Dean Tells Dems: 'People Want Us to Fight'

[Conservativesux]

Dean Tells Dems: 'People Want Us to Fight'

By WILL LESTER

Associated Press Writer

June 11, 2005


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Howard Dean said Saturday that positive responses from supporters have reinforced his determination to keep talking tough despite suggestions from some congressional Democrats that the party chairman should tone down his rhetoric.

"People want us to fight," Dean told the national party's executive committee. "We are here to fight."

Over the past week, Dean described Republicans as "pretty much a white, Christian party" and said many in the GOP "never made an honest living."

Several Democratic lawmakers distanced themselves from their chairman. Republican officials called on him to apologize. After weathering the criticism, Dean forged ahead with the GOP scolding at the meeting of Democratic National Committee leaders.

More at:

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATS_DEAN?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=POLITICS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-06-11-16-10-16

[Just Me]

1. Damn straight!!!!

STOP BEING NICE TO THE ASSHOLES!!!!

Please. }(

[Darkhawk32]

6. Wrong!!! They're FUCKING ASSHOLES!!! Please make a note of it. n/t

[SlavesandBulldozers]

18. welcome to DU Darkhawk

and I agree with you sir.

[Darkhawk32]

90. I've been around for a while now. But thanks for the hello.

:hug:

[bain_sidhe]

91. Only if they're married to another repub. n/t

[AuntiBush]

111. Good Quote!

[Born Free]

105. Myths/Urban Legends are hard to stop

The People of America have been brainwashed to believe democrats can not/will not stand up and fight, they are brainwashed to believe all democrats have no spine and the only way to be safe is to have fighters leading America. Well, the democrats showed America they were wrong about democrats not being fiscally responsible and now with the leadership of Dean, we are going to show them we CAN and WILL fight for America. Those people that believe it's better to be spineless and hide under the table can just step aside, and get out of the road - we'll make a spot for you when it's safe to peek your head out, but at least stay out of the way, don't try to hold back democrats that are willing to fight to save America.

[sendero]

130. I say...

... exactamundo. It's time to drive a stake through the heart of the "liberal wimp" meme once and for all.

People who criticize Dean's tactics here annoy me to no end. What should be do, cower in the corner until the Repugs say it's ok to come out?

Bullshit.

[AuntiBush]

110. I'll Second that! A-Holes They Are.

Time to stand-up and be counted.

[Deja Q]

2. Right on Dean!

Especially for the 2nd comment about an honest living! (Dems aren't perfect either, but the repukes in power seem to be far worse in scope.)

I wonder which Dems are backing away from Dean...

[IndyOp]

25. I love the picture of your dog soooo much I really wish I had

access to a */Cheney sign so I could get a shot of my dogs in a similar pose!

:kick:

[Vincardog]

46. Dean is right Stand UP and Fight the FASCIST thugs NOW

Only Dinos are backing down.

[Lone_Wolf]

69. Which Dems? Your typical DLC sellout... Lieberman, Biden, etc.

n/t

[renaissanceguy]

93. "Dems" not Dems.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.16434716

[ms.airomatic]

78. Howard Dean speaks for me petition online....

Well....just to make it REALLY clear, I signed it and there were, at that time maybe 20 minutes ago, less than 5,000 signatures...we need to step it up!!! No more Vichy Democrats....you know, those not familiar with or who forget history are condemned to repeat it....

"Howard Dean Speaks For Me"

hosted on the web by our free online petition service, at:

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Dean/

[chknltl]

92. Done and done, thanks for link n/t

[Geo55]

132. Done......thanks fer the headsup

[mandyky]

96. the "not worked" comment was in reference to voting reform

and people having to stand in line for 8 hours to cast a vote. That was 2 weeks ago, so why they clump one comment with another is misleading.

[CTLawGuy]

3. yes

we want you to fight! If you want people to vote for you, you need to say something. You need to contrast "you" with "them", and say why "you" are better.

[roguevalley]

4. that is why I love this man.

[Not_Giving_Up]

5. Give em hell, Howard!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Carolab]

7. YES WE DO!

KEEP ON FIGHTING, HOWARD!

Howard used to be a wrestler, you know--does it show?

[Ms. Clio]

8. HELL YEAH, WE DO!!!!!! GIVE EM HELL, HOWARD!!!!!

[femme.democratique]

28. Howard is the ONLY Dem capable of REALLY rallying the troops

He has that going for him....he knows what the Repukes have known for decades - get your base riled up and you will prevail!!!

[Ms. Clio]

40. I really think so, at least at this point

We damn sure need to fight like hell to try to make some headway against the Rethuglicans in 2006--what have we got to lose?

[truthisfreedom]

9. yer dern TOOTIN' we want you to fight! Tell 'em What's What, Howard!

make 'em cry UNCLE!

[Straight Shooter]

10. Fighting back is what gets the people's attention. Get ready to rumble!

Passivity is so boringly pink tutu.

[BillZBubb]

11. Dean gets it! Finally a Democratic Leader GETS IT!!!!!

Now if we could just get the rest of our Caspar Milquetoasts on board we could change the world.

We fight, we win. The reason is simple, most Americans like our policies, but most Americans think we don't really believe in anything because we never really fight for anything. We can change the perception for good.

Go get 'em, Howard!!!

