buy yellow cake from "Africa."

This time, instead of Joe Wilson, Cheney sent Pickles to verify the report.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 03:47 PM
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80. A little subtle propaganda in the AP link
Note that there are three words/phrases with hyperlinks, set off boldly in blue with a purple icon: Iran, Ossama Bin Laden, and Afghanistan. A nice way to link these three in the public mind. It could be a coincidence, but I don't think so.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:54 AM
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89. You're right; and no, it's no coincidence
There are several other references to different countries, people, and events in that article and none of them have the highlighted hyperlinks. These three were selected.

Bastards.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:42 AM
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82. Intelligence Sees Terrorists In Iran
oh, crap, here we go...


WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence and foreign allies have growing evidence that wanted terrorists have been residing in Iran despite repeated American warnings to Tehran not to harbor them.

The evidence, which stretches over several years, includes communications by a fugitive mastermind of the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing and the capture of a Saudi militant who appeared in a video in which Osama bin Laden confirmed he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, according to U.S. and foreign officials.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_re_us/iran_terrorists;_ylt=Aix5R9sGXiHvb52FFHMStPas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2MTQ3MTFjBHNlYwN0cw--


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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:42 AM
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83. Intelligence Sees Terrorists In Iran...
and under their beds, and lurking in their flower beds. and behind trees, and....
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:42 AM
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85. Its sort of like the way some people see communists everywhere.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:42 AM
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84. I think there's one under my bed
and one in the closet w/ the bogey man.

And why, pray tell, should this B believed when we have all heard the words B4 and we can sing the tune.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:42 AM
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86. "I see terrorists."

"They're everywhere. And they don't even know they're terrorists."
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:42 AM
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87. You talking about me?
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 06:29 AM by RC
And every other person that can see the damage this administration is doing to life on this planet?

This criminal administration says that you are Either you are for us, US, or against us. I sure against almost everything they have done so far and more than likely have a problem with everything they will do in the future. So, even though this country is supposed to be a representative republic that they are running as a dictatorship, that would make me and everyone else that has a problem with the way they are running things, terrorists. That is over half the country and growing. And I have not even begin to address the views of the rest of the world yet.
When do you think they will see a light at the end of the tunnel coming their way?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:42 AM
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88. Filipinos See Terrorist In USA

Protesters burn a mock American flag with the photo of American Luis Posada Cerrilles during a brief rally outside the US Embassy in Manila on Friday to demand his extradition from the US to Venezuela. The protesters are outraged over the United States' tolerance of Cerrilles for his alleged role in bombings in Cuba, prominent of which was the 1976 bombing of Cuban Airlines. - AP

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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:58 AM
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90. Who's our source this time? A guy named Screwball?
Goofball?

Speedball?

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:10 AM
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91. Look into my crystal ball...terrorists everywhere!
OK. we've just admitted we don't have enough jets, but we're going to invade Iran.
The rest of the world will just wait till we blow out foolish testosterone soaked wad.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:43 AM
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92. I am surprised the war game of boosh is progressing so slowly
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 09:43 AM by ckramer
If the approval rating is low, go to war!

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