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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:15 PM
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REUTERS: Jones will co-sponsor legislation calling for the truth re: DSM
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 05:17 PM by BigBearJohn


U.S. Representative Walter Jones (R-NC) is seen in his office
on Capitol Hill in Washington D.C. June 15, 2005. Jones will
co-sponsor legislation about calling for the truth regarding the
Downing Street Memo and reasons how the U.S. got involved in
Iraq. Reuters/Mannie Garcia


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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:16 PM
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1. how the U.S. got involved in Iraq?
I think that's pretty obvious. :grr:
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ecoalex Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:28 PM
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21. Could it Be....
Could it be a repug with a conscious? This is the inventor of "Freedom Fries", who knew he is a man of honor? WE only need enough repug friends to blow the lid off, and accept an article of inquiry.

Howard Baker played a key role in allowing investigations of Nixon, he and a small group of men of conscious, republicans.

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:18 PM
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70. watch something mysterious hapopen to this guy
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #70
90. The first thought in my mind, too.
We are governed by the Sopranos.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:08 PM
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104. Jones should get a couple of bodyguards now
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
76. I do think he's grown a conscience, I've wondered if republicans
who fell for the lies would skulk away when they finally realize the truth, or would they stand and up say they were wrong? Have you ever asked yourselves 'how can they sleep at night?' I think we've found one who can't. How many more are there?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:18 PM
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2. More big.
This guy is starting to surprise me. Seems like he is getting some surprising answers to his prayers.

Hmmm...could he jump?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:18 PM
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3. Ummm ....did he sign Conyer's letter? Is he onboard with the hearings
tomorrow...or is he "hogging the issue." :shrug:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:19 PM
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4. Recommended. Now it is bipartisan.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:33 AM
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89. I agree, but I wish the conference wasn't
at DNC headquarters. If some R's want to join us, a more neutral place would serve us better.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:31 AM
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91. The hearing isn't at DNC HQ anymore -- it's back at the Capitol!
From Congressman Conyers' blog, June 15th:

There has been some confusion about where the event will be held. As some of you may be aware, the Republican majority on the Judiciary Committee will not allow me to use Committee space, as I have in the past, for this. As a result, I had to consider some other locations, all with pros and cons. In the end, I decided it was best to hold the hearing in the one official room that was available, a very small room in the basement of the Capitol (HC-9). I want the location to be one that is nonpartisan and one where any Republican member interested in attending can do so.

Consequently, the time of the hearing has been changed to 2:30pm. Because of the lack of seating, I have created an overflow room, where the public can listen to or watch the hearing in the Wasserman Room of the DNC on South Capitol Street. I want people coming to DC to know that it is highly unlikely they will be able to get a seat in the hearing room, it is THAT small.

The Republicans should be ashamed about how Sensenbrenner has treated Conyers. But I get a huge smile out of Mr. Conyers holding this hearing in a "very small room in the basement of the Capitol". How very Mulder-esque! (And remember, Mulder, too, was proved right in the end.)

http://www.conyersblog.us/

"If this is monkey pee, you're on your own." -- Scully (to Mulder), The X-Files, 'The Erlenmeyer Flask'

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:59 AM
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93. Republicans standing up with other concerned Americans!!!
From Freedom Fries to Freedom WHYS
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:19 PM
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5. If you were waiting for the other shoe to drop
this could be it.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:19 PM
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6. Hello!
My my, what have he here?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:19 PM
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7. Is there an article? All the link has is the picture.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:20 PM
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8. A peace sign on his lapel?!?!?!?!
:wow:
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. wow. it really is 1972
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:20 PM
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9. Damn! A peace button on a Repug's lapel!
I bet that has the Repug leaderships' collective noses out of joint.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #9
26. Nawww... it's a sylized B-52
:silly:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:25 PM
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74. BUFF?
.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 07:33 PM
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60. LOL!
I thought it was a peace button too. Was thinking, 'wow, that's some change of heart'.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:21 PM
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10. Yes!!! This is BIG! n/t
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saskatoon Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #10
20. Tide turning
thank you, thank you for posting this. It gives me heart.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:22 PM
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11. Could this be Bush's "Lieberman moment"? nt
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:23 PM
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12. FU Jones.
Jones trots out and says 'bad' things about * and the war.

