Christian Coalition Condemns Howard Dean for "Racist Remarks"....

[truthpusher]

This has not hit the MSM yet, this is all I have for now:

http://www.earnedmedia.org/cc06091.htm

Christian Coalition Condemns Howard Dean for Racist Remarks Disparaging 'White Christians'
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WASHINGTON, June 9 /Christian Wire Service/ -- Christian Coalition of America condemns the Chairman of the Democrat Party, Howard Dean, for injecting race into the debate on national party membership with his inflammatory remarks that the Republican Party is "pretty much a white Christian party". Meanwhile, the Chairman of the Republican Party, Ken Mehlman, who incidentally is Jewish, has been spending much of the time since he was elected chairman in reaching out to bring more minorities into the Republican Party. Senator Joe Lieberman, (D-CT), said about Mr. Dean's remarks, "I thought the comment that he made about the Republican Party being a white, Christian party was way over the top. It was divisive and wrong, and I hope he apologizes for it."

Roberta Combs, President of the Christian Coalition of America said, "Howard Dean is bringing unnecessary divisiveness into American politics by injecting race and religious prejudice with his inflammatory remarks. Christian Coalition agrees with Senators in Mr. Dean's own party in calling on him to apologize for his divisive remarks. Howard Dean, when he was elected chairman, promised to reach out to all the states that voted for President Bush in last year's election. Disparaging Christians is not the smartest way to do this."

Link: http://www.earnedmedia.org/cc06091.htm

[xultar]

1. .

:popcorn:

[NJmaverick]

74. They DO KNOW RACISM- First hand!

Christian Coalition settles suit
The Associated Press

12/30/01

WASHINGTON - The Christian Coa1ition has settled a racial discrimination lawsuit filed by black employees. The suit claimed that the workers were denied health benefits and overtime pay, had to enter the organization's Washington headquarters by the back door and were forced to eat in a segregated area.

The terms of the settlement were not disclosed. “The matter has been resolved amicably,' George Dounmr, ~ Washington lawyer who represented the employees, said Friday. Downer said he was not allowed to make any further comment.

Ten black women filed the suit in February. They worked in the coalition's data-entry and remittance departments, opening mail, tabulating donations and entering them into a computer database. The women claimed they were subjected to “Jim Crow-style racial discrimination,” including being told to use the back door because Executive Director Roberta Combs didn't want “important people' seeing them in the reception area.

They also said they were forced to use a segregated break room and were excluded from the coalition Christmas party and events related to President Bush's inauguration. They later filed an amended complaint alleging that the coalition retaliated against them for bringing the suit. Five more employees joined the amended suit, including a white man who said he was fired because hp refused to spy on his black co-workers.

In July, U.S. District Judge Ricardo M. Urbina ruled that the employees had shown they were likely to prevail in the case and issued an injunction ordering the coalition not to retaliate against them. Combs was unavailable for comment Friday. She had previously denied the workers' allegations, characterizing the lawsuit as an attempt to embarrass and extort money from the coalition. The settlement comes three weeks after founder Pat Robertson resigned from the grass-roots religious lobby, saying he was getting out of politics to concentrate on his Virginia Beach-based broadcast ministry and Christian university.



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[BronxBoy]

82. Please tell me this is Satire.................

People are getting their privates in a knot over what Dean said. And what Biden and Osama said about what Dean said. And how this affects our prospects for taking back our Government.

And meanwhile, the Christian Coalition: That erstwhile organization who's members make up the type of monothlic body that Dean has been talking about lately and whom is a staunch supporter of the Republican party. The f**kng Christian Coalition, is allegedly treating their Black employees as if they were still on the goddamn plantation. THROUGH THE FUCKING BACK DOOR?????????????

Please provide a link or something. I'd really like to know more about this. And if this is true, I'd really like to know how anyone on their right mind on this Board has a probl;em with what Dean said.

[NJmaverick]

83. Here is the link

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/cc_racism.htm

[BronxBoy]

89. Thanks

Unbelievable

[meppie-meppie not]

92. no kidding and sadly I'm not surprised

[CC]

106. Its not a hoax

http://www.witherspoonsociety.org/coalition_racism.htm


"No one should be shocked by racist behavior on the part of Pat Robertson's organization," said Nadine Smith, a Florida activist and member of the EPF Board of Directors. "After all, it was this same organization that sent activists and lawyers to Florida to help the Bush campaign prevent the counting of thousands of votes cast by African-American voters."


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Now there are reports that a white employee, a former Republican congressional aide and Gulf war Army veteran, was fired last week because he refused to spy on the employees who had filed the suit. The Coalition denies both sets of charges.

