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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:12 AM
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Aruba police detain 2 in missing-girl case
Police in Aruba have detained two men in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama high school graduate. The two are security guards near the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying and were not among the three men in whose company Holloway was last seen. Holloway, 18, was on a senior trip with classmates when she went missing nearly a week ago.

More, disgustingly, here

OMG, call out the National Guard, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA and every other alphabet soup agency under God's United States, A WHITE, SOUTHERN, BLOND, FEMALE TEENAGER HAS GONE MISSING!!!!!!!

There must be reports minutely, no secondly, afterall A WHITE, SOUTHERN, BLOND, FEMALE TEENAGER HAS GONE MISSING!!!!!!!

(We interupt this VERY IMPORTANT NEWS ITEM to report that another two soldiers were killed in Afghanistan, we apologize for interupting the news that A WHITE, SOUTHERN, BLOND, FEMALE TEENAGER HAS GONE MISSING!!!!!!)
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:21 AM
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1. A little harsh there, Aviation Pro
...but is it news? Dunno. :shrug:
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:45 AM
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12. Yes....
...it's harsh, but with the Jackson verdict coming up, how fast do you think this bit of 'news' is going to last. This is a local story at best and to have CNT and FUX cover it like it's a world crisis (on order with what? The Cuban missle crisis? The fall of the Soviet Union? The Tet offensive? The LA riots after the King verdict (which may happen again based on the Jackson verdict)?) is a testimony to how vapid, how AADD we've become as a nation.

I say harsh is the only way to go.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:22 AM
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2. The family has asked them to post yellow ribbons?
I thought that was being reserved for the soldiers?
Anyway, I feel the same way you do however, if it were my child I would want the same treatment.
However, I know we would not get it either. We don't fit the profile of rich upstanding pugs.
I hope this girl is okay although I do fear the worst.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:27 AM
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3. a little harsh but very true.....
weapons of mass distraction
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:56 AM
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:30 AM
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8. I fully agree, albeit tragic and warrants an "alert" I'm sick ...
of all the hyper-focus. If she's white, and mega intensity if she's a beautiful blonde.

The racist motives are palpable. It sickens me - EVERY missing child is precious, not just white, blond haired little girls.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:01 PM
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15. I wish you would not use the term "cracker."
It is offensive to we who live in the South.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:03 AM
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5. Just heard on Faux news that a bloody mattress
was found in one of those guys' house.
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PDXWoman Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:27 AM
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6. OMG.
I'm speachless. At this point, I guess all we could do is pray for the family.
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:29 AM
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7. Oh wow! Is this like that Juarez thing we hear so much about?
Oh wait, wrong race, wrong place and the perps are rich industrialists.

Nevermind.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:35 AM
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:41 AM
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10. Maybe more than a little harsh!
No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:45 AM
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11. What? If you can't respond, just kindly pass the bong my way. LOL
The news media is wrong for such hyper-focus. Not for the alerts but ONLY focusing on certain *cutie-pie* missing children. It's morally bankrupt and THEY, not us should be ashamed.

My heart goes out to the family of any missing child. Either pay attention to them all or at least show some balance when it comes to race.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:52 AM
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13. Guys they detained were not the last ones she was seen with?? WTF?
Check this out:

"Witnesses said she left in a car with three local young men between the ages of 18 and 25 at about 1:30 a.m. Monday.

Friends have said they have pictures of her dancing with young men at the club.

Authorities have said they talked to the three men who left with her, and the men claim they took Holloway to Arashi Beach before dropping her off at her hotel at about 2 a.m.

The Associated Press reports her uncle, Paul Reynolds, as saying he was told security cameras did not show her return to the hotel that night. The AP says police declined to comment on that report."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/05/missing.teen/index.html
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PDXWoman Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:00 PM
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14. True, but....
Would she have been kidnapped if she wasn't a beautiful blonde? Poor girl is probably dead so all this is moot.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:17 PM
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PDXWoman Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:22 PM
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19. No, You're reading too much into my post.
We really don't know whether she would have been kidnapped had she not been white. We don't know! She very well may not have. I know people of all colors and races fall victim of crimes. Probably more so than whites. In this case...This particular situation.. maybe she would not have been kidnapped had she not been white.

Look, The poor girl is probably dead and all you people are concerned about is media bias? GMAFB!
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:24 PM
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20. I wonder how many teenagers who are NOT white get kidnapped.
Shed a tear for them while you hyper-ventilate on the fate of this 18 year old, HS Senior.
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PDXWoman Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:28 PM
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21. Yes!
How do you know I don't?
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:28 PM
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22. I would shed a tear for any child
who is missing-regardless of color. Your lack of compassion is disturbing.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:30 PM
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23. It's not my lack of compassion but your hyper-focus on one case
You did not read my previous posts on this. Otherwise you would know that I have no lack of compassion for any missing child.

The right wing shores up it's base by bringing these cases to NATIONAL attention.

Or are you unaware that racism runs rampant under the surface of right wing politics?

This has nothing to do with this teen, in particular, but the racist media that pushes ONLY these cases in our faces and hyper focuses on the outcomes.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:56 PM
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29. I am quite aware
that racism exists in right wing politics-I think it is above the surface. However, I reread your previous posts and still sense a lack of compassion for this child. Did this family ask for the "hyper-focus". What would you do if it were your daughter or sister missing?
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:03 PM
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33. "What would you do if it were your daughter or sister missing?"
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 01:04 PM by ElectroPrincess
At this point, you're just contributing to the HYPE of this thread. The only substance is that they've picked up a couple of men of color who were NOT the last people to see the victim.