3 days later - he co-sponsors the bill? FU you republican 'freedom fries' asshat.

Shove your co-sponsor up your.....we don't need it.

When you APOLOGIZE for your actions promoting this war.
When you APOLOGIZE to France for standing up for what they believed in.
When you APOLOGIZE to each and every family that lost someone in this illegal war.

Than you can keep the water pitchers filled during the hearings, and maybe run out for a light snack for John Conyers if he gets hungry. Otherwise shut your your pie-hole.


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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. why bad mouth someone who is on the right side? I don't get it
Better to learn from mistakes and then try to correct them, don't you think?
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. very much agree. considering how many people will fight against truth
no matter what the facts say
it is an amazing thing to witness whatever this transformation is that mr jones has gone through

he even said recently that he regretted the whole "freedom fries" situation
i welcome him to humanity
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. Definitely agree ... give him some regard for his stance now.
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #23
80. So if dick Cheney and * aplogize it OK.

It's like we've been kicked so many times, when they do it without boots we think its swell.

Sorry, I'm in a REAL cynical mood right now.

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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:16 PM
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99. very understandable dp. but i will say that walter jones has done
more than apologize. he is speaking out. he even wore a peace button! and is standing with dennis kucinich today to submit a resolution to withdraw troops

but if cheney and bush would go to this equivalent length to not only admit but do something concrete about what they have done well thats what we have been asking for

of course we would all be so shocked that i dont know what the next step would be
but i say encourage those who are not simply talking but risking by their actions. and in this fascist climate then i applaud mr jones and the other republicans who are standing up to the traitors in the white house

its a step in the right direction. i wouldnt vote for him or anything but he is setting himself apart from the majority. and i appreciate that

hope youre doing ok. and can watch or listen to the hearings today
www.afterdowningstreet.org has a listing of who will carry it

peace and warm wishes friend
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:32 PM
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22. Now, now D_p,
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 05:46 PM by Karenina
To paraphrase Boutrous-Ghali, "Only STUPID PEOPLE refuse to change their minds." If Jones has, (and after that ridiculous fuss he made if he's any sort of Mensch at all he MUST be at LEAST a tad embarrassed), let's take him at his word and see what he DOES now that he's "come out," so to speak. Wearing a peace sign on his lapel is an EXCELLENT signal.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:38 PM
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25. And let's face it. We need Republicans to help.
Unless all Americans take to the streets, that is. So far they've just been buying magnets from China.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:22 PM
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71. When republicans comes out asking questions and joinning Democrats
it will show all the shill, Liberals were right! We been scraming for past 4 years, this admistration has lied to us!
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:40 PM
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81. "So far they've just been buying magnets from China. "
OMG.

That one sentence says it. You need to create a thread with that.

It's like the fake patriots they are: I support the troops with Chinese magnets.

LOL!!!
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
59. Embarrassed? Could it be that he bought the neo-con lies
hook, line and sinker and is now mad enough to spit nails? Or and this is the cynical side of me, is he just speaking up and getting in line to help bury the truth? I'm almost afraid to hope it's the former.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. It COULD be the former!
Let's see what he DOES now! People don't generally much like being verarscht. Not one bit.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #59
77. I agree, he bought it, now spitting mad, I think we might be
witnessing the beginning of the awakening.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:34 AM
Response to Reply #59
92. I saw an interview with him and it was the human face of the war
that turned the tide for him. Sorry, I don't remember what station it was on. He kept talking about a family he had met, father in Iraq and mom and 3 kids at home, 2 of the children being infant twins that the father had never seen. The father was killed in Iraq. For whatever reason, the anguish of that famuly seemed to pierce him. I guess it was his personal moment of revelation.

Senators and Congressmen got swept up in the hoopla and were manipulated just like the rest of us. But the 1700+ deaths are all personal and tragic for some American family. I guess if you have come to believe that the intentions of the war were a sham and you meet constituents like he has, and if you are actually moral, you might have a similar crisis of conscience. He also deeply regetted the whole "freedom fries" incident. I really don't think anyone who saw this particular interview could doubt his sincerity.