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[CC]

105. Thank you for posting this

I had lost the article. I know the white man in the article. He was so mad, and went and told those filing the EEO suit immediately.The discrimination was also worse than the article let on. It was then that they told him to talk to their lawyer and file himself. They ask him to spy because "He got along with those people." The experience did show him that not all "Christian" organizations were what they said they were. Pat and the Coalition never had a problem taking minorities' money. Unfortunately he is still a repuke. Though not as die-hard as he was before. I try very hard to let everyone know how racist they are. Though they are not allowed to say how much money they got, I do know he was able to buy a nice house in Alexandria outright with his settlement.

We are still working hard to show bro the light and convert him. Blivet* has been allot of help there. He may be a Dem by 2008.

[Behind the Aegis]

2. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This is RICH! All I can say...Mr. Pot, please allow me to introduce Mr. Kettle!

[DemNoir]

3. What?

Christain Coalition? Christian News service? Who the hell are they?

Why post this crap? Why? Why amplify the spin?

Whay do you allow yourself to be used?

[Brooklyn Michael]

11. Actually, I think it's pretty funny...

...that the CHRISTIAN Coalition uses the CHRISTIAN News Service to complain that Howard Dean went too far in calling their favorite political party a party of white CHRISTIANS...This is like holding up a video camera to a mirror with the TV behind you......

[redacted]

61. My reaction was to laugh as well.

[renaissanceguy]

110. I'll bet these are the same kind of "Kristians" who

belonged to the KKK.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.21272015

[tk2kewl]

4. These assholes are just too much. Does anyone really beleive them?

No sane person could take a republican seriously when he says: "Howard Dean is bringing unnecessary divisiveness into American politics" :rofl:

[olddad56]

39. Yes, every right winged Christian in this country believes them....

They believe what their leaders tell them to believe. They have been told what to think their entire lives. By their parents, by their school teachers, by their minister, by their politicians, and now by the media. These people make up the bulk of the voting force in the south and Midwest.

Democracy is so over in this country. We would be better off to throw in the towel. Send all of the democrat senators and congressmen home. Start calling our form of government what it is. Corporate fascism. Then at least we might get people to start paying attention. The fascists survival is based on keeping alive the illusion of democracy. And they do a fine job. Most of the people on this board still think they have rights that are protected by a constitution. Most people on this board are naive enough to still think their vote counts. The only thing that counts is our voice when we speak loudly and in unison.

[mitchum]

69. olddad56, thank you for speaking those hard truths

I agree with you completely, except for our voices in unison being the only thing that counts. There IS something else. And I am willing to go down fighting (and not with just my fists)

[BadNews]

118. Actually, that wouldn't work either.

Dems would stay home for one election cycle just as their Representatives did. Repugs would be voted (legitimately) into nearly every facet of office throughout the country. Even if places like NY and MA had enough people show up to keep them out, swing states would all go red. That would truly be the end of Dems as an opposition party. Actually, it may not be such a bad thing as many who now vote Dem would vote Socialist or Green. Then there would be a true opposition party.

Now I'm rambling but I think you have convinced me. Dems should walk out in congress. Then a party with a spine would step to the plate. Wait a miniute... In order for Dems to walk out they would have to have a spinal transplant in which case there would be less need for a third party.

What a conundrum.

[Puglover]

91. Hmmmm

Ed " Repuke Lite" Schultz seems to take them seriously.
:eyes:

[IChing]

5. "religious prejudice" into American Politics?

The Christian Coalition? Heaven forbid if they ever,
ever, ever did that.

[99Pancakes]

65. Gee

Why don't they return to their crusade of kicking science out of the classroom? Where are the Christian Kansans when you need them?

[Lilyhoney]

109. no schools left in kansas

I am not sure there are any schools still in operation in kansas. I have looked at several for sale on ebay over the past year or so. They sell for about $75,000. I fell in love with this one 3 story brick building that my husband and I would have been happy to live in and run our business out of, but it was in kansas.

[proud2BlibKansan]

116. I live in Kansas

and can assure you we still have schools here. There are also a lot of DUers in the Sunflower State.

[Lilyhoney]

119. Glad to hear there are still operating schools in KS

You seem to have taken it personally that many of your states schools have been sold off on ebay. I did'nt put the schools on the auction block, I only considered buying one. After researching the area the school was offered in, there was nothing attractive left except for the school because the town itself was dyeing.

Since you were the only one who responded to my wise crack maby you would be interested in leading the rest of the sunflower state DUers in an effort to do something about the outlawing of dinosaurs in your state schools.

I thank you for your love of your home and your efforts.

