Fluoridated water can cause bone cancer in boys

[dArKeR]

Fluoride in tap water can cause bone cancer in boys, a disturbing new study indicates, although there is no evidence of a link for girls.
New US research suggests that boys exposed to fluoride between the ages of five and 10 will suffer an increased rate of osteosarcoma -- bone cancer -- between the ages of 10 and 19.

In the UK, fluoride is added to tap water on the advice of bodies such as the British Dental Association. The Department of Health maintains that it is a cost-effective public health measure that helps prevent tooth decay in children.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/06/13/2003259124

[The Magistrate]

1. Unfortunately, Sir, The Article Ommits Necessary Information

Without the rate at which incidence increases, it is impossible to judge how serious the matter actually is....

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. Environmental Working Group letter here

Elevated bone cancer risks were identified by Bassin at fluoride levels that are commonly found in American water supplies. For drinking water systems with fluoride levels from 30 to 99 percent of the amount recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Bassin reports elevated risks for exposure from ages five through ten, with a five-fold risk of osteosarcoma for those exposed at age seven (4.94 (1.23-19.8) at 95% CI)). At 100 percent or more of the recommended level (and still far below legal maximum levels), the risk for exposure at seven years old rises to 7.2-fold (1.73-30.0) at the 95% CI (Bassin 2001, pg 95 — see results section attached).

http://www.ewg.org/issues/fluoride/20050606/petition.php

It's a rare cancer, so the absolute numbers must still be fairly small. But if the analysis is right, it is statistically significant.

[TahitiNut]

2. They're sapping our vital juices.

:eyes:

[geek tragedy]

10. Our precious bodily fluids! We must preserve our purity of essence. eom

[Whoa_Nelly]

3. My question is...

How can the general public be made aware of these findings? I think there really is something to this news shared to the world from the UK. The most explosive is the litigation nightmare that could ensue against our government for usurping our rights by controlling the water we drink; Rather than simply taking the guardianship of keeping our water healthy, the government imposed its weight of control supposedly in the public's best interest. However, since there are many findings and information regarding the increased risk for cancer, and not having been publicly put through the cancer-test with results out in the open, the government has ostensibly selected to offer us "national health care" in the form of fewer caries, while allowing a life-threatening health risk to remain in place.

From the article:
Half of all fluoride ingested is stored in the body, accumulating in calcifying tissue such as teeth and bones and in the pineal gland in the brain, although more than 90 percent is taken into the bones.

Anti-fluoride campaigners argue that the whole issue has become highly politically sensitive. If health scares about fluoride were to be recognized in the courts, the litigation, especially in the US, could be expected to run for decades. Consequently, scientists have been inhibited from publicizing any adverse findings.


The National Cancer Institute does have a rather "government-guarded" message, but certainly even this organization has not been adamant in supporting the physical health of our nation regarding fluoridation of our major water systems.

http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/3_15.htm

<snip>
The possible relationship between fluoridated water and cancer has been debated at length. However, a February 1991 Public Health Service (PHS) report on the results of a year-long survey showed no evidence of an association between fluoride and cancer in humans. The survey, which involved a review of more than 50 human epidemiological studies produced over the past 40 years, led the investigators to conclude that optimal fluoridation of drinking water "does not pose a detectable cancer risk to humans as evidenced by extensive human epidemiological data reported to date."

In one of the studies reviewed for the PHS report, scientists at the National Cancer Institute evaluated the relationship between the fluoridation of drinking water and the number of deaths due to cancer in the United States during a 36-year period, and the relationship between water fluoridation and number of new cases of cancer during a 15-year period. After examining more than 2.2 million cancer death records and 125,000 cancer case records in counties using fluoridated water, the researchers concluded that there was no indication of increased cancer risk associated with fluoridated drinking water.

[The Magistrate]

6. On The Evidence Available Here, Ma'am

There is no contradiction at all between the report in the Taipei Times and what you have cited. Childhood cancvers are a miniscule sub-set of the overall incidence of the disease, and bone cancers but three percent of that tiny subset. Therefore a measureable increase in it would be so small a number in absolute terms as to be undetectable in a study involving millions of cases of all cancers over decades of time.

[TaleWgnDg]

4. This is NOT new information; instead, it's a non-published dissertation

.
This is not new information; instead, it's a non-published dissertation work completed in 2001 !! If this had any -- I repeat -- any credibility to it, then the medical community would have picked it up and ran with it. It would have been published in (some form) in peer review medical journals or some other kind of medical periodical. It would have made international news back in 2001.

The () evidence only emerged by a circuitous process. It was contained in a Harvard dissertation by Dr Elise Bassin at the Harvard School of Dental Medicine. The dissertation, completed in April 2001 . . . "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gender/story/0,11812,1504722,00.html

What a load of bull this "bone cancer" stuff is! Just more sensationalism in attempts to sell newspapers and ad space in them. In the meantime, pass me the Crest toothpaste with fluoride, and thanks but no thanks.

.

[sam sarrha]

5. such very old crap.. but bad teeth cause HEART DISEASE..

[newscott]

29. You'd be amazed at how many people have no idea

that bad teeth can be lethal.

I was amazed when I told a coworker this. He had no idea the consequences could be so dire.

[oblivious]

7. The idea of ingesting that poison creeps me out.

Lord, they are desperate to cover up these studies:

If health scares about fluoride were to be recognized in the courts, the litigation, especially in the US, could be expected to run for decades. Consequently, scientists have been inhibited from publicizing any adverse findings.

The new evidence only emerged by a circuitous process. It was contained in a Harvard dissertation by Dr Elise Bassin at the Harvard School of Dental Medicine. The dissertation, completed in April 2001, obviously had merit because Bassin was awarded her doctorate.