[Eloriel]

30. The reason WHY he gets it -- and this is important -- we told him

What keeps getting dropped from his remarks about that was that he said immediately before "people want us to fight" that $100K had come into the DNC in unsolicited funds over the last few days since this erupted.

WE TOLD HIM TO KEEP GOING; and yes, he listened. He is ONE politician who actually does listen. He does it because that's his nature and I believe he does it because of his training as a doctor. He also does it because he's not a narcissistic, self-serving slob like some of our so-wonderful elected Dems.

[IndyOp]

37. 100K in UNSOLICITED funds? Eloriel post this as a separate message

with a link! I'll nominate it for 'greatest' ASAP.

:kick:

[cascadiance]

67. We did this $100K... I had $50 of it!!

I've got to believe he was talking about this link, which is listing a bit over of $100k in contributions right now that folks were putting in money to last week from here... Let's make it $200K right NOW!

http://actblue.com/list/dnc

[Saboburns]

68. I gave $100

Amd included a note that indicated it was because of Howard Dean, and Howard Dean alone.

[cascadiance]

75. Bravo! Another $87k to make it to $200k!

Let's do it! If we get to $150k, I"ll put in another $50!

[Eloriel]

129. Okay -- hope this isn't too late.

I don't have any links -- just heard him mention it in his speech Saturday morning.

[Rainscents]

56. I thought, I heard him said in interview, he received 100K over night.

Maybe I could be wrong, but I thought, this is what I heard.

[Trajan]

12. Some choice 'Fighting Words' from Harry 'Give'M' Hell' Truman ...

This is a speech Truman gave during the 1948 Presidential Campaign ...

Harry Truman did not bow down to the party of privilege ... He did not kneel before the party of big business in order to gather the few fallen crumbs discarded by the GOP sycophants of the powerful ....

He was a Democrat, and a fighter FOR THE PEOPLE ! ....

This is kinda long: but worth the read ....

Howard Dean ? ... GIVE THEM HELL, and now ...

------------------------------------

Address in Charleston, West Virginia
October 1, 1948

By President Harry S Truman:


Mr. Chairman, Governor of West Virginia, distinguished guests:

For the past 2 weeks I have been visiting the people of this country. I have met
thousands of people and spoken to hundreds of thousands. I think I have been
seen by at least 2½ million people in this country.

I have a vital message to bring to the people of the United States, and tonight
I want to bring that message to you.

The heart of my message is this: The national election this fall will decide
matters of grave importance to every man, woman, and child in the United States.
It will affect the security of your jobs, your homes, and your future.

You have a choice between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.

Within the memory of most of us here, a clear record has been written that shows
how much difference that choice can make.

The Republicans wrote part of their record from 1921 to 1933. They led the
country to depression, poverty, and despair.

It is easy to forget what the black days of the depression were like. Let us
recall a few, just a few of the bitter facts.

In 1932, after 12 years of Republican bungling, more than 12 million men and
women were unemployed.

In 1932 the average worker in manufacturing industries was making 45 cents an
hour -- if he was lucky enough to have a job. In coal mining, the most hazardous
of all occupations, miners were making 52 cents an hour -- if they were lucky
enough to have jobs.

The working men and women in this country could not do much to help themselves,
because the strength of their unions had been broken by the reactionary labor
policies of the Republican administration.

The Republican bubble burst in 1929, and when it burst:

-- There was no minimum wage to cushion the blow.

-- There was no unemployment compensation to carry the working man's family
along.

-- There was no work relief program to help people through the crisis.

-- But the party of privilege was ready to carry big business through the
crisis. It created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation for that purpose. The
banks, the railways, the insurance companies -- they got relief, but not the
American people.

-- For the unemployed, it was Hoovervilles and soup kitchens. Veterans were
encouraged to go into business for themselves -- selling apples.

That is the Republican record. Most of us well remember it. The Democratic part
of the record begins in 1933, when the Democratic Party began to build
prosperity for business, labor, and agriculture.



We wrote into law the right of the working men and women to organize in unions
of their own choice, and to bargain collectively.

We put a floor under wages.

We outlawed child labor.

We created a great insurance system to protect working men and women against the
hazards of unemployment and old age.

We wrote into law a system of price supports for farm products, so that the
bottom would not drop from under the farmer's income the way it did in the
1920's.

We put a curb on Wall Street speculation, and stopped the money changers from
gambling with people's savings.



With these reforms and many others, the Democratic Party brought the country to
the greatest period of prosperity ever known in the history of the world.

Things are far different now from what they were in 1932.

The average farm income of the farmer in 1947 was $725 per person, nearly ten
times as great. In 1932 it was $74 per person.

The coal miner who got 52 cents an hour in 1932, gets $1.94 an hour in 1948. He
deserves every cent of it, too; and I'm glad to see him get it.

And business hasn't suffered too much under the New Deal! Corporations had a
loss of $4 billion in 1932. But in 1947 they had a profit of $17 billion, after
taxes.

These same corporations -- these same corporations now claim the Democrats are
hostile to business. If I were in their shoes, I would want some more of that
kind of hostility.

Today, signs of prosperity are all over the country. I have been all over the
country, and I know what I am talking about!

Farm production is greater than it ever was. Industrial production is greater
than it every was. Everybody who wants a job can get one.

That's the way America is today. The real question facing us in this election is
whether or not we are going to keep it that way.