[proud2BlibKansan]

120. Trust me

There are a lot of us working on this here in KS. We have a very active DU group. Funny thing is we have lived with and worked well alongside moderate Republicans in this state for many years now. I still think the moderates outnumber the conservatives in KS. We also have a wonderful Democrat woman governor. So things are not nearly as bad here as many have been led to believe. I share a hometown with Thomas Frank, author of What's The Matter with Kansas and I can assure you it is NOT a hotbed of crazy RW conservatives. (Our US Congressman is a Dem who has been elected twice.)

FYI, the state board just agreed on the changes to the Science curriculum this week. They aren't as bad as we had expected. Just some minor word changes. They did NOT ban the teaching of evolution. phew. We still have a battle to fight though. And we need the support of DU.

Thanks for your response.

[Telly Savalas]

121. "Maby"??? "Dyeing"??? "Did'nt"???

You're making fun of the schools I went to as a child? Give me a fucking break.

[Lilyhoney]

122. maby you give me a friggin break?

I am not so good with my vocabulary but I can spell lots of profanity real well.

[tk2kewl]

6. Christian Coalition Condemns Howard Dean for exposing THEM as RACISTS

[AlCzervik]

7. Hilarious!!! Uh-OH, looks like Dean hit a little too close to home.

[MemphisTiger]

8. The truth hurts sometimes

I'm a Christian, but don't get the mentality of some so-called Christians that think we are constantly persecuted in this country. If anything, it's the religion to be right now. Try being Muslim in the US or even Jewish is some places; you're treated differently. I hope Dean doesn't apologize for his remarks because he was right on. Also, Dean never said all republicans were white and Christians, he said mostly, which is correct. Oh well, at least they have moves past the scream thing during the primaries.:rant:

[Carolab]

9. Carolab condemns Christian Coalition for stupid remarks.

And then they play the "religion card" by saying Mehlman is a Jew. That's the first time I've heard them pump THAT up.

And Lieberman is just a disgrace to the party.

[Orangepeel]

26. hmmm... I wonder why they didn't mention that he's gay, too

hell, if the Christian Coalition condemns something, then I know I ought to be for it.

[99Pancakes]

67. Ha!

:rofl: That's true.

[mitchum]

70. Y'know, I wondered the same thing

[anitar1]

48. One would think that Lieberman would get tired of bending over,

He is a swine of the first order. Considers himself a legend, I think. Maybe it is safer for him to hang with the Pugs.

[Sandpiper]

10. Yeah, just because elected Republicans are 97% White

Doesn't mean Dr. Dean should be so rude as to point it out.

:sarcasm:

[Serial Mom]

43. I had to post link to your other thread - it was so good!

See stats Sandpiper posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3821025&mesg_id=3821025

[Career Prole]

12. STFU, Joe.

Senator Joe Lieberman, (D-CT), said about Mr. Dean's remarks, "I thought the comment that he made about the Republican Party being a white, Christian party was way over the top.

Hey Joe! Shut the fuck up until you need to vote on something, and then vote as your party does. Got it?

Oh and Joe? While serving as one of the many who "have Howard Dean's back" I found something of yours there...your friggin' knife.

[ima_sinnic]

13. so saying the repukes are mostly "white Christians" is

"disparaging Christians"? I guess that is known as "disparagement-by-association." hell, I'd feel disparaged, too, if I were associated with anything as corrupt and unconscienable as the Republican party. But these dumb little a-hole fake "Christians" ARE the Repbulican party. So what the hell's the beef? They have the party wrapped around their finger, with Frist et al shedding crocodile tears for a braindead woman, signing anti-gay legislation in churches, and making a big too-doo over gay marriage--all while citing sham "Christian" principles--so WTF is the problem? now you Judases are DENYING that you're Republicans?

[ihaveaquestion]

16. Maybe they didn't know they were white?

or Christians? They're obviously ashamed of something.

:rofl:

[Justitia]

50. Just like calling Cheney's daughter a lesbian was "disparaging"

The truth itself is what is disparaging to these idiots.

[Goldeneye]

14. Pat Robertson's group said this? Pffftttt.

http://www.politicalamazon.com/quotes.html#PR

"Individual Christians are the only ones really---and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob--are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him."--Pat Robertson, defending his stance that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office, The 700 Club, 01/11/85.

I never said that in my life ... I never said only Christians and Jews. I never said that.
-- Pat Robertson, Time magazine, after having been confronted regarding his statement on The 700 Club of January 11, 1985

When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals -- the two things seem to go together." -- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, (01/21/93).

"I am absolutely persuaded one of the reasons so many lesbians are at the forefront of the pro-choice movement is because being a mother is the unique characteristic of womanhood, and these lesbians will never be mothers naturally, so they don't want anybody else to have that privilege either." -- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club (05/28/93).

[Goldeneye]

18. more...

