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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:19 PM
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Sen. Evan Bayh tests presidential waters
U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh's hat may not be in the ring for the 2008 presidential race but the Indiana Democrat definitely has a toe in the water.

This week, Bayh spoke to 150 Iowans who came to Washington on the Greater Des Moines Partnership's annual trip. He promised an August visit to their state, which kicks off the presidential race with its caucuses, and hinted at a trip to New Hampshire, where the earliest presidential primary is held.

It's obviously natural that there's some significance attached to it, Bayh told the Indianapolis Star. It's really not an announcement.

Bayh will be the keynote speaker Friday at the Wisconsin State Democratic Convention and recently addressed Democratic fundraisers in Colorado and Ohio.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:23 PM
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1. Not interested.
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:24 PM
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2. Bayh Bayh
Thanks for playing.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:25 PM
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3. Don't know him. Don't want a wall flower, someone who comes out
in the light and is nowhere to be seen during the heavy lifting.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:31 PM
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5. He's cool though.
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 09:32 PM by Skink
Since the economic hammer has already fallen and they're gonna vote to make the tax cuts permanent before 08 anyway I'd just assume go down smilin.:silly:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:33 PM
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15. He voted to eliminate the estate tax too
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:14 AM
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25. not the brightest cookie in the jar
late spring last year... after Kay returned from Iraq with the 'devastating' info (for prowarriors) that not only were there no wmds, there was no evidence that wmds had been there (dispelling the wolfie: "they were moved" line)... THere is Evan, on tv, repeating the line that only bush and cheneyco still repeated something along the lines: "Yes, I think they (wmds) are there and we will find them."

Psst Evan - noone else but diehard bushies believed that for months prior to your stating it... get the memo.

He was a decent governor - but took a turn to just right of center on many issues once bush was elected. Point being - he was so popular at center and tad left of center as gov of Indiana - that a sitting elected, very conservative Senator opted not to run against him when it was known that Bayh was going to run. Word in most part of the states for the past two years was that his turn right wasn't about getting reelected in Indiana - it was about already having determined he had a broader audience than hoosiers and was trying to appeal to that constiuency - aka Political Opportunism.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:31 PM
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4. Who would want to be president in this day and age?
Even if I were fully qualified for the job I wouldn't touch it.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:32 PM
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6. He voted for the bankruptcy reform bill.
I see that as a blatent assault on American workers. How anyone with good conscience could vote for such garbage is beyond me.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:45 PM
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10. Bayh is a republican but calls himself a democrat.
I'll never vote for him.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:34 PM
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7. Bayh sounds alot worse than he is mostly because he is...
from Indiana (60% for Bush). He wins on his family's name and his voting record is average. As for President, I'll pass, he's fron Indiana and will run a mediocre middle of the road mushy campaign and the GOP will crush him. I say Clark because he, like Clinton will take the fight to them and make hell for the Repugs! Clark 08'!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:03 PM
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11. Hey, don't blame Indiana...
I'm a Hoosier, and I could run a campaign that would make Barack Obama just cry...

Iban Baught for President? Shit no. Dan Quayle was a Hoosier, too. I didn't vote for him either. "Native Son-ship" don't mean shit to me.
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MrTriumph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:40 PM
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8. Jellyfish for President
Dean understands that change is brought on by disgust of the status quo. Senate Democrats went fishin' long ago.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:43 PM
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9. Oy, we knew this was coming.
and the american public will look at him and think he looks presidential and that will be that.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:04 AM
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20. But DOES he look Presidential?
Or does he look like Alfafa? From where I sit, the guy looks like a WIMP (pink tu-tu and all)!


Come on....it's the silly grin. Cute on the kid....but kinda Stoopid on Bayh though!

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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:09 PM
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12. It's going to be Hillary. n/t
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:36 PM
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13. Clinton/Bayh
Works for me!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:06 AM
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21. Bayh will be the soft one out of that pair.....
Hillary will have to do the heavy lifting....