For all this did not come about by accident. Some people would like to make you
think it did. The leaders of the Republican Party would like you to believe that
the country just drifted into the great depression, and that it just drifted out
again into prosperity. They would like you to believe that the Democratic New
Deal had nothing to do with recovery -- and that the Republicans had nothing to
do with the Hoover panic.



That is not true and the people know it is not true.

The country was driven into depression by the policies of a Republican
administration and a Republican Congress that served the selfish interests of
the rich and powerful business groups.

The country was brought out of the depression by the intelligent foresight and
planning of the Democratic Party -- and above all by following the fundamental
belief of the Democratic Party that the true road to prosperity begins with
looking after the little fellow. The Republicans believe in taking care of big
business first and letting the little fellow take care of himself.

The Republicans would like you to forget these fundamental differences between
the two parties. But during the past 2 years we have been given a sharp warning
that these differences still exist, and these differences are wide and deep.
That has been made completely clear by the record of this Republican
"do-nothing" 80th Congress.

No matter what the Republicans do or say, the Republicans cannot escape
responsibility for that black record.

I know, of course, that there are many fine people throughout the United States,
who from habit or choice are members of the Republican Party. To them I say that
the national leadership of their party has failed them miserably.

I know, too, that among the Republicans of the 80th Congress there were a few
liberal men who joined the battle against special privilege. You can pick these
men out by their votes. They voted with the Democrats in the Congress more often
than they did with their own Republican leadership. When these men went to their
party caucuses they must have felt very lonesome.

The record of the 80th Congress was made by the forces that dominate the
Republican Party.

I thank God that the men who held positions of leadership in dealing with
foreign affairs were of a character which made it possible for us to work
together in carrying out our foreign policy on a bipartisan basis.

But on domestic issues it was a different matter. The Republican leadership
started out to follow the same policies that nearly wrecked the country under
Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover.

Some people have accused me of failing to cooperate with the Republican
leadership in carrying out those policies. Now, I must confess to you that I am
going to plead guilty to that charge. Of course, I did not cooperate in carrying
out policies that I knew would bring disaster on the American people.

But I will tell you how you can get some cooperation in carrying out those
policies -- if that's what you want. I will tell l you how you can achieve unity
in a headlong dash toward another depression. Just elect a Republican President
to go along with a Republican Congress.

Just elect a man who said -- and I quote: "I am proud of the record of my party
and of the 80th Congress."

Just elect a man who said: "The 80th Congress delivered as no other Congress
ever did for the future of our country."

Apparently he will be glad to help deliver a lot more of the same kind of blows
you got from the 80th Congress. But bigger blows -- and faster and more of them.

What did this Republican Congress deliver for the future of the country?

For one thing, it delivered a body blow at labor in the form of the Taft-Hartley
Act.



The fundamental purpose of the Taft-Hartley Act is to weaken organized labor.
Its supporters want management to have the upper hand in collective bargaining.
Do you know why? They want management to have the upper hand so that wages can
be driven down.

What else did the Republican Congress deliver for the future of our country?

It delivered a body blow at nearly a million workers by taking away their social
security rights.

It delivered a body blow at millions of our veterans by refusing to provide a
decent housing program.

It delivered a blow at every family in the Nation by failing to act on high
prices.

What else did the Republican Congress deliver for the future of our country? It
delivered a whole long list of blows at every foundation of our present
prosperity and at our hopes for progress in the future. I can't cover them all
tonight, but I will tell you about just one more.

That is the rich man's tax relief bill.

The Republican Congress passed a tax bill that reduced the revenues of the
Government by more than $5 billion. That Congress passed it three times and I
vetoed it every time. But on the third try, they passed it over my veto.

I believed that the safety of our national finances required that we make large
payments on the public debt in times of prosperity. I still think so.

But the Republican rich man's tax relief bill has brought us face to face with
the prospect of going into the red again.

I believed that when the wartime taxes were reduced, the poor man should be
relieved first and most. I still think so. But the Republican tax bill doesn't
work that way.

I warned that the tax reduction bill would add to the inflationary pressures and
make prices go even higher. And it did.

For most of you, the tax bill hasn't helped a bit. If you make $60 a week, your
taxes were reduced about $1.50 a week. But since May, when that $1.50 began to
show up in your pay envelope, prices have gone up so much that the $1.50 is
already wiped out.

The rich man fared much better under the tax bill. A married couple with an
income of $100,000 a year got a tax cut of $16,725 a year -- $16,725 a year!
That's about $12,000 more than my net salary as President of the United States.

Of course, prices haven't gone up for them any more than they have for you. So I
would say that they came out pretty well.

Is it any wonder that we call this a rich man's tax relief bill?

That's typical of the way the Republican 80th Congress delivered for the future
of the country. Some time later, I am going to elaborate on just exactly what
they did with the budget this year. And it fits in with this rich man's tax
relief bill. It's outrageous what they did to the country on that.

That Congress delivered for the interests that had their lobbyists swarming all
over the Capital. It delivered for special privilege groups that put up the big
money at election time.

They are doing that right now in this election. That same bunch of lobbyists and
people whom they represent are paying for the Republican campaign right this
minute.

Now, they passed a great many bills, which I vetoed. There is only one President
who has a greater veto record than I have, in the short time that I have been
President, and that is Grover Cleveland; and I am proud of that veto record,
because I was standing there working for the people, when I was signing those
vetoes.