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/revpat.htm

There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.
-- Pat Robertson, address to his American Center for Law and Justice, November, 1993. Let's see, now: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." How could the prohibition against Congress making laws respecting an establishment of religion be anything but the separation of church and state?

The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, December 30, 1981

[dave29]

15. TRUTH TO POWER TRUTH TO POWER TRUTH TO POWER

It hurts soooo bad

[Stinky The Clown]

17. The hypocrisy of this is so blatant there's no need cite a single .......

statement of theirs to prove it.

[derby378]

19. I am so loving this

Howard, don't hold back - tell 'em how you really feel!

[Tux]

20. Yeah

Roberta Combs, President of the Christian Coalition of America said, "Howard Dean is bringing unnecessary divisiveness into American politics by injecting race and religious prejudice with his inflammatory remarks."

Like Falwell et al never done that before. Never during the elections. Sheesh, these people need to grow up and deal with the fact that Christians are getting a bad name dealing with these fools and by forcing their religion onto others at work and B&N. KY sucks.

[Az_lefty]

21. Howard basically called the Right Wing the "Klan" ....

and he's right. If they don't like Howard pointing out the race in their brand of religion perhaps they should get the politics out of their religion and get back to "Real" Christianity.

[OKthatsIT]

22. Christian Coalition ...what is it? Who claims this title?

A bunch of pedophiles is all I hear about, hanging out with these christian groups.

[seshers]

23. Theory: cake and eat it too

There may be a few * followers who wish to change sides. A Democrat (ie: Biden, Edwards, etc) that appears to be more centrist in nature gives them someone with whom to identify. They see these players as a milder, more conservative choice. This could be seen as a good thing.

On the other hand, the more vocal bunch (Dean, Kennedy, Boxer, etc) serve several important roles. Obviously they motivate the base by speaking the unheard truths. AMEN. But, they also act as "lightening rods". By pulling MSM attention towards their escapades, they create opportunities to address the real issues. When played well, they can force the opposition into a defensive stance. Framing the issues and defining the parties character could be our advantage again.

Remember, we have the truth on our side. Don't be afraid to play hard ball.

I Believe.

[AX10]

Zie "Kristian Kolalition" was born from members of the KKK...

and segregationists. Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!

[confludemocrat]

47. Hence this connection detailed here

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/06/family-research-council-and-ku-klux.html

[Bonhomme Richard]

24. F**K Them.

They are about as Christ like as my dog.
Actually he is more Christ like than them.

[JohnnyBoots]

63. Beware of false prophets.......

[wookie294]

25. White Christians don't like being called "White Christians"

LMFAO!

[jobycom]

27. Wait. He didn't disparage Christians. He disparaged Republicans.

They can't even understand basic insults.

[Carolab]

29. No, they just have a talent for twisting anything around to their liking.

And making their ignorant base believe it too.

[jobycom]

32. Well, yeah

I know that, I was just pretending to go along with their logic. Made my head hurt, though.

[jobycom]

31. And another thing! Why do Christians consider being called a Christian

an insult? I mean, Dean said "The Republicans are the party of white Christians." Okay, so if they are offended, is it because they don't want to be called white, or Christian? I don't get it.

(there is irony here, but I won't get into that.)

[Carolab]

33. Again, it's not supposed to make sense.

They don't do subtlety, remember?

[jobycom]

36. Work with me here

I get it, I'm coming up with talking points.

[Carolab]

37. Oh...never mind. n/t

[AValdoux]

28. The GOP Platform includes .....

.... lanuguage establishing the US has a christian nation. This is the argument I'm not hearing enough in defense of Dean. It is in their own platform that they campaign on.


AValdoux

[Name removed]

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[XemaSab]

34. Calling Howard a racist

is SO 2003.

"We need to go after the guys with confederate flags on their pickup trucks, because their children don't have health care either."

"The only way the republicans could get this many people of color in the room is if they had the hotel staff in here."

"The republican party is pretty much a white, christian party."

Yawn.

All true statements, as usual.

Nothing to see here.

[Chauga]

35. When they call the truth racism, you know you've got them scared.

It's the ultimate copout.

[Fire Walk With Me]

38. Um, the CC are exclusionist enough to be called racist

if you want to consider a small group of rich white males to be a separate race, as they're trying to be through law and bullying...

[EC]

40. The only thing that pisses me off about this, is the way

our own party is aiding and abetting the enemy camp...by calling for him to apologize etc....they should have just laughed it off, or not comment at all...but they seem to take the bait every time, just like sunfish and bluegills, I wish they were more like the walleye, or even the perch, play with the hook abit, then spit it out....

[wryter2000]

41. Listen, Coombs, you inconsequential windbag

1) He didn't say word 1 to insult white Christians.
2) No one in his party has called on him to apologize.