I think every Republican and every Democrat should be required to visit EVERY family in their district who has had a death. I think some of the people in power have no sense of the individual humanity of our armed forces - they think of them as a million plastic GI Joe dolls or gamepieces on a board of RISK. Jones put a human face on one of the gamepieces and it radically altered him. This war was no "last resort" and we all know it.
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
45. well, his voting record doesn't seem to be that far right
http://www3.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=442

doesn't seem to be too republiCON to me
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #12
97. Look a gifthorse in the mouth much?
Sure, it'd be nice if some of these guys owned up to their mistakes. But what we have to realize is that they don't do it like we do. Where we apologize, they just change their stance and forget the past. It's aggrivating and cowardly, but it's better than the alternative........
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #12
101. Sorry, wrong answer.
Face reality. We need Republicans, and LOTS of them, to grow their morals back. That's what this guy has done. So STFU.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:24 PM
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13. You hear that? Footsteps. We The People are coming.
Way to go Rep Jones!
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
27. The more I look at the pics, the more stunned I am. Rated all pics a 5.
This is big. Very big.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:02 AM
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94. Stand up Mr. Jones STAND UP!!! We stand with you!!!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:24 PM
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14. HUUUUUUUUUGGGE!!!
Love the picture.
Nominating and kicking
to spread the good news!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:27 PM
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17. An aspiring "Howard Baker" -- one wonders.
This is not good news for Bush and the neoconsters, for sure.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:27 PM
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18. Wonderful. Thank you Rep. Jones!
:applause: :patriot:

You're doing the right thing!
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:27 PM
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19. I say better late than never
We need all the help we can get. This is gonna be the fight of our lives, for the soul of our country and our very way of life.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:35 PM
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24. Press Release:
http://jones.house.gov/html/release.cfm?id=313
THURSDAY: Press Conference to Announce Bipartisan Legislation Calling on President to Set Plan for Beginning Phase-out of US Troops in Iraq

REPS. JONES (R-NC), PAUL (R-TX), ABERCROMBIE (D-HI), KUCINICH (D-OH) TO HOLD PRESS CONFERENCE THURSDAY, JUNE 16, AT 10:30A.M., HOUSE RADIO TV GALLERY

A bipartisan coalition of Members of Congress will hold a press conference on Thursday, June 16th at 10:30am in the House Radio/TV Gallery (Room H-321) of the Capitol to introduce the first bipartisan legislation that will call on President Bush to set a plan for beginning the phase-out of US troops in Iraq.

Speaking at tomorrow’s press conference will be Representatives Walter Jones (R-NC), Ron Paul (R-TX), Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) and Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), original cosponsors of the Joint Resolution.

The resolution is the first bipartisan legislation to set a start date for drawing down the numbers of US troops in Iraq.

Who: Reps. Jones (R-NC), Paul (R-TX), Abercrombie (D-HI) and Kucinich (D-OH)

What: Press conference to announce bipartisan legislation to begin the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq.

Where: House Radio/TV Gallery (Room H-321) US Capitol

When: 10:30am, TOMORROW, Thursday, June 16th

**ALL MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA ARE ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND.**

For additional information please contact Kristen Quigley in Rep. Jones’ office at (202) 225-3415.

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. I hope the press didn't screw up DSM with this. I hope he is going to
do both.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. Doesn't mention anything about DSM memo.
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luxpara Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:43 PM
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29. What does this mean? I can't believe it means what I hope it means...
where's the link that talks about this? Am I in delightful Dem denial?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:46 PM
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31. If this means he is co-signing Conyers' legislation, this is indeed BIG!
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luxpara Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. I haven't seen any proof of this anywhere but here -
that doesn't give me much hope...
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. See Jones' web site. here's the direct link:
http://jones.house.gov/html/release.cfm?id=313

It's in several places, little banners and posties all over the site, pointing you to the release.

Welcome to DU.:hi:
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luxpara Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:56 PM
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37. Thanks, but I didn't see anything about the memo at
his site - did you?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. It's not about the DSM!
It's about withdrawing from Iraq.

