Conservative's popularity may be problem for GOP

[YankeyMCC]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/14/conservatives_popularity_may_be_problem_for_gop/?page=2

''Roy was never that interested in what the law was versus what he wanted to do," said James Hedgespeth, the county's district attorney for 18 years and a Democrat who describes his personal relations with Moore as cordial. ''I always thought the code books in his office were just for decoration. He always felt he knew better than anyone else."

[Justice]

1. Interesting Article, may split GOP

Folks like Frist and Santorum aren't willing to go as far as Moore - because they will lose the rest of us, and thus, they will come up short in the right wing's eyes. Moore has proven he is willing to risk it all (his job) for the cause.

Heaven help the people of Alabama if he becomes governor.

[charlyvi]

2. Actually, the polls here

say he wouldn't win. Although they also state that a majority in Alabama don't object to the Ten Commandments being in the Capitol. It's a wierd mix.

[Dhalgren]

3. My fundie mother says that Moore is right about the

Commandments, but he shouldn't run for Governor - it will make him look like that was what he was after all along. If my mother is capable of figuring that out, he won't be elected...

[DuaneBidoux]

6. Ask you mother if she wouldn't mind having Buddhist proverbs in the

courthouse.

[Dhalgren]

9. I have argue with her until we have both become blue in the face.

She's a fundie - by definition she is not reasonable. The "Bible" says it, she believes it, and that's the end of it. What does the "Bible" say? Whatever she has been told it says. She reads the "Bible" a lot, but it still only says what she has been told it says. She's a fundamentalist - she isn't supposed to make sense, she is not to "think" - just trust and obey...

[DuaneBidoux]

16. Just tell her then: you insist. You have a right to have a Buddha in the

courthouse if Moore has his ten commandments. Then when she says (as she will) that this is a "Christian Nation" give her a copy of the U.S. Constitution and ask her to find the word Jesus anywhere in there. Tell her if she can, you'll convert!

[Montauk6]

4. I don't think ANYTHING will split the GOP

They may sacrifice elections but I think they've come to far in their fascism to turn back now.

These guys aren't running the show or setting the tone anymore:



It's pretty much this mentality:


But I hope I'm wrong.

[Judi Lynn]

12. I'm convinced you're 100% right. n/t

[truthisfreedom]

5. anything frozen in place can be broken to pieces.

the Democratic Party is flexible. the thugs are stuck, frozen, hard, inflexible, and fragile as a result.

[tsuki]

7. I doubt the people of Alabama will vote him in. They haven't so

far. He has too many "theys" against him.

[Rose Siding]

8. He wants religious officials to be beyond all court powers?

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On Capitol Hill, Moore is lobbying for legislation in Congress to strip federal courts, including the Supreme Court, of jurisdiction over any challenges to government agencies or officials that acknowledge ''God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."

:wow:

[charlyvi]

10. No. Just "Christian" religious officials. n/t

[Doctor_J]

11. I thought Barkley was going to run

though I don't know in what party :shrug:

[Viking12]

13. Moore is a fuckin whackjob

BRANCACCIO: And at the center of that message is the idea that judges need to answer to God. What do you mean by that?

ROY MOORE: The center of the message is judges need to answer to the Constitution. They need to answer to the law. And our law recognizes God. And today, we've divorced God from many things. So, it's not answering directly to God. It's answering to our Constitution, which recognizes the sovereignty of God.

That's the whole purpose of the First Amendment. And the first thing that our forefathers did when they wrote the First Amendment was to acknowledge God. It was all about God. So, when you say that God's not in the Constitution, it is because people don't understand what the Constitution is about.

BRANCACCIO: So, not only about God, but God of the Bible?

ROY MOORE: God of the Bible. That's right. Not God of the Muslim faith. Not God of, you see there was a particular God that gave freedom of conscience.

That's the freedom to believe what you want. I often say that without the first commandment, there would be no First Amendment. Without a recognition of the Judeo-Christian God, the God that gave freedom of conscience, there would be no need to keep the state out the affairs of the person, with regard to the duties you owe to God.

Very clearly, the God of the Muslim faith, for example, does freedom of conscience come from that God? No. Because you go to Saudi Arabia or one of the Arabic countries, and you try to open the Bible, and talk to people. You'd be arrested. Because they mandate the way you worship God. This country does not do that because of the First Amendment. Our forefathers fought for that freedom. And it was guaranteed by the First Amendment.

-snip-

ROY MOORE: If you're uncomfortable with the recognition of the Judeo-Christian God, then you're uncomfortable with America. Because without a recognition of that God, America would not exist. America would have never been started.

http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcriptNOW123_full.html

[dissent1977]

14. Conservative's Popularity May Be Problem for GOP

WASHINGTON -- As Republican strategists weigh the party's prospects for 2006 and 2008, they are increasingly worried about a political confrontation with Roy S. Moore, the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court who became a hero to religious conservatives when he refused to follow a federal court order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the state's judicial building.

Moore, a Republican who enjoys widespread support in his home state, is poised to run against a vulnerable Republican governor. If he wins, some party strategists speculate, he could defy a federal court order again by erecting a religious monument outside the Alabama state Capitol building. With the 2008 presidential race looming, President Bush would then face a no-win decision: either call out the National Guard to enforce a court order against a religious display on state grounds or allow a fellow born-again Christian to defy the courts.

The pitched political warfare over the direction of the nation's courts has energized many GOP voters, but it has also produced a restless Christian right movement that contends Bush has been too moderate on issues ranging from gay marriage to judicial nominations to the Terri Schiavo case. These conservatives want Moore to run for president as a platform for their cause.

''Moore's a lot like George Wallace," William H. Stewart, political science professor at the University of Alabama, said in a reference to the Democratic Alabama governor who stood in a schoolhouse door to block a federal desegregation order, forcing President Kennedy to federalize and send in Alabama National Guard units.

more: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0614-05.htm

[KittyWampus]

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