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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:57 PM
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US Soldier Killed in Baghdad Bombing (#1698 IRAQ)
http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=mideast&item=050611125927.o2wev749.php

An American solider was killed in a roadside bombing in Baghdad on Saturday, the US military said.

"One coalition forces member was killed in action by an improvised explosive device in Bayaa (southwest Baghdad) just after midday," said spokesman James Drake.

The US military announced earlier that two marines had been killed in a roadside bombing west of Baghdad on Friday.

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31 killed this month so far....

www.icasualties.org
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:00 PM
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1. Hey, wasn't there just a thread on here about how since Operation
Lightening the attacks in Baghdad have gone from 10 to 12 a day to 1 or 2?

Well apparently the 1 or 2 are still highly effective and still deadly for some poor American who I am sure never wanted to die that way.

What a Twilight Zone world we're living in.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:02 PM
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2. It is now almost 10:00PM in Iraq....
Baghdad, Iraq
Baghdad is the capital of Iraq
The native name of Iraq is Al Iraq
Current time Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 9:58:04 PM

Does anyone wish to take a wager that the military is actually withholding the actual U.S. combat troop death count, so as to end the week on a figure that is under 1,700?

I happen to believe that the military has kept thousands of casualties from us and that the real number is close to or already over 8,000 dead. Sorry, I don't have any proof, just based on various reports and conversations I've seen and heard.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:23 PM
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5. You should always challenge beliefs that you can't support with evidence
The claim is that there are 6,300 additional dead? More than 8000 minus the 1700 we know about, right? Let's do the math, shall we?

6,300 KIA X 20 family/friend/teacher/comrade/coworker each = 126,000 people connected to these KIAs.

Of those 126,000,

NOT ONE is aware of icasualties.org, or the dozens of news sites purporting to list all the KIAs, OR, if aware
NOT ONE has looked up the name of their loved one and found it missing, OR, if they've looked it up
NOT ONE has contacted those sites (and especially icasulaties.org) to report this defect in the list.

Let's also remember that Nightline has TWICE presented what it purported to be a complete list of the dead for a determined period, so we can transfer those same numbers to NIGHTLINE itself, thus:

NOT ONE was aware that Nightline was running a list of names, OR, if aware
NOT ONE watched Nightline to see their dead relative/friend/comrade/coworkers/student, etc. named OR, if they watched
NOT ONE contacted Nightline about the defect in their list, OR, if you choose to believe that Nightline would then cover that up,
NOT ONE otherwise publicized the defect in the various ways we have of publicizing something.

NOT ONE. ZERO. OUT OF 126,000 (and that is a VEEEEERY conservative estimate of the number of people who would otherwise have known 4,300 different people!) Never before in the history of human events has a cover-up managed to include so many people who have no interest in perpetuating it, and - in fact - have a strong emotional interest in EXPOSING IT! It's a miracle cover-up, a magic cover-up...just like the magical thinking that would allow anyone to believe it.

Is that reasonable? No. It is, in fact, completely unreasonable. It is absolutely absurd. But that's what we'd have to believe to believe that there are 6,300 KIAs being hidden by the US government. So, who believes that?

To counter this argument, many have begun proposing the canard that the US government doesn't count non-citizens military personnel who die in Iraq. Apart from the ludicrous idea that ALL 6,300 of these additional casualties would have to consist of these non-citizen personnel for this theory to make any sense, and the equally ludicrous correlate that the insurgents doing the killing manage to (luckily for the Pentagon!) hit non-citizen personnel at a rate THREE TIMES that of citizen personnel - a contention that may indeed even violate laws of physics ;-) - apart from the further explicitly racist or xenophobic assumption that non-citizen family and friends are less likely to seek the whereabouts of their loved ones and friends or publicize their fate if known (these phantom dead soldiers are often imagined as coming from Mexico and Central America, where people supposedly don't care about their dead or disappeared loved ones! :sarcasm:), I have found that this absolutely laughable defense of the "phantom KIA" nonsense is almost always unsourced, or, if sourced at all, comes from the following article - a website special with no sourcing or evidence of its own: http://www.axisoflogic.com/cgi-bin/exec/view.pl?archive=86&num=14852

Mr. Jubran, the author of the piece, has apparently set this bit of nonsense out into the wilds of cyberspace, where conspiracy minded folks with no evidence or reasonable argument predominate, and source his own unsupported assertions as if these counted as evidence for a claim. We shouldn't be surprised. What's interesting when we look at the thing, however, is the fact that even one of the most staunchly anti-war groups - and one of the only ones supporting immigrants, mainly Latino and Chicano, serving in the armed forces, says no such thing. See the following site for evidence of that: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/22/MNGQ2CSURU1.DTL

Mind you, this is an organization run by Ferdinand Suarez de Solar, the father and anti-war activist who lost his son, Jesus Suarez, in Iraq. Is he too involved in the cover-up? And oh, by the way, his son was a "green card" Marine, or non-citizen military personnel, and he is listed among the official KIAs for the war....
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:14 PM
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3. Holy Shit!
It is the 11th of June and 31 American troops have been killed so far this month. Thirty-one! That is outrageous.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

I keep hoping that maybe the death and destruction will start to taper off, but it never does!!! Stop this fucking war!
I can't even imagine the number of Iraqis killed. This whole thing is so tragic.

GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ NOW
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:20 PM
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4. Good lord- 31 in 11 days?
What an incredible waste, all so that already rich men can obtain even more wealth. Very sad indeed.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:25 PM
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6. I had predicted Bush would get his 1700 by the end of next week
Edited on Sat Jun-11-05 02:30 PM by lebkuchen
He'll achieve his latest goal by Sunday. What a pathetic piece of dogpile our "president" is.
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