However it has not been published. Environmental organizations were repeatedly denied access to it, and even bodies such as the US National Academy of Sciences could not get hold of a copy.Eventually two researchers from the Fluoride Action Network were allowed to read it in the rare books and special collections room at Harvard medical library.

[lakeguy]

9. right, where would we put all that flouride if not in toothpaste and

the water. it's too expensive to landfill because it's considered a toxin. you have to wonder to yourself when a tube of toothpaste tells you to seek help if more than a pea sized amount is swallowed...

[TrogL]

8. There has been flouride in water since I was a baby

and I'm old. I see no epidemic of bone cancer.

I have heard lots of crackpots going on about poison in the water.

Guess what. Anything, including water itself, in sufficient quantities is poisonous.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

15. my parents used to make me take floride chewable vitamins

(mis-spelled a word!)

for my entire childhood.
Didn't seem to affect me except for the fact that I never had a cavity.

[TX-RAT]

23. Same here.

I remember when lots of people were using well water, most of them had permanent stains on their teeth.

[Botany]

11. Horseshit! n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

12. Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?

Well, Mandrake?

Too bad the little nippers are too young for grain alcohol and rainwater, huh?

[Gabi Hayes]

16. hahahahaha haaaarrrrrrr

I thought of your name as soon as I saw this thread

have you seen the new DVD? It has interviews with various people, and some other stuff

I bought it awhile ago, but am waiting for the right moment to watch.

'' I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.''

pretty hard to pick a quote out of all that poetry, but this one is hard to top....

[kath]

26. What a great movie - I'd love to see it again.

P.O.E.
P.O.E.
P.O.E.
P.O.E.
.........

[geek tragedy]

31. "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the WAR room!" eom

[Sven77]

13. flouride is bad

stop medicating the public. the water already has natural flouride in it, they add toxic waste flouride, not pharmacudical grade flouride like in toothpaste. flouride is toxic, the toothpaste workers have to wear full bunny suits to protect themselves. too much flouride weakens teeth and bones. ill stick to baking soda toothpaste, thanks.

That the fluoride chemical added to the drinking water systems in Salt Lake and Davis Counties is an UNTESTED INDUSTRIAL WASTE BYPRODUCT called
Hydrofluosilicic Acid?

Hydrofluosilicic Acid is taken from the smokestack scrubbers of the phosphate fertilizer industry and contains lead, arsenic and mercury?

http://www.stopfluoridation.homestead.com/25Cents.html

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. B.S. meter says

Man the lifeboats!!

[lakeguy]

17. yup, used to think the BS meter was high on election fraud too...

guess we're all just a bunch of left leaning wackos! flouride is good for you!

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. It hasn't hurt me one bit

and I kind of like avoiding tooth decay.

[Dogmudgeon]

18. Such scientific concern!

Half the people in this thread have reacted with strenuous ejaculations of "BS!"

Perhaps a review of the literature is in order. Fluorine is, in fact, an element that has toxic qualities. Adding fluoride compounds to public water does increase certain diseases, including some rare cancers; it also reduces the incidence of dental caries and gingivitis, which can eventually lead to infectious endocarditis, a nasty form of heart disease, among other goodies.

Like taking hormones for menopausal symptoms, there's always a trade-off involved. Neither paranoia nor angry rejection of pilot studies will ever solve problems of medical science.

The lesson, though, is clear: No one should blindly trust any authority on any topic that has life-and-death consequences. Even a single wacko will often suffice to put enough pressure on our betters to do their homework.

Or, as my great-grandpappy Obidiah "Herschel" Pigwidgeonski once said, "if'n the cattle are a-stampedin', there's probably a weasel close by a-lookin' for some beef jerky".

--p!
She blinded me with Fluoride ...

[WildClarySage]

19. Not to worry though, American children don't drink water

they drink Coke. And their parents drink Koolaid.

[Demeter]

20. Talk About A Blast From the Past

Everything old (and discarded by sane people as dished out by the John Birchers) is new again. When I was a child, lo these 40 years ago, the hysterics fought floridation of water and we kids got mouths full of cavities. They said that the elderly sould be poisoned--but when the data was studied, it was shown that the elderly suffered from fewer broken bones when flouride strengthened them.

So my kids have no cavities, and the crazies are trying to bring back the 60's.

[oblivious]

21. So anyone who questions fluoride is an insane, hysterical crazie. OK.

I grew up drinking fluoridated water as did my wife and I had quite a few cavities, my wife a lot.

I wouldn't let my son touch fluoridated water and at 18 years old he doesn't have a cavity.

What should I conclude from this?

[Liberal Veteran]

22. On the flip side...I grew up on well water which was not floridated..

...and my teeth are a mess.

We were poor and didn't do regular dental work. I had my first extraction when I was 15.

I wish I had grown up on floridated water and had access to dental care as a kid. I might not be fighting a losing battle against having dentures before I am 50.

[Demeter]

27. Perhaps Your Water Wasn't Really Flouridated?

[PennyK]

25. Cavities are just about a thing of the past now

My girls are now 19 and 16, and between the two of them, there has been ONE very small cavity! I find this incredible, as my teeth were in such bad shape that I usually finished getting mine filled, and it was time for the next six-month check-up!

[newscott]

30. Not true

I work with lots of folks in their mid-40s and younger who are still losing teeth to cavities.

My wife has a mouthful of silver from all her cavities. I've had a few, but my dentist hates me now, cause I haven't needed any work in about 20 years.

[Sven77]

32. Skeletal fluorosis is a crippling bone disease caused by fluoride

Skeletal fluorosis is a crippling bone disease caused by fluoride

False Propaganda on Fluoride

http://www.tommyduggan.com/VP040505flouride.html