Two separate and distinct peices of legislative activity.
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luxpara Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Oh- so he's NOT part of the memo thing?
I'm not dense, I'm just trying to figure out if the original post was mistaken...
Thanks
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. Oh. Sorry. I guess that is misleading compared to the release
:)

I do believe the timing of this (10:30 a.m.) is meant to compliment the DSM meeting at 2:30 p.m.

I can't believe TWO Republicans are joining two Democrats in telling Bush to pull-out!

Bush's house of lies is crumbling.

This makes me so happy.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #41
62. You are not dense at all.
It is confusing and potentially could be a mistaken caption under the photo as nothing else I've seen or read today connects Jones with calling for an investigation into the DSM.

Let's hope that the caption by Yahoo is correct. In any event, I appreciate BigBearJohn bringing this story here.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. kicked and nominated!!!!
I'm so glad to see a group of Congressmen admitting that they are Bi!!!
Bi-Partisan , that is..............

Go anyone that will do SOMETHING!!!

You are all Patriots of FREEDOM!!!!
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #32
47. Yeah- Why can't I find it through Yahoo or Reuters?
A little too good to be true?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. Because the corporate media is waiting for AP to write a
story, I suppose.

They don't know what to do.

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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. The summary doesn't say that. Appears to be separate from DSM
"legislation that will call on President Bush to set a plan for beginning the phase-out of US troops in Iraq"

But it's all the better, IMO.

We're coming after Bush in all directions!
:woohoo:
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RalphReedsWreckedEm Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:53 PM
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35. Did Jesus threaten this guy, or what?
Something may actually be up with Jonesy......he's about as Fundy as they come, yet he's willing to the challenge the almighty GWB?

Whassup?
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. Being DUPED is a hard pill to swallow
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 06:00 PM by Tesla
Especially someone lying right to your face!!!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:03 PM
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42. How many dead from his district?
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:52 PM
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78. Thank you, words right out of my keyboard!
That's what I've wanted to write in my other posts, how much does this have to do with a recent article in the Fayetteville Observer showing that Ft. Bragg and Fayetteville aren't as gung ho about the US being in Iraq as you'd think they'd be?
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:05 PM
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43. HERE IS SOME MORE


U.S. Representative Walter Jones (L) (R-NC), meets with Gold Star and Military Families in his Capitol Hill office in Washington, D.C., June 15, 2005. Seated are (L-R) Dianne Davis Santorello, mother of Lt. Neil Santorello; Celeste Zappala, mother of Sgt. Sherwood Baker; and Bill Mitchell, father of Sgt. Michael Mitchell all of whom were killed in action in Iraq. REUTERS/Mannie Garcia
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:13 PM
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98. We need to call and thank this guy.
n/t
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:08 PM
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46. and THIS!!!
Republican Curt Weldon, a Pennsylvania Republican who just returned from Iraq, joined several Democrats saying the administration must be more candid and acknowledge that it could take about two years to train Iraqi forces to replace US soldiers and allow a significant pullout.

‘We can’t come back to America and have our people being convinced that the Iraqi troops are prepared to take over, when they’re not,’ he said on NBC’s Meet the Press.

http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/view.php?hidDate=2005-06-14&hidType=RIN&hidRecord=0000000000000000048566
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:10 PM
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48. Wow!
:wow:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:43 PM
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83. Beware of Weldon - he's another nut job
out pushing his book on the danger from Iran. He's got his own personal Iranian "Curveball" who the CIA discredits. Wingnut Weldon is trying to shill the CIA has it all wrong. Russert actually did his job Sunday and disassembled Weldon's "Curveball" this past Sunday.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:38 AM
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95. When I saw "Weldon" and "nutjob" in the same sentence...
I figured you had to be talking about Dave Weldon of Florida.

He ever comes out like this I am going to return all the "support our President because he is the president" letters he sent me over the years and ask him to respectfully shove them up his ass.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:15 PM
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49. Republican Ron Paul from TEXAS is one of the co-sponsors
http://www.house.gov/paul/

He gave a BIG speech called "The Hidden Costs of War" yesterday.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr061405.htm

Here's a summary of the speech. You gotta read this.

