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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:45 AM
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U.S. Wants Gitmo Prisoners Held at Home
U.S. Wants Gitmo Prisoners Held at Home

By MATT KELLEY
Associated Press Writer

June 9, 2005, 11:14 AM EDT

BRUSSELS, Belgium -- The United States would rather have detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp imprisoned by their home countries, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday.

Rumsfeld spoke a day after saying he was unaware of anyone in the Bush administration discussing closing the base in Cuba. Hours later, President Bush refused to rule out shutting the facility, saying his administration was "exploring all alternatives" for detaining the prisoners.

Human rights groups and former detainees say prisoners at Guantanamo have been mistreated. The Pentagon said last week that some U.S. personnel there mishandled prisoners' copies of the Quran, the Muslim holy book.

U.S. officials are waiting until Iraqi and Afghan authorities have the ability to deal with dangerous prisoners before handing over detainees from those nations, Rumsfeld said Thursday at a news conference during a NATO defense ministers' meeting.
(snip/...)

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-rumsfeld-guantanamo,0,6090771.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines


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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:54 AM
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1. So US interests in these DANGEROUS and KNOWLEDGEABLE detainees
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 10:54 AM by Inland
will now be protected by Afghanistan. What's wrong with that picture?

"Honey, I want you to have an heirloom ring that belonged to my grandmother and mother. It's very valuable, maybe worth millions. I keep it in a coffee can on top shelf in the garage. At least, that's where it was last time I checked."
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:54 AM
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2. Extraordinary rendition
How is this related to extraordinary rendition? What laws have these detainees broken? More war crimes, but this time outsourced to client states. Genius!

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:05 AM
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3. so all these many years without a trial--no oversight--all the costs and
planning for the military kangaroo courts, and when the rubber finally meets the road, they just want to dispurse these people to undisclosed locations.

Problem solved?
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:43 AM
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4. Rumsfeld plays down idea of closing Guantanamo
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8746126&src=rss/topNews

Rumsfeld plays down idea of closing Guantanamo
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Thu Jun 9, 2005 11:58 AM ET
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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday played down the idea of closing the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, saying such a move would raise questions about what would happen to the prisoners.

"A whole lot of questions come to mind. If you closed it, where would you go," he told a news conference at NATO headquarters.

(snip)

Rumsfeld, asked about Bush's remarks, did not contradict his boss, but said he understood that what "the president said is that we're always looking at ways to improve our operations."

(snip)

"I know of no one in the U.S. government, in the executive branch, that is considering closing Guantanamo," he told reporters, within hours of Bush's comments being broadcast in the Fox News interview.

complete story: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8746126&src=rss/topNews
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:43 AM
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5. If I were Turdblossom Rove...
I would tell Rummy he is never to mention Gitmo. Rummy + Gitmo in a headline = international outrage. I would only use anonymice or low-level employees to talk about Gitmo.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:43 AM
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6. The Secretary went on to say...
That with just a few small changes Gitmo will receive a four star Michelin rating this fall!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:43 AM
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7. A 'no due process of law concentration camp'. A Gulag. USA! USA! USA!
We're listed as #14 worldwide for freedoms & democracy for 2005.

What number will we fall down to in 2006?
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:43 AM
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8. "...If you closed it, where would you go,"
Translation:
We haven't yet decided which of our big business buddies to award
contracts to for the building of a new prison(s) elsewhere.

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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:43 AM
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9. Crawford Ranch is about 1600 acres.. plenty of room there...n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:43 AM
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10. Yes and their are gang members that live there
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:48 PM
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11. Hey, let's not be too hasty about closing Gitmo:
it might be a good place to keep a gaggle of war criminals who lied this country into invading Iraq.
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Patty Diana Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:40 PM
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12. In a brand new Gazillion Dollar maximum security prison, bulit by
Halliburton. How you like dem apples!!!!! Where the hell is the OUTRAGE??
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:43 PM
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Rumsfeld plays down idea of closing Guantanamo
Once again Bush gets his mouth slapped by the people who run the show....


BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday played down the idea of closing the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, saying such a move would raise questions about what would happen to the prisoners.

"A whole lot of questions come to mind. If you closed it, where would you go," he told a news conference at NATO headquarters.

Amid mounting complaints and calls for the facility to be shut down, including a broadside from former president and human rights champion Jimmy Carter, President Bush on Wednesday left open the door to its eventual closing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050609/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_dc_6;_ylt=AgooVO.NmoFc1es9hyiiQuE3NiUi;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:43 PM
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13. All over the map.
nt
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:43 PM
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14. They don't really care about what bush** says, they just talk over him.
As has been said a million times before, bush** does not run the show. He has about as much authority as I do.

It's either Poppy or Cheney, or both, who are pulling the strings. In fact the other day when Poppy was inflicting the possibility of a Jebthro presidency on us my first thought was 'way to keep power in your cold grasping claws isn't you old zombie rat bastard'.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:43 PM
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15. Where would you go? How's about a facility w/n US court jurisdiction?
Well, that's exactly what they were trying to avoid by picking Gitmo.

Fact is, if the Admin. can't keep OUR noses out of what they are doing and who they are doing it too, the admin. would rather let them go than keep them.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:43 PM
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16. Bush should go back to riding his bicycle and let the people in charge
do the talking. n/t
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:43 PM
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17. There is no way Rummy will allow anyone to
close down his personal dungeon.
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