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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:02 PM
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29. I can see that happening.
I've also wondered about Obama lately.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:43 PM
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14. Not interested...
I've always been very slow to respect Daddy's boy types who don't make it on their own, and this guy has shown himself to be the lightweight I'd expect. I don't think he'll get much traction here in Iowa.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:35 PM
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17. Iowa farmers should ask Bayh...
name one farmer that had to sell the farm because of the Death Tax
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:08 PM
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33. We'll definitely do that...
It's amazing the access we get to these guys. We usually meet them in small cafes with maybe 20-30 other people where we grill them pretty good. Kerry was awesome in that type of setting, BTW. What we saw was not what the rest of the country saw. If the handlers had left him alone, things may have turned out differently.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:57 PM
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34. Bayh is totally clueless about reality.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:35 PM
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16. Bayh should take a dip in the White River
If he dies, then he was a warlock after all. If he survives, then we will burn him at the stake for being a warlock.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:45 PM
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18. This is absurd
I can't think of one single thing that Bayh has to recommend him as a potential Democratic presidential candidate. Not one. I would rather have an Orange Traffic Cone (OTC) as the nominee.

OTC for president!
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ls317 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:01 AM
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19. Bayh 2008
Wow


Being from Indiana he isnt a bad guy after all, he did a decent job while as governor during his two terms.
Bayh brings smarts and conservtive lite and cautious( Repub lite).. In some circles which could be a good thing.
Could Hilary run for 2008,Personally I dont think she will if you think back she was hated after winning the first term.
Because she quickly become a favorite of all New Yorkers,there is too much unfinished work for her to do in New York.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:09 AM
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22. The guy's a Pink tu-tu compromising Wimp.....
Is that really good for the Democratic party....or would it be better for the Republican party to have us run Bayh in 2008?

I mean....lookit the guy! He even looks wimpy!

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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:06 PM
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30. Just look around. She's
already running.
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:10 AM
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23. Bayh-McCain in a third-party insurgency!
That was the winning combination we came up with in class.

I just completed a group-project for a senior political science class. The objective of the project was to craft a third party candidacy which attempted to achieve one of three goals (from a project at the Kennedy School of Government):

1) You plan to throw the election into the House of Representatives;
2) Your campaign intends to capture the so-called "radical middle" vote, the bloc of independent voters roused by Ross Perot in 1992; or
3) Your newly-formed party targets the presidential campaign as a vehicle to establish national visibility and as a means of laying the foundation for Congressional candidacies in future elections.

http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/case/3pt/assignment.html#goals

My group was composed of two Republicans and two Democrats, and all of us are on a first-name basis with our respective Congress reps and state legislators--we are very politically aware.

We chose to attempt to win the whole 2008 election outright with the Family Values Party. The idea was inspired by another professor of mine, Ken Hoover (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dstripbooks%26field-author%3Dkenneth%20hoover%26results-process%3Ddefault%26dispatch%3Dsearch/ref%3Dpd%5Fsl%5Faw%5Ftops-1%5Fstripbooks%5F8852949%5F2/002-6255727-5280062), who told me his thoughts on what would happen if Instant-Runoff Voting were allowed--"The most powerful party in America would be the Conservative Christians."

Our strategy statement began this way:

The Family Values Party-A Strategy Statement
This party will exploit the cleavage of voters who share common American political values, and who also feel their respective mainstream parties have made it difficult to express those values in the voting booth. The increasingly polarized nature of national politics has left Democrats wondering, “What, exactly, are the values of my party?” and Republicans asking, “Why do our values have to be so rigid that they exclude any and all differences of opinion?”

The FVP’s message provides a fundamental elegance: The values that made this nation great are neither Democratic values nor Republican values—they are Family Values.

The current turmoil in the Democratic organization would be ameliorated if they could agree on a set of shared values—but they cannot—and party members will depart. Furthermore, since the GOP has successfully conveyed its values to the people, Democrats feel they must stand for something different—even though they cannot seem to define what that is. An opposite sort of turmoil looms for the Republicans: They have so decisively captured “Family Values,” and so viciously attacked whenever any deviation from their set ideology is detected in the ranks, that many party loyalists are uncomfortable with continuing affiliation. This pattern will worsen as the next cycle approaches.