1. The costs of war are always much more than anticipated, while the benefits are much less.

2. The cost of war is more than just the dollars spent; it includes deaths, injuries, and destruction along with the unintended consequences that go on for decades.

3. Support for offensive wars wears thin; especially when they are not ended quickly.

4. The Iraq war now has been going on for 15 years with no end in sight.

5. Ulterior motives too often preempt national security in offensive wars.

6. Powerful nations too often forget humility in their relationships to other countries.

7. World history and religious dogmatism are too often ignored and misunderstood.

8. World government is no panacea for limiting war.

9. Most wars could be avoided with better diplomacy, a mutual understanding of minding one’s own business, and respect for the right of self-determination.
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inanna Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:19 PM
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51. Excellent!
Nominated for greatest! Thanks for posting this.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:26 PM
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52. you're quite welcome. I feel the steam building! Woo! Woo! All ABOARD!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:38 PM
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55. People all over the world, join in, love train! Love train!
Inspiring!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:28 PM
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53. Shortest Story Ever - Is He the Freedom Fries
congressman who is not happy with Iraq now? Why weren't these people listening to our pleas back in 02?
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AndrewJacksonFaction Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:29 PM
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54. Has anyone written him?
I was wondering if anyone has sent an email to Jones to thank him for turning the corner. Reassure him he is headed in the right direction.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:41 PM
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56. Me! I had to forge a NC zip code though.
http://jones.house.gov/html/contact.cfm

I apologized for the zipcode but you'd think he'd like some feedback....

I'll probably make a quick phone call, too.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 06:43 PM
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57. naughty naughty (but you one smart cookie!)
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 07:21 PM
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58. Thanks, BBJ. You made my day!
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 07:22 PM by katinmn
Ok, I'll stop rhyming now.


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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 07:36 PM
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61. I'll be damned! I posted on another thread he seemed sincere.
I'm usually a fairly good judge of character, and I honestly believed Jones was speaking from his heart when he was questioning the war.

A Republican with a conscience. Will wonders never cease.



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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 07:54 PM
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64. I'm not following
except for Yahoo saying he's doing that - I'm finding nothing. Not on his website or other news sources.....
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:02 PM
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65. We'll just have to wait and see,
won't we? Sometimes the news sources don't pick up on things for awhile.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:07 PM
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68. Links: Stories coming fast and furiously now!
Every daily newspaper in the country is picking it up!
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Walter+Jones&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d

http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/politics/11903378.htm

Exerpt:
Jones, who coined the term "freedom fries" to protest French opposition to the war, is scheduled to introduce the resolution Thursday calling for a plan to withdraw troops.

Co-sponsors include Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, and former presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, who both opposed the war at the outset.

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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:24 PM
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72. yes, but ---

**Jones, who coined the term "freedom fries" to protest French opposition to the war, is scheduled to introduce the resolution Thursday calling for a plan to withdraw troops**

-- has nothing to do with "Jones will co-sponsor legislation about calling for the truth regarding the Downing Street Memo and reasons how the U.S. got involved in Iraq. Reuters/Mannie Garcia "

How did they get from "calling for "plan to withdraw troops" to DSM??

This from his website:

"Read Congressman Jones' Statement on Iraq.
June 15, 2005

Dear Fellow Eastern North Carolinian,

In recent days there has been considerable press coverage on my position on America’s presence in Iraq. Despite what some media accounts have said, I want to make it crystal clear that I am NOT in favor of any immediate withdrawal nor do I support setting an end date at which time all troops must be out of Iraq.

What I do support is a public discussion of our goals and the future of our military involvement in that country. The non-binding resolution I am co-sponsoring will do no more than call on the President to set a plan and a date to begin reducing the number of troops we have in Iraq. It does not in any way, shape or form set a date certain for withdrawal. This approach should give the President the flexibility he needs to reduce our presence in a way that protects U.S. troops and allows Iraqis to pick up the fight. No one is talking about “cutting and running.”