But they passed a great many -- not a great many, but several -- among them this
tax relief bill and the Taft-Hartley bill. They passed those bills over my veto.

But when a bill becomes the law of the land, the President of the United States
has sworn to enforce the law, and as President of the United States, I have
lived up to that oath which I took to support the Constitution and the laws of
the United States.

But if you want these bad things remedied, you had better give me a Congress for
the next 4 years that is working for the people and not for the special
interests.

Now, if you want unity and harmony and sweetness and light in getting more
deliveries of the kind I have been describing, just shut your eyes and vote
Republican.

But if you want something delivered for labor, if you want something delivered
for the farmers, and if you want something delivered for the small businessmen,
and for the white-collar worker -- there is just one way you can make your vote
count. Vote the Democratic ticket.

Today, the Democratic Party is the party of the American people. It was the
party of the people under Jefferson and Jackson. It was the party of the people
under Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.

Today, we of the Democratic Party express the will of the American people to
move forward, under liberty, yielding neither to communism nor to reaction.

Today, the Democratic Party stands before the country a living force for peace
and freedom.

Today, we are rallying our forces for the greatest struggle in our history. In
that struggle, I ask your support.

Just give us the votes on election day, and we will do the job.



----------------------------------------------

WHERE are the firebrand populists of today's Democratic Party ? ...

Truman spoke TRUTH to power, and wiped them on the floor like an old mop ....

Joe Biden and other pink tutu Dems ? ... FIGHT FOR US ! ... damnit .... or get the hell outta the way ....

[patricia92243]

17. Wonderful! Makes me proud to be a Democrat. If we can get these sentimen

sentiments across to the public, Democrats will be in the driver's seat.

[Blue_In_AK]

21. I always liked old Harry

...I don't care what anybody says.

[malaise]

32. Only when the Democratic party

returns to its roots and exposes the incestuous relationship with those beholden to corporations will its base be energized. Go Howie.

Thanks for that great Truman address. These speeches should be played on AAR to remind all of the party's record and wake up the base.

[Iowa]

57. Wow Trajan! Great post!

Truman could be speaking today! Almost every word in that speech still applies.

I'm in my 50s and my grandparents are long gone. When that generation died, and as the WW2 generation gradually leaves us, we must fight the same battle without the help of the people who lived through it. And our children and grandchildren may be forced to endure the havoc that will be caused by the same failed Republican policies my parents and grandparents endured until they were able to crush the beast. How I wish they were all still here to help us prevent the damage that is being done. But I am encouraged by your post. Previous generations faced the same evil and defeated it; we can too.

Go Dean!

[BigBearJohn]

64. (((EXCELLENT)))) == SENT TO ALL MY FRIENDS. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

YOU ROCK!

[proud2BlibKansan]

85. Good ole Harry

Thanks for posting this.

[Barkley]

114. Amazing!!!!!!! A President that can speak in complete sentences...

... and Republicans have the nerve to call themselves the 'Party of Lincoln'

[patricia92243]

13. Our lucky day was when he entered politics, Democrats that are

"backing away" from him, need to back right out thru the door- good bye and good riddance.

[slay]

49. I couldn't have said it better myself

:)

[DeepModem Mom]

14. You speak for me, Doc -- keep talkin' and FIGHTIN'!!!

We've got a country at stake here.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

15. As always Howie, you are correct sir

Stay on track Doc.

[bpilgrim]

16. WE GOT YOUR BACK, Dr. Dean!

http://images.globalfreepress.com

peace

[sasquatch]

27. Damn straite we do

[Pastiche423]

19. For, at least, the last four and a half years

we have been begging someone to fight for and w/us. Time after time, after time, most of us here have denigrated the pink tutu wearing Dems.

Keep on fighting Chairman Dean! The Dem Party and our country needs you to continue to stand up and speak out for us!

[ClintonTyree]

20. Let the DINOs distance themselves....

we need to separate the wheat from the chaff anyway. And yes, WE WANT SOMEONE THAT WILL FIGHT AND NOT BACK DOWN! There's been entirely too much capitulation by Democrats in the past 15 years or so. If some of the DLC and DNC want Dean to "back off", they can kiss my ass. They'll never get another dime or a minute of support from me. It's time to stand up and fight or get the hell out of the ring.

HOWARD DEAN WILL FUCK YOUR SHIT UP! ;)

[susu369]

39. Bulls-eye

Those who "distance themselves" simply reveal those I can write off forever.

Love Howard Dean - always have, always will.

[Cha]

22. These Dudes agree with Dean..

"LET DEAN BE MEAN"
http://10000birds.com/


"Dean Just Told Them The Truth and They Thought It Was Hell"

by Thom Hartmann

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0610-28.htm

[ixion]

23. GIVE'EM HELL HOWARD

He's one of the only dems who's actually supplying an opposition.

:applause: :woohoo: :applause:

[DemGa]

24. Fight'em Dean! and Thank You!!

[HardWorkingDem]

26. Email I just sent to Howard Ford......Blowdry Biden is next...

Dear Rep. Ford,

I was greatly disappointed to read of your comments in regards to Howard Dean's comments. Frankly, what he did was speak the truth and for fellow Democrats to attack him for doing such a thing shows why our great party is in danger of remaining a minority party.
Please refrain from attack the chair of the DNC in public. I have never seen ANY republican attack a fellow republican like the Democrats have attacked Howard Dean.
I do know what your intentions were when attacking Howard Dean, but to do so only marginalizes the DNC.

