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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:52 AM
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Infants Found in Freezer Alive at Birth
Infants Found in Freezer Alive at Birth

Monday June 6, 2005 4:46 PM
By WILLIAM J. KOLE

Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Two infants whose bodies were found in a freezer at an apartment complex in southern Austria were alive at birth, authorities said after autopsies were performed Monday, eliminating the possibility they had been stillborn.

Two other newborns were found entombed in concrete-filled buckets at the apartment complex last week, but police said Sunday that autopsies could not be done on those bodies because they had deteriorated too much.

The two bodies examined Monday were found last week wrapped in plastic and stuffed into a chest freezer shared by tenants of the building, according to media reports, prompting a search that eventually turned up the other two corpses.

``Two of the children were alive at birth,'' Peter Gruber, a spokesman for the prosecutor's office in the southern city of Graz, told The Associated Press.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5055784,00.html
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:54 AM
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1. Holy crap, so this happens all over the world
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:17 AM
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5. It does, even when abortions are legal and readily available.
It seems pospartum psychosis is not restricted to the US. Neither is garden variety psychosis.

The only thing that needs to be determined is which one was responsible. Sane people don't kill their infants.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:21 AM
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6. This is NOT pospartum psychosis
Once is pospartum psychosis.
Multiple times means someone is a cold but sane murderer.

<<Sane people don't kill their infants.>>

If only this were true. Babies die at their parents hands every day in the US - usually from neglect or abuse. Google "maternal fillicide" and prepare to be shocked.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:55 AM
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2. Birth Control ....why not use it?
the utter depravity and stupidity of humanity never fails to amaze me.

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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 05:42 PM
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12. that's just stupid
it's like screaming at a homeless person "get a job".
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:00 AM
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3. Sickening.
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DARE to HOPE Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:12 AM
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4. It's scared teens, with no one to talk to....
Had a thirteen year old child, losing her step father, then finding herself pregnant. This was in the early eighties, when we had the Moral Majority invade our parish with their screaming anti-abortion slogans.

With her mother, her pastor, and pastor's wife (me) she was able to find a safe, early abortion. This girl is now in her thirties, with three young boys and a happy husband.

It makes my blood boil to think of the suffering of the girls who left these babies, and the babies themselves.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:28 AM
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7. Though you have a valid
point on on scared teens it was not teens in this case.


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Authorities have detained the infants' 32-year-old mother and her 38-year-old male companion on suspicion of murder in the slayings and disposals, which stunned this usually tranquil alpine country.

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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:20 PM
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10. So four babies were disposed of by this couple? What did she
have, invitro-fertilization? Did she have twins twice? I'm confused here.
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DARE to HOPE Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 04:47 PM
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11. Adultery, then, huh? Ugh. Grown ups acting greedy and selfishly....
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:29 AM
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8. I also had a young relative who got pregnant at 13.
She & her mother arranged for an open adoption, so the two children know each other. The mother is now married and seems quite happy. Her child was a flower girl at her wedding.

All too often, young girls are taken advantage of by much older men, and then left to deal with a pregnancy. The girls are deserted by the man who made them pregnant, and then their church tells them thay are awful sinners. No wonder young girls don't know what to do, and resort to infancide.

By the way, history shows infancide - especially of unwanted girl babies - has a long, long history.

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:56 PM
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9. In 1999, 800 abandoned newborns in Texas were left at safe places
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 12:58 PM by Malva Zebrina
meaning the mother or father would not be indentified or prosecuted in any way according to their laws. These were left anonymously at orphanages, hospitals, fire stations and other places. I think those figures are for a six month period, but I am not able to find that particular link. Also, during that same time, fifty newborns were placed into dumpsters and died there from heat, dehydration and suffocation.

Those numbers are significant.

Why does this happen?

and, what happened to those 800 babies? Are there people volunteering to adopt them. Anyone here volunteer to adopt one of them? Although those numbers are six years ago, I am willing to bet that those numbers have not changed today, if not increased.

It would seem to me there are more than 800 evangelist churches in Texas. I think there must be thousands. I am always reading about the "Christians" in Texas--and they are as far right winged as one gets, it seems and they are all for lording it over women's bodies and heaping guilt and preaching sin to these unfortunate women for the express purpose of squelching any bit of independance for women.

Think of it. It would only take a deeply concerned, pro-life, quality of life, culture of life, pastor in every one of those churches, to sign up just ONE family who would volunteer to adopt just one of these babies.

Is anything like that effort going on? If so, is it successful? People who decline to adopt, decline for reasons. Ask them why. And those reasons, I am willing to bet, are the same reasons why a woman would seek an abortion and not choose to bring an unwanted child into her life.
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