The Family Values Party will reach and appeal to moderate members of both major parties, as well as to the group of Americans that self-identify as Independent. When we succeed, protest voters from the last two election cycles (for Nader, Buchanan, etc.) will join us, providing the final, important push in tightly-contested swing states.

Our single focus will be on the Presidential election victory in 2008, and nothing less. After victory in that contest, we begin the long task of building a majority in Congress, starting with the 2010 mid-term elections.


We chose Bayh as our candidate and McCain as his running mate for a couple of reasons. Bayh is the chair of the DLC, and has a strong appeal to centrist Democrats. He is acceptable to moderate Republicans as well, and in combination with McCain, would tear the heart out of the Democratic party in the 2008 cycle----PROVIDED that the two team up immediately after the mid-term elections and announce the insurgency. This move would start the grassroots fundraising (ala Dean) for a whole year in advance of GOP and Dem primaries.

We projected that the duo could raise from $30-110 million in that period alone.

We proposed a campaign that would triangulate on the cultural and fiscal issues used by the major parties to divide rather than unite the electorate.

For example: (The percentages represent polling data aligning with the third party positions, while the parenthetical numbers are polling data in opposition)

• Stem-Cell Research- This is a valuable and necessary method of investigation into the diseases that have scourged mankind for millennia—it would be irresponsible to turn away from methods of discovery that might save millions of lives. 56% (32%)
• Teaching of Creationism- Ours is a culture arising from multiple traditions, and among them is the story of creation. An education system that fails to recognize such traditions also fails to serve its community—All traditions ought to be included in public education—including the story of creation. 57% (33%)
• Public Display of the Ten Commandments- The history of Western Civilization cannot be written without reference to our Judeo-Christian origins. A public display of the cornerstone of these origins is no endorsement of a religion, but is an acknowledgement of the ethical foundation of our government. 74% (22%)
• Abortion- Our current laws provide for adequate protection of the rights of citizens while also allowing for judicial review of statutes that may be at odds with our ethical center. The FVP will let the Constitutionally-appointed Judiciary sort out all of these difficulties. We propose no laws making it more difficult to get an abortion. 55% (36%)



In our analysis, the Republicans would be crippled from retaining the White House, and the Democrats would be so wounded that they would need an election thrown to the house.

On the other hand, our projections were that the Family Values Party (or whatever name was chosen) would have the best opprtunity to win, gaining 215 electoral votes outright, and having 100 votes left in states we could not project a clear winner in. (We used Hypothetical pairings of Edwards-Clinton for the Dems, and Pataki Gingrich for the GOP)

The whole exercise was merely academic, but I believe that unless the Democrats get to managing their message effectively pretty darned soon, we'll be in big trouble in 2008....
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:36 AM
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24. Yawn, I'm sleepy.
He's better than valium.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:17 AM
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27. Ummm...no....hell no...
Take your presidential bid and stuff it up your ass Evan.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:19 AM
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28. midwest? no way, too bland
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:41 PM
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31. Elpaso!
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:51 PM
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32. He'll get about as far as Joementum did
Wasn't his father fairly liberal, though? I vaguely remember him.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:44 PM
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35. quite: Quayle beat him, and everybody confused the brat with his father
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:53 PM
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36. I think the water is too hot for Evan Bayh...
or too cold. Either way, I don't think he's well suited to presidential waters. I'd like a more active swimmer. One who's willing to do some flips when he dives.

Someone who's willing to refrain from peeing in the pool.

(can we stretch the metaphor anymore?)
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BenDS Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:05 PM
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37. Bayh would probably win the general but
He is center-right and will be much more willing than even Clinton to bend in the wind if elected. He should stay in the Senate and keep the Indiana seat in Democrats' hands (hes much better than any candidate that could replace him). The only way I'd support him is if it comes down to him and a candidate who would go down to almost certain defeat (Hillary).
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:12 PM
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38. Clinton '08
Although I like Bayh too. :)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:25 PM
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39. Empty suit
n/t
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:27 PM
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40. GO....HOME!!!
We want LEADERSHIP, God dammit. ENOUGH of this shit.
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