We need backbone, we need new members, we need to show that the Republican Party is a white, Christian Party and is truly not interested in reaching out to others.
Please support the chair of the DNC in word and deed,

Sincerely yours,

[Eloriel]

43. SUPERB letter --

(And for future reference, it's Harold Ford. Just so you know.)

Really terrific and spot on letter. Thanks for sharing it with us.

[HardWorkingDem]

60. oops.....knew that....

must have been the blood in my eyes......

[Cha]

131. You'll be interested in this

then!

"LETTER FROM MEMPHIS"
KENNETH NEILL | 6/12/2005


CONGRESSMAN FORD'S 'FAITH AND VALUES'

Ford’s "faith and values" led him to support, along with 85 of his House Democrat colleagues, a War Powers Act in the fall of 2002 that was clearly unconstitutional. He voted for legislation that not only violated his oath of office; it sanctioned an illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq that may yet go down the greatest foreign-policy debacle in our history.

His "faith and values" led him to vote for the Bush Administration's almost equally immoral bankruptcy legislation earlier this spring. He was one of a handful of Democrats who voted in support of this obscene measure – one that made no exceptions for medical hardship, for example – even while his own Congressional district has some of the highest poverty levels in the country.


Much more at..
http://www.memphisflyer.com/content.asp?ID=3279&onthefly=1

[leQ]

29. from north iowa : STANDING OVATION (eom)

[NVMojo]

31. I'm tired of all the Democratic limpies. Go Dean!!!!

[IndyOp]

33. Support Dean with a contribution to DNC ending in 1 cent...

Financial contributions to the DNC of $10.01; $20.01; $50.01 and so forth indicate support for Dean. Now that some DNC fundraisers who have been in bed with big business are walking -- we need to support Dean's work until the DNC learns how to do things differently.

<https://www.democrats.org/support/index.html?dsc=NETA249>

:woohoo:

[Todd B]

41. I set up a monthly donation as long as we have Dean:

As soon as this "controversy" (at least according to the media) occured, I set up a monthly reoccuring contribution for 20.06 - I figured this was a good message to send that I was looking forward to 2006.

Do you think that a major political party could exist without catering to big business but rather only accepting contributions from the grassroots? I know that the Green Party doesn't accept corporate contributions, but do you think one of the two major parties could survive? (ok, obviously talking about the DNC here since there is no chance in hell the republicans would give up their corporate base).

Just curious! :)

[IndyOp]

53. I don't know if the Dems can survive without corporate

donations. I think that some corporations will come around over time - really, not being sarcastic here - if people put enough pressure on.

Don't forget <http://www.buyblue.org/> - and if you switch stores/companies from red to blue be sure to write the red companies and tell them why you switched.

:kick:

[leQ]

62. do you REALLY believe that corporate aint gonna latch onto a winning team?

if dean continues to build the support i'm sure he's capable of building, don't you think corporate is gonna see that there's some winning to be done with all that support? dean's followers are positive motivators. corporate moneybags would be foolish to not invest in that.

contrary to popular belief, it's not corporate who sets the tone, but the customers who dictate what gets put on the shelf. they need to see the light that dean is shining. along the way, they could use a few straps on the backside like how joan vennocci did in the boston globe today.

[IndyOp]

84. Thanks for saying what I was trying to say in response to Todd B's

question about whether Dems could survive without corporate. I think corporations (the one's with US citizen customers, rather than government customers) will support the winning team.

:kick:

[Todd B]

100. This is in reply to the three responses:

Thanks for answering my questions.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against corporations in general (although many of them do have unscrupulous dealings), but I just hate how they can hijack the political scene and corrupt a party in to serving the needs of special interests and not the grass roots citizens.

I will definitely start letting companies know that I switched to a more "blue"/progressive company - that is a great idea. I've already been trying to shop according to the buyblue.org ratings anyway, but I didn't think to let the companies know.

I would think that the Democratic Party has to find a balance between individual donors and corporate donors - in such a way that will still allow the grass roots minority to control the direction of the party rather then corporate special interests. Maybe we could try and only accept corporate donations from companies that have proven that they have helped progressive cause/movement in some way?

[nolabels]

95. Abolish Corporations

Published on Friday, April 19, 2002 by CommonDreams.org
Toppling the Corporate Aristocracy
Marjorie Kelly Dismantles a Major Premise of Capitalism and Makes the Case for Creating More Democratic Corporations
Interview by Robert Hinkley

OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC SYSTEM IS AN ARISTOCRACY, according to Marjorie Kelly. Think British rule of the American colonies. It's based on the divine right of kings: The interests of the king are paramount; the aristocracy alone has a say in government.

At the center of the economic aristocracy we have today is the corporation, its authority based on the divine right of capital. Shareholders are king and their interests reign supreme. The aristocracy's primary goal is to pay shareholders as much as possible and pay employees as little as possible. The public good is ignored.

"Voluntary change by progressive business people would transform capitalism," Kelly used to say. Now, she writes in her new book, The Divine Right of Capital (Berrett-Koehler 2001), she believes that lasting improvement will only come by changing and amending the form and rules governing corporate operations.