[wryter2000]

42. self-delete...duplicate

It wasn't that good.

[Claire Beth]

44. and...

Joe Lieberman is a worthless POS. He needs to go ahead and join the repukes. He jumps to their defense way too much.

[napi21]

45. I didn't think America could get any more divided!

And this is pretty funny coming from the ones who started the divide in the first place!

[donheld]

46. Christian Coalition comdemning racism is like

Nazis condemning genocide.

[DinahMoeHum]

49. If the CCs are "Christian", I'd rather become an atheist.

:evilfrown:

[Justitia]

51. And the TX governor tells gay veterans to leave the state. -eom

[bunny planet]

52. Perhaps the facts are wrong too then. 82% of Republicans in Congress are

surprise.......white and Christian.

How is that a rascist remark. It's simply the truth.
I guess the truth is really offensive to the Christian Coalition.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. This is funny

in a sort of sick way.

[MadisonProgressive]

54. And I condem the Cristofascists without qualification!

[agingdem]

55. Obviously...

Dean is doing something right if he's pissed of the Christian Coalition. You go Howard!

[converted_democrat]

56. That's really funny, just more proof they don't know what the word means.

[lonestarnot]

57. Fristians are stirred up are they? Truth hurts 'em eigh?

[48pan]

58. I used to like Dean, but lately...

he's been an asshole. He's not raising money and he can't keep his mouth shut.

[killbotfactory]

62. Yeah, he's totally losing it

I mean, this is the most money the DNC ever recieved in an off-election year... were doomed.

btw, how is pointing out a statistical fact being an asshole?

[48pan]

73. The Republicans are outraising him 3 to one

The 40 percent of hispanics that voted Republicans do no appreciate being called white Christian fundamentalists. They don't appreciate being hated.

That type of rhetoric may get the left wing energized, but it doesn't raise money and it doesn't attract the moderates. Extreme rhetoric is not the right thing for this time.

Pointing out statistical facts is not being an asshole. Making untrue blanket statements about groups of people only serves to piss them off.

[Kurovski]

78. Republicans out raise Dems

because they are corrupt and engage in quid pro quo for every donation.

The tobacco industry saved billions for a few millions in donations to repubs. Big Oil is like a pig in shit these days, and the list goes on.

Dean raises money chiefly from individual Americans, and has raised more than anyone else in an off-election year WITHOUT having to rely on huge corporate dollars that come with strings attatched.

82% percent of Republicans are white Christians. If any non-white republicans find that offensive then maybe they should switch party affiliation?

You know, part of getting up in the morning in an operating Democracy is waking with the knowledge that you will most likely find something to be offended by. It's much better to make an effort to seek out what is true rather than to fuss over what is offensive, because let's face it, we're all offended by something.

What is the truth of a statement? That's a legitimate question to ask when one is offended.

[leesa]

95. 82% of Republicans are white christians...it's a fact, deal with it.

THEY are the ones who insist the GOP is white chritian. YOU are wrong.

[killbotfactory]

104. Republicans always outraise dems

And just because some GOP members have a persecution complex doesn't mean that Dean was using "white christian" as a derogative remark. He's a white christian, for fucks sake.

[tsuki]

117. Yes, but how much money did the DLC get?

[Rainscents]

108. Dean has raised more money for Dem's than anyone ever had...

Republicans always raised more money than Dem's... This is nothing new. I have no idea what you have against Dean, you need to do your homework before you bash Dean.

[VegasWolf]

59. I'm loving Howard more every day! n/t

[Name removed]

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[killbotfactory]

64. Yes, the GOP is a very diverse mix

of Greedy money-uber-alles white christians, white bigoted fundamentalist nut jobs, and an occasional minority who fits in with either of the two categories.

[mitchum]

66. mitchum criticizes Christian Coalition for being mendacious cocksuckers

[Malva Zebrina]

68. Roberta need to have her hair pulled out by the roots

this is what she and the
Christian" coalition stands for:

Taking Over the Nation

We have enough votes to run the country. And when the people say, "We've had enough," we are going to take over.
-- Pat Robertson, speech given to the April, 1980 "Washington for Jesus" rally, quoted from Robert Boston, The Most Dangerous Man in America, p. 29

If Christian people work together, they can succeed during this decade in winning back control of the institutions that have been taken from them over the past 70 years. Expect confrontations that will be not only unpleasant but at times physically bloody.... This decade will not be for the faint of heart, but the resolute. Institutions will be plunged into wrenching change. We will be living through one of the most tumultuous periods of human history. When it is over, I am convinced God's people will emerge victorious.
-- Pat Robertson, Pat Robertson's Perspective Oct-Nov 1992

We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA.
-- Pat Robertson, in a fundraising letter, July 4, 1991



State-Church Separation: The Big Lie

There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.
-- Pat Robertson, address to his American Center for Law and Justice, November, 1993. Let's see, now: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." How could the prohibition against Congress making laws respecting an establishment of religion be anything but the separation of church and state?