We don't have all the facts but racism will play A LOT in the continuing updates of this story as it unfolds.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:08 PM
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37. and comments like "cracker" aren't racist?
think about it!
You sound even worse than the corporate media with your comments.
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PDXWoman Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:11 PM
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39. Ignore them, Night.
They may have found her body now. Something is in the Shack.

How sad. I don't understand how humans can be so souless.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:06 PM
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16. I see you watch Bill Maher "Real Time" but your "rehash" is out of context
Yeah, Bill Maher has a great show and he said this exact thing with regards to the"runnaway bride" story.

We're all nearly 100% agreeable around here at D.U. that it's bad policy for the press to choose theatrical pieces over stories that would better merit coverage.
...and we all realize the fact that they more than occasionally use these stories to mask other news that could bring attention to the questionable policies of the Chimp administration.

but you don't have to repeat it 3 times to get your point across.
By doing this you only exhibit total non-concern and non- caring over this girl's misfortune.
It makes YOU look worse than the media!


So--

" A WHITE, SOUTHERN, BLOND, FEMALE TEENAGER HAS GONE MISSING!!!!!!"
How can you over-emphasise the idea that she's white and blonde to make a point out that racism in the media is "bad" ?

An 18 year old got kidnapped at a tourist resort- This is a terrible thing--Who gives a fuck if she's white or purple?
It may be a media "mask" for other news but on the other hand, what if she were your kid or relative?
Would you think it should not be mentioned just because Chimpco dun a bad thing today?
It's called empathy--
i see it lacking in your childish sacasm.
Grow up.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:20 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:00 PM
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:34 PM
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24. That "WHITE, SOUTHERN, BLOND, FEMALE TEENAGER" is someone's daughter.
Just a little perspective here.

And yes, I get tired of how the corporate media hammer stories like this into the ground, but making light of what has happened to this family doesn't help anything.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:37 PM
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25. No one's making light of this ...
But if it makes you feel self-righteous and overly-compassionate go ahead an call us on it. But you should know better.

For shame ;)
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:44 PM
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27. No, not so much self-righteous as sick of the utter meanness and
lack of compassion that some people around here think is "liberal." It's possible to point out the media's lack of focus without making "cracker" comments or racebaiting everyone who disagrees with your take on the issue.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:48 PM
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28. Point taken, and I didn't use "Cracker" - yes, that's correct.
But let me tell you, it ain't race baiting that the right wing that feeds these cases to the media will BENEFIT greatly if this teen ends up dead and it's a person of color that is charged.

That's not race baiting, that's a fact. It permeates throughout southern right wing politics. "The belief in the superiority of whites."

It's covert, but there's no doubt about it.

Yes, you have a point, I'm just getting tired of the sheer number of these cases being "overly" analyzed.

Thanks for the correction.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:05 PM
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:10 PM
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38. apologies are not helping your case-you'll need a little more than that
Your comments are completely out of line.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:12 PM
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40. I was not making a case, but had forgot that someone used the
inappropriate term "Cracker."

Now that's uncalled for and I agreed with QC. My apology was specifically to QC for accusing him of being self-righteous.

However, your concern for my position is noted. :-)
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:18 PM
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42. I am glad that I am not the only one offended by the term "cracker."
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:41 PM
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26. What is sad is that this girl will not be found alive.
This is not like the runaway bride case.
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PDXWoman Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:59 PM
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30. LOL. I bet the runaway bride at that moment wished she werent white
and middle class.

Prayers for Natalie and prayers for all the victims of violent crimes.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:02 PM
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32. A blood stained mattress was found.
Poor little girl never had a chance to grow up.
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PDXWoman Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:07 PM
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36. Oh...How terrible. Not good.
It's now being reported that the mattress was found in a green beach shack, and law enforement were led there by what they learned in the interrogations. Which is odd because the lighthouse beach the 3 guys said they took her to is on the north part of the island.

Her father and stepfather have both been taken to the area of the beach shack.
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phasev Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:04 PM
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34. can we get a little sympathy here? n/t
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:14 PM
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41. Disgraceful posts here
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 01:14 PM by brentspeak
Some girl is missing, perhaps murdered, and we have a peanut gallery of radicals decrying the MSM's alleged sociopolitical agenda.

Like freeperville, but turned inside-out.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:19 PM
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43. Thank you
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:20 PM
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44. OK, then tell me brentspeak, when was the last time a Hispanic or Black
teenage missing, received national coverage?

There's no need for any of us to act haughty. We all grieve and I honestly pray that this young woman is found alive.

But it's also no exaggeration that the media is selective in it's focus. That's not racist, that's true.

Perhaps there's still hope for this child?
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PDXWoman Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:23 PM
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46. We all know its true...
I just don't think it is appropriet to focus on that aspect of the case. This poor girl is more thank likely dead. Can we get some prayers in here? If you don't pray, how about some positive energy or healing energy thrown at her family.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:21 PM
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45. 1) Sadly, many go missing & murdered daily 2) MSM uses constant WMD storys
My heart goes out to this family and if it were my daughter, I'd want the story on 24x7 especially since there is proof that keeping a story alive in the first 72 hours of someones disappearance increases the chances of being found, hopefully alive. However, that said, there are so many people (sadly) that go missing everyday and it would be impossible for such stories to be covered unless there was perhaps a cable channel dedicated to soley that topic.

Then, there is the story we are all too familiar with - the fact that Mainstream Media (MSM) is constantly covering everything else they can except for the corrupt activities and failing war on Iraq from Bush Co.

The fact that this girl is a white, southern, blond, female teenager and that she is beautiful is ofcourse a tasty morsel for the viewing audience, but I don't believe that it is the only reason its being covered.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:28 PM
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47. Locking
Original post is inflammatory.
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