Just as we once democratized government, Kelly argues, we must now democratize economics. To her this means, in part, genuine empowerment of employees. "Corporate wealth belongs to those who create it," she writes, and, in the knowledge economy of the twenty-first century, more corporate profit is generated through the efforts of employees than by the capital of shareholders. She believes that funneling profits solely to shareholders is a misallocation of resources inconsistent with free-market principles.
(snip)
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0419-09.htm

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. Get out the torches and pitchforks! Storm the battlements!

THANK YOU, HOWARD DEAN! And to hell with the lily-livered appeasers who are "distancing" themselves. Get a clue, asshats: We like Dean, who isn't running for office. And we don't like you -- and you want to get re-elected. Don't hold your breath, Biden, Landrieu, Nelson; better get ready to pack up your pink tutus and head for home.

[HardWorkingDem]

35. Guess what?

Just sent an email to Blowdry Biden - look at the far left image on his Thank You page.....

http://biden.senate.gov/contact/thankyou.cfm

No wonder he attacked Howard Dean....


The link might not work - but the image is of Biden and Colin Powell glad handing each other.....what a joke...

[Oreegone]

36. Sign this petition of support and pass it on

To be sent to Congressional leaders from Daily Kos. Lets let them know we support our leader..

http://www.petitiononline.com/Dean/petition.html
:party:

[Just Me]

38. Wish I could add: "If you're not willing to FIGHT for me,...

,...just get out of the way. I won't even criticize you for doing so!!!!"

[acmavm]

59. We need more signatures. Start a thread on it maybe.

"3754 Signatures Total"

[Piperay]

73. Just signed

THANKS! :thumbsup:

[Polemonium]

89. Signed and passed on.

Dean gives us representation.

Biden et al. give us answers from personal opinion, or K street, or political strategic fear, or ...

Stange thing is, that in a Democracy, it's we the people that want representation.

Thanks for giving me my voice back Howard.

[Robeson]

42. Thanks Howard! I will not support Neville Chamberlain Democrats...

Mr. Dean, keep fighting the good fight.

[cal04]

44. Democratic Leaders Back Dean, Don't Want 'Wimp'

Democratic National Committee leaders embraced feisty party boss Howard Dean on Saturday and urged him to keep fighting despite a flap over his blunt comments on Republicans.


After a meeting of the DNC's 40-member executive committee at a downtown hotel, members said Dean was doing exactly what they elected him to do -- build the party in all states and aggressively challenge Republicans. ``I hope Governor Dean will remember that he didn't get elected to be a wimp,'' said DNC member Gilda Cobb-Hunter, a South Carolina state representative. ``We have been waiting a long time for someone to stand up for Democrats.''

`Howard Dean is going to be much more aggressive, much more outspoken and much more of a risk-taker outside the Beltway than any chairman has been. We knew that,'' said Alvaro Cifuentes, chairman of the DNC Hispanic caucus.

Karen Marchioro, a DNC member from Washington state, said she was stunned to see so many congressional Democrats back away from Dean. ``We always defend them, why won't they defend us? And they want us to support them for president?'' she asked. ``I have no desire to lose, I just think this is the way you win -- you let people know where you stand and you fight.'' Cobb-Hunter said Dean ``should consider the source -- congressional Democrats. What's their track record? He's doing what a lot of us wanted him to do and expected him to do.''

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-dean.html

[slay]

48. Glad the higher-ups are finally starting to see the light

They tried to be Republican-lite and failed miserably. Maybe now we can get back to real issues that matter to ALL PEOPLE - not just corporations and fringe groups. :)

[progressivebydesign]

45. As always, Howard Dean speaks for me!!!

That's why I was so enthusiastic about his candidacy last year. I LOVE a straight-talker. It is SOO completely ironic that one of the reasons Bush is popular with people is the impression that he is a "straight talker". The other Democrats apparently don't have a freakin' clue how to win an election anymore. People want someone who can speak out, and can do it in fairly short sentences.

[Todd B]

102. Someone needs to create a few buttons with this phrase!

Someone who is savvy with these things needs to create a set of buttons (etc) with this phrase on it so we can wear it proudly.

And we could donate all the money made directly to the DNC with a note. What better way to let Gov. Dean know that we have his back!

[slay]

47. Thank you Howard Dean!!

Finally - someone who will STAND UP AND FIGHT these Republican assholes. :yourock:

[bvar22]

50. Those Democrats who are "backing away" from Dean....

WILL BE LEFT BEHIND!!!!

JOIN US,
GET OUT of the WAY,
or
GET TRAMPLED!

[ClayZ]

122. RIGHT ON!

GIVE 'EM HELL, HOWARD!



:kick:

[tsuki]

51. Sounds like he's describing Tex to me. Go Dean! eom

[shanti]

52. he hears us!!!!

way to go, howard! tell it like it is!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

54. Agree 100%!!

[insane_cratic_gal]

55. Thank you Howard!

Someone who finally gets it.

[Rainscents]

58. YES, YES, YES!!! He is listening to us!!!

Gov. Dean... We are here for you!!!
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :yourock: :yourock:

[Davis_X_Machina]

61. Hit 'em with the chair! Hit 'em with the chair! n/t

[Gregorian]

63. Had I known, I'd have voted Dean in the primary.

Everyone I talk to is cheering Dean on.