They scream, "First Amendment." Of course, the First Amendment, as you and I both know, is a restriction on Congress.... So it really doesn't have anything to do with what you say or what I say, one way or the other.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, December 10, 1990,deliberately misrepresenting what it means by "Congress shall make no law" by omitting mention of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments, and yet sniveling about the Supreme Court's state-church decisions

There is never in the Constitution at any point, anything that applies that to the states, none at all. The Supreme Court has done it over repeated attempts by Congress which have been beaten back to do such a thing.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, April 11, 1986,deliberately misrepresenting what it means for the states to have the right to decide issues not covered by the Constitution at the Federal level (much which was clarified by the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments)



Supreme Court Interpretation of Law Not Binding

A Supreme Court ruling is not the Law of the United States. The law of the United Sates is the Constitution, treaties made in accordance with the Constitution, and laws duly enacted by the Congress and signed by the president. And any of those things I would uphold totally with all of my strength, whether I agreed with them or not.... I am bound by the laws of the United States and all 50 states ... I am not bound by any case or any court to which I myself am not a party.... I don't think the Congress of the United States is subservient to the courts.... They can ignore a Supreme Court ruling if they so choose.
-- Pat Robertson, speaking to a group of Washington Post writers, as reported in the Washington Post, June 27,1986

Supreme Court decisions are binding in the court systems ... but in terms of general law, which binds every citizen, why should you and I be bound because of the ineptitude, if you will, or the skill of one or more defense lawyers, or the plaintiffs in any particular lawsuit?
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, October 23, 1987. No wonder he couldn't pass the Bar Exam: any decision by a court at the federal level becomes law, binding upon all citizens.




Terrorist Attacks, September 11, 2001

We have imagined ourselves invulnerable and have been consumed by the pursuit of ... health, wealth, material pleasures and sexuality... It is happening because God Almighty is lifting his protection from us.
-- Pat Robertson, oblivious to the statistical (and obvious) fact that no nation or group of people has ever enjoyed a higher degree of personal, political, or economic safety than the Americans enjoy today, Robertson engages the fearmongering typical of Christian preachers by blaming the Americans' lifestyles for bringing upon themselves the judgement of the God of Everlasting Mercy; this is Robertson's explanation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, in a three-page statement released Thursday, September 13, 2001, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)

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We have a court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye. We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. Then, we say, "Why does this happen?" It is happening because God Almighty is lifting His protection from us.
-- Pat Robertson, blaming American lifestyles for bringing God's judgement upon us in the form of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, in a three-page statement released Thursday, September 13, 2001, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001), and from Dick Meyer, "Holy Smoke," CBS News (September 15, 2001)

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We have a court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye and said we're going to legislate you out of the schools. We're going to take your commandments from off the courthouse steps in various states. We're not going to let little children read the commandments of God. We're not going to let the Bible be read, no prayer in our schools. We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. And then we say, "Why does this happen?"
Well, why it's happening is that God Almighty is lifting his protection from us.
-- Pat Robertson, explaining on his 700 Club cable TV program why the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, had occurred two days earlier (but oblivious as to why such nations as Sweden and The Netherlands, both many orders more secular than the U.S. could ever hope to be, are spared such tragedies), quoted from Beth Corbin, ed., Americans United Activist Release: "Pat Robertson Prays for Supreme Court Changes" (July 15, 2003)

But I want to say as surely as I am sitting here today, this is only a foretaste, a little warning, of what is going to happen..
-- Pat Robertson, remarking on the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, even after receiving a personal rebuke from the President, quoted from Dick Meyer, "Holy Smoke," CBS News (September 15, 2001)

This is God's power and he sent this thing to warn us ... we needed a shock.
-- Pat Robertson, remarking on the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, quoted by Robert E. Norlander in a dispatch of September 14, 2001



Christian Government, Robertson Style

Good or Bad, God Picks Bush Because He's Christian

I think George Bush is going to win in a walk. I really believe that I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election of 2004. It's shaping up that way. The Lord has just blessed him.... I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad. God picks him up because he's a man of prayer and God's blessing him.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, , January 2, 2004 ††


U.S. Constitution: For Christians Only

The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, December 30, 1981


Only Christians and Jews in Government

Individual Christians are the only ones really -- and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 11, 1985, defending his stance that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office

I never said that in my life ... I never said only Christians and Jews. I never said that.
-- Pat Robertson, Time magazine, after having been confronted regarding his statement on The 700 Club of January 11, 1985