Hear us DEAN! We want more of your strength, to fight the fascist wannabes!

[BigBearJohn]

65. I think the Dems are tired of cream puffs. Dean is telling it like it is.

I think one of the reasons Bush did as well as he did (aside from
the vote fix) was because he did a good imitation of a "man" --
he walked the walk and talked tough (not bad for a primate).

This time, maybe we can get a man who can talk tough
but also have some wisdom to temper that toughness.

[quaker bill]

66. Bravo Howard, this is way past due.

If we want to run the country, it is about time we start speaking the truth and acting like we believe in ourselves.

[Piperay]

70. You better believe it!!!

and the Democrats aren't getting another dime from me until they show they have backbone!

[xxqqqzme]

71. now we need Reid 2 start

crackin' heads in the Senate and we MIGHT have a chance.

Not ONE democrat should have opened their mouth in criticism of Dean last week - NOT ONE!!!! Until they 'get it', we R screwed. Reid needs 2 keep them on a short leash - especially 'both side of my mouth' biden.

Oh, 'n BTW, someone please tell ed schultz 2 STFU! I am tired of sending him emails!

[Rainscents]

74. I second that!! He (Ed) is harming our party more than he does good.

I am pissed at him right now, I can't see straight.

[cascadiance]

76. And why is it that Air America is letting he and Colmes not have

any decent competition in their time slots, by shutting down the likes of Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes then from being live on satellite radio with the XM deal (even with their affiliates)! I still wonder if Danny Goldberg is on someone else's payroll too!

[Rainscents]

81. Interesting thought. AAR is not be on Sriuis either... I have no idea why.

I do at least get Mike Malloy and Al live here in Seattle. Too bad Randi is delayed. Ed is on live here. Yuk!

[xxqqqzme]

83. U lost Mike 2

schultz & colmes? that really sux!

[cascadiance]

88. Well, Sirius who was the only one carrying their entire shows...

just got "axed" with Goldberg's move, so yes, WE ALL lost Malloy and Rhodes, at least with what's publicly announced. I keep hearing rumors that XM is going to move them (Colmes and Schultz) off onto another channel and restore Malloy and Rhodes back there, but haven't seen anything substantive in that area yet. I'll believe it when I see it, and I still don't feel like trashing my car stereo and getting a new one and XM service just because Danny Goldberg feels like I should!

I was hoping to get KLSD here in San Diego instead for some of the shows. They just revamped their night time lineup, but the idiots are putting in a repeat of Jerry Springer instead of the first two hours of Malloy and only giving him an hour starting at 9:00 PM. They already were repeating Randi Rhodes from 3-7 PM (at a time when I'm not out to lunch or driving home) so about the only hour of live talk radio they have in the evening is 9:00 PM with Malloy.

I sent a note to their station management asking for an explanation for what looked like a brain-damaged strategy to me, and his response was:

"...we want to give Springer on the Radio a chance to see how it does....it does bring us a lot of curious listeners to check us out...and we do hope to expand Malloy..."

How about wanting to give Malloy on the Radio a chance to see how it does too! He was given an award for best talk show host as I recall! Shows where their priorities are. Probably would have said the same thing about Schultz in comparison to Rhodes too!

[Sparkly]

72. You bet I want you to fight!!

[gordianot]

77. When in a war you need to fight, this is a politcal war.

Dean needs to say what needs to be said.

[Catfight]

79. Dean is a 100% correct, when he's right he's right on! nt

[AX10]

80. Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Americans are looking for an alternative to Bush. We are the alternative. We are "A Better America"!

[ecoalex]

82. HELL YA !

WE WANT TO FIGHT !

[bluestateboomer]

86. Go Howard!

I am tired of only being on the receiving end of the political war. I support someone who can dish it out as well.:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[lateo]

87. Indeed...

I see a glimmer of hope in the Democratic party now. I'm trying not to get too excited about it though.

[damntexdem]

94. Tell it like it is, Howard!

Help the Dems grow some spines.

[Donailin]

97. SUPPORT DEAN THROUGH THIS WEBSITE!

http://www.democrats.org/action/200502150001.html?psc=web

The official DNC webiste with petition page exclusively in support of Dean

[Spiffarino]

101. Done. Here's my comment:

Chairman Dean,

Every time you get "dissed" by members of the Democratic Party for speaking the truth about the Republican party, its leaders, and its punditocracy, you can expect a donation to the DNC from yours truly.

Keep on fighting for us. We've got your back.

Spiffarino

[Doremus]

98. SAY IT LOUD & KEEP SAYING IT DR. DEAN!

Show them how it's done -- BY TAKING A STAND AND NOT BACKING DOWN.

i.e. do what the neopukes do.

[Algomas]

99. Howard, please give a speech about gullible repuke voters...

Something like: Wake the hell up you dopes. You have been swindled by devils in disguise. The war is a lie, ending social security is a lie, tax cuts for the rich is a lie, protecting the environment is a lie, they hate us for our freedoms is a lie, 911 is a lie, the elections were a lie, their religion is a lie. etc.etc.etc...
The truth is this: in the name of the flag and the cross, these criminals and traitors have stolen the treasure of America and given it to themselves and the foreign corporations who paid for their rise to power. They will happily sacrifice your children to further their economic gain. They have twisted your democracy into fascism and you let them get away with it.
Wake up...wake up...wake up.