When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. "What do you mean?" the media challenged me. "You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?" My simple answer is, "Yes, they are."
-- Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 218


Why Hundus and Muslims Cannot Govern

If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality.... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their suffering.... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if they were ever put into practice.
-- Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 219


Christians Are Just -- Better People

I think patriotism, love of God, love of country, support of the traditional family. They believe it would be good for our country if families were closer together.... I think they feel about them more strongly than others do.
-- Pat Robertson, speaking at a rally in Lansing, Michigan, in 1986, having been asked if there are some issues Christians feel more strongly about that non-Christians


But Only Certain Kinds of Christians

You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 14, 1991


Proposed 'Godly Fumigation' of Non-Christians

It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into institutions are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation.
-- Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986


Political Assassinations Recommended

I know it sounds somewhat Machiavellian and evil, to think that you could send a squad in to take out somebody like Osama bin Laden, or to take out the head of North Korea, but isn't it better to do something like that, to take out Milosevic, to take out Saddam Hussein, rather than to spend billions of dollars on a war that harms innocent civilians and destroys the infrastructure of a country?
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, August 9, 1999, quoted in Martin McLaughlin, "Pat Robertson favors assassinations," August 14, 1999, World Socialist Web Site


Immunity from Prosecution: 'God Told Me to Do It'

Gerard Thomas Straub
Writer and TV Executive, former The 700 Club producer

"Here is another example of the way Robertson would mix church and state, rather than keep them separate. Let's say that a Christian thinks God is directing him or her to blow up an abortion clinic or kill a doctor who performs abortions, and this Christian does in fact commit such a crime. In a September of 1984 edition of The 700 Club, Robertson suggested that special church tribunals could be called upon to discern if a believer had in fact received an authentic word from God which compelled him to break a civil law. According to Robertson, if this church tribunal did determine the believer had in fact received an authentic message from God -- how they could reach this conclusion without issuing God a suboena wasn't made clear -- then, Robertson said, the church tribunal would have the civil authority to provide the believer with immunity from prosecution."

Christian coalition quotes from:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/revpat.htm

[Kurovski]

80. Wow, good post, Malva Zebrina

It could easily have been headed "Robertson: Portrait of a Crackpot Asshole."

I read those quotes and had some of the same feelings I had when reading some of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto. The sinking feeling you get as you wade into the depths of a dangerously sick mind that believes it should be followed and obeyed at ALL COSTS.

[redqueen]

98. This post should have its own thread in GD.

:thumbsup:

[Kurovski]

71. Nice fucking try.

:eyes:

If I knew how to post that famous "morans" picture, I would.

[iconoclastic cat]

72. Typical RW/Rove tactic: Accuse your opponent of your own flaws.

What a load of crap.

[Pharlo]

111. K-K-Karl's K-K-Kristians

May not realize it yet, but they have MUCH bigger problems than Howard Dean....

Imagine these fine upstanding racist bigots standing at Heaven's Gate trying to explain worshipping a false idol.

(At least, in the version of the Ten Commandments I was taught, there was no distinction between a golden idol in the shape of a bull and a pile of Bushit.)

[ariesgem]

75. Coming from an organazation that had black workers enter thru a back door

http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.learnathome.com/1113666.html%3Fview%3Dprint&e=912

Christian Coalition Settles Racial Discrimination Lawsuit
George Archibald
Baptist Press News Service

The Christian Coalition has settled a multimillion-dollar racial-discrimination lawsuit by black employees by paying about $325,000 in return for the workers' promise of permanent silence on the case, The Washington Times reported.

Neither side would confirm details of the settlement, reached quietly last week, but sources involved in the negotiations said several lawsuits would be dropped by 12 current and former employees in exchange for the lump-sum payment to be distributed by the plaintiffs' attorneys.

"The matter has been resolved amicably," George Doumar, a Washington attorney who represented the employees, told The Washington Times. Doumar said the confidentiality agreement precluded him from making any further comment.

Roberta Combs, the Coalition's president, did not respond to numerous inquiries and telephone messages Jan. 3.

>>>>>snip

The initial lawsuit accused Combs and Coalition managers of forcing black employees to enter the organization's Capitol Hill headquarters by the back door, while whites were permitted to use the front door.

The lawsuits also accused Combs of barring black workers from an employee lunchroom used by whites and of excluding blacks from weekly prayer meetings and periodic social events attended by white employees.

[killbotfactory]

79. that's rich...

and they accuse Dean of being divisive.

Shameless motherfucking racists.

[ticapnews]

76. Pot, this is kettle... (eom)

eom

[MasonJar]

77. Last night I attended a Dem Club meeting. The topic to be dis-

cussed was religion and government. A lady Episcopal priest was one of the two speakers. She was dynamic. Her take is that we are a diverse country of many religions; gov't should have no say about any of these choices.

[PATRICK]

81. W.A.S.P.

Remember the the good old term for the power elite that kept us in Vietnam? there was no pretension of inclusiveness, no fraudulent tokenism back then- just invisibility.

White Anglo Saxon Protestant. Think how offensive that would be today.

Float like a rock, sting like a wasp.

[Gusto md]

84. Can't you see the logic?

Dems say 'Republicans are a bunch of white christians' - There is uproar

If Repubs say 'We are a bunch of white christians' - There is applause

The logic is so obvious and is outlined here:....... (que the crickets)

[ckramer]

85. Mr. Lieberman, you don't know what you are talking about, do you?

"I thought the comment that he made about the Republican Party being a white, Christian party was way over the top. It was divisive and wrong, and I hope he apologizes for it."

Republican party is a white christian party in core and in spirit, even though there are lots of black or yellow faces decorating the front window.

Mr. Lieberman, have you changed party yet. Let's stop pretending that you are a democrat, 'kay?

[bling bling]

86. Oh, are they offended about something again? How utterly shocking.

Poor little ultra-right-wing-chicken-hawk-profit-mongering white Christian republicans get another chance to feign persecution and reverse racism. They should thank God that they are so fucking clueless about what it really means to be persecuted and discriminated against.

[NuttyFluffers]

87. waaah, our swing voters! oh god, howard, why?

and the christian coalition was sitting on the fence i tell ya, sitting on the fence! we're doomed! we must go back to being ignorable puddles of goo, before we get more flack from "swing voters." waaaahhhhh!

:sarcasm::eyes:

if he's getting under these people's skin, he must be doing something right. and that's all i need to know.

[pokercat999]

88. dear Christian Coalition of America, I know a

man named Jesus Christ. Boy is he pissed at you guys for using his name!

[elperromagico]

90. Dean should apologize to himself. After all, he is a white Christian.

Shame on him for insulting himself in such a manner.

I can only hope that Howard Dean can find it in his heart to forgive Howard Dean. :sarcasm:

[meppie-meppie not]

93. hypocrisy is certainly not a dying art

:puke:

[JNelson6563]

94. They crack me up when they project

it makes them all that much more obvious.

Julie

[meow2u3]

96. Sniveling crybabies

The whining and cries of racism among Christian Coalition types remind me of the bumpersticker that reads:
IT'S EASIER TO BE BORN AGAIN THAN TO GROW UP.

[insane_cratic_gal]

97. Now the truth is racist !

I've seen one of those Christian revival camps.. I didn't see a shade darker then vanilla frap.

I think the truth of the matter is, Republicans are uncomfortable with being called a white Christian party who aren't very nice to certain groups.

He didn't say Christians were bad, he said white republican Christians.. believe me we had no chance of winning them over to dem side. The wedge issues keep them where they are. Maybe it's time to define them. It has been done to us

After all, we are Over educated, cappuccino slurping yuppies, tree huggers, immigrant loving, Christian.. catholic, Buddhist, Jewish, atheist, gay loving, peta, environmentalists, supporters who dislike selfish people. See how big our tent is

[redqueen]

99. Divisive? They're calling DEAN divisive?

Do these idiots take themselves seriously... which would require that they live in their own completely backwards version of reality... or are they just lying through their teeth?

Yeah... DEAN is divisive... not Falwell... not Dobson.

Go fuck yourselves, liars. Dean speaks for me.

[toey]

100. I just have one thing to say

fucking insane!

okay, so i have more to say...how can so many people be brainwashed? are the rest of us just too smart? (hehe) I think so!

[progressivebydesign]

101. Those people are insane. Racist? ob brother. n/t

[leQ]

102. my, how they love to play victims.

[leesa]

103. Why can't we bring this filthy organization down? They are phenominally

corrupt.

[Eloriel]

107. THEY can do what they want, but calling them on it is racism

I see.

:nuke:

[Azathoth]

112. And, of course, Roberta Combs is a rich, white Christian

The irony is probably lost on them.

:eyes:

[Daphne08]

113. Huh? Is there a whiter, more Christian organization than

the Christian Coalition? :rofl:

[NYC Liberal]

114. "I can't wait to hang it" -- Remember THIS little gem?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020121-1.html

Bush on receiving a portrait of MLK Jr.:

THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you all very much for coming. Mrs. King, thanks for this beautiful portrait. I can't wait to hang it. (Laughter.)

I think the Dems should throw this one out on the table.

[proud2BlibKansan]

115. Good news.

I would worry if the Christian Coalition supported Dean.

[dissent1977]

123. So they are offended at being called Christian now?