I would love to hear the CarTalk guys give this speech! What a great FUGWB to NPR that would be.

[DearAbby]

103. DOSE OF TRUTH....PRN Doctor! = AS NEEDED

I love this man, keep speaking the truth, by gawd, you speak for me!

yeeeeeeee haaaaaaa

[farmboxer]

104. I've Been Waiting For Years

to see Dems fight back for a change! The corporate media got rid of Dean because they were afraid of him. All Dems have to do is tell the truth, Republicans have to lie!

The truth to a Republican is like a cross to a vampire!

[Glenda]

112. "The truth to a Republican is like a cross to a vampire!"

LOL!! THat is so true!

[anotherdrew]

106. FIGHT the DARKNESS!

FIGHT the DARKNESS! Go not quitely into the night, RAGE! rage! againt the dieing of the light! RAGE!

Not one of us has one damn thing to loose, give it all give it now stand up tall and push the darkness back into it's ever waiting grave.

[ckramer]

107. Democrats as a whole is lacking some backbones

Just look at how many of them voted for the senseless war. Well probably they knew it's wrong, but still their congress career interest went first than that of national interests.

Now Howard Dean, showing his leadership, can start to change that.

As long as he's telling the truth, the louder the better.

EEEeeeeeyyaaaaaaaaaaoh!

[UDenver20]

108. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

FIGHT DEAN!!! and FIGHT JOHN CONYERS!!!

add to that three cheers for four very impressive Democrats that FOUGHT LIKE HELL ON FRIDAY in the House Judiciary Committee.

DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ!
SHEILA JACKSON LEE!
MELVIN WATT!
ROBERT SCOTT!



Once upon a time we heard Bill Richardson FIGHT, too...
Once upon a time we heard Joe Biden FIGHT, too...
Once upon a time we heard John Edwards FIGHT, too...

[cascadiance]

119. The common claim is that Elephants have good memories...

But dammit! Those of you who think that us donkeys don't have good memories better be watching their backside during election time! We're keeping score and keeping track fo what you are doing! We WILL remember the heroes and the sellouts then! Dean is just reinforcing this!

[janx]

109. kick

[Barkley]

113. Howard Dean Speaks for Me!

The conservative media will find anything to criticize Howard Dean about. If it wasn't his comments about the Republican Party being a white Christian then it would be something else.

Don't back down Howard. That's why your followers are so committed to you; you tell it like it is.

[SammyWinstonJack]

115. He's got that right!

Fight On! :woohoo:

[MellowOne]

116. FINALLY!!!!

If only more Dems would get off their complacent buns think of what we could accomplish.


Dean/Boxer 08....I can dream can't I?

[kittenpants]

117. Fuck their shit up, Howard!!!!

this should be the greatest, greatest thread! I'm an angry Dean democrat, dammit!

[Triana]

118. Got that right! I WANT DEAN to fight!

...and to keep talking and refusing to apologize. We don't need a limp DNC chair and we don't need limp Dems.

[Andromeda]

120. Keep it up, Dean!

We need you now more than ever because with some of the Democrats on our side, who needs enemies?

Get a spine, all you Democrats out there and follow Dean's example. We haven't had much chutzpah coming from them, except for Harry Reid.

Speak truth to power!

[GetTheRightVote]

121. Fight, fight, fight, Dr. Dean knows just how to push those Repubs buttons

We have needed this type of political person for some time now.

:kick:

[ckramer]

123. Dean renews attacks on Republicans

...

Over the past week, Dean described Republicans as "pretty much a white, Christian party" and said many in the GOP "never made an honest living."

...

"The reason the Republicans are in trouble is because there are so many cases where they say one thing and do something else," Dean said.

He said President Bush's education initiative, the "No Child Left Behind" program, cuts school spending and a clean environment plan, the "Clear Skies Initiative," permits more pollution.

...

Records show the DNC took in $13.8 million over the first three months of 2005, compared with $8.4 million during the same period in 2003, the last year without a federal election. Terry McAuliffe was party chairman then.

link

Mr. Dean - Way to go! EEEEEEEEYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

[bunny planet]

124. You got that right, as usual Dr. Dean. We need someone to fight for us.

It's long overdue.

[mitchum]

125. Damn straight, Doctor Dean!

[cascadiance]

126. Don't Mess with Dr. Dean!

... He's not one for sympathy!

Air America is pushing Kansas-derived "Carry on Joe Conason!".

Time they revived the old Thompson Twins tune (Don't Mess with Dr. Dream) as Howard Dean's battle cry too! Just sent them a note!

http://www.elyrics.net/go/t/thompson-twins-lyrics/don_t-mess-with-dr.-dream-lyrics/

[Guaranteed]

127. Kick nt

[llmart]

128. THE DOCTOR IS IN!

I voted for him in the primaries and I'm supporting him all the way. I stopped giving money to any Dem causes after the selection of 04 but I'm going to start contributing again today but making sure they all know it's because of Dr. Dean that I'm opening up the purse strings again.

I challenge all DU'ers to give until it hurts. Every little bit helps but make sure they know it's because of Dean that you're giving.

That'll make the Freepers head explode some more:)

[Catchawave]

133. I think Dean has started the fire.......

...and my gut feeling is that we should help fan it, not piss on his leg and tell him it's raining!