In my opinion, this is the appropriate action to take for our troops, for our national security and for the Iraqi people. America faces many other threats that can easily escalate into conflicts that require military action. Iraq's neighbor, Iran, is a constant nuclear threat. A madman ruling North Korea has openly admitted to having nuclear weapons. Communist China is sucking up American jobs, using its booming economy to rapidly expand its military, and threatening Taiwan and other Asian allies. Even at home, every week 16,000 illegal aliens stream over our weakly guarded Mexican border, and any one of them could be a terrorist. With this in mind, we need a plan to begin a gradual reduction of our presence in Iraq so that our military, which is the most potent fighting force in the world, is ready to address these other threats.

No one is prouder of our military men and women in Iraq, or more grateful for their service and sacrifice, than I. They deposed one of the most ruthless tyrants in human history. They have trained, and continue to train, thousands of Iraqis in the skills necessary to defend their country against insurgents. They allowed Iraqis to freely cast their ballots in the country’s first democratic election in decades. And because of them, Iraq is on track to establish a new Constitution in October of this year, and to elect a permanent government in December.

As Brigadier General Donald Alston, the chief U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, said last week: “ . . . this insurgency is not going to be settled . . . through military options or military operations. It's going to be settled in the political process." With that political process now reaching its maturity, and with the number of trained Iraqi security forces increasing daily, it is perfectly reasonable for the American military presence in Iraq to, at some point, begin to decrease.

Conservatives across the spectrum from Robert Novak to Patrick Buchanan to the godfather of modern conservatism, William F. Buckley, have come to a similar conclusion. In fact, on May 6th Buckley wrote: “The day has to come, and the advent of that day has to be heralded, when we say that our part of the job is done as well as it can be done... It is an Iraqi responsibility to move on to wherever Iraq intends to go."

Clearly, we are giving Iraqis every reasonable chance for a democracy, but at some time in the near future, the ultimate fate of Iraq will, and should, rest in the hands of the Iraqis. We will continue to support them in their efforts, but we cannot forever be depended upon as the primary defense force in Iraq, nor can we compromise the ability of our armed forces to adequately respond to the other emerging threats that endanger America.

May God bless our men and women in uniform and continue to bless America.

Sincerely,
Walter B. Jones
U.S. Congressman, NC-03 "

******

Believe me, I WISH it were really true. I'm in NC!

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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:05 PM
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73. yahoo mixed it up a bit. He is co-sponsoring legislation to pull out
of Iraq. He is not involved in the DSM activity for tomorrow, although he said he supports the DSM inquiry.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:04 PM
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66. Bush And Cheney are feeling the SHOCK AND AWE BABY!!!
Republicans ON BOARD FOR THE TRUTH TRAIN!!!!


WHOOO HOOOOO!!!


:popcorn:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:06 PM
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67. kick
:kick:
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:16 PM
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69. Not surprising - His dad was a lifelong Democratic Representative.
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 08:18 PM by bhunt70
for the 1st district in NC... what was surprising was when JR jumped ship after not getting the nod for the house seat.
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Zgrrl Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:37 PM
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75. Would this be the same Rep Jones who...
is mentioned in this article:

*** snip ***

The most vivid proof of the Christianizing of Capitol Hill comes at the final session of Reclaiming America. Rep. Walter Jones, a lanky congressman from North Carolina, gives a fire-and-brimstone speech that would have gotten him laughed out of Washington thirty years ago. In today's climate, however, he's got a chance of passing his pet project, the Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act, which would permit ministers to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, effectively converting their tax-exempt churches into Republican campaign headquarters.

"America is under assault!" Jones thunders as his aides dash around the sanctuary snapping PR photos. "Everyone in America has the right to speak freely, except for those standing in the pulpits of our churches!" The amen chorus reaches a fever pitch. Hands fly heavenward. It's one thing to hear such words from Dominionist leaders -- but to this crowd, there's nothing more thrilling than getting the gospel from a U.S. congressman. "You cannot have a strong nation that does not follow God," Jones preaches, working up to a climactic, passionate plea for a biblical republic. "God, please -- God, please -- God, please -- save America!"

*** snip ***

Just wonderin'.

Link: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8499.htm
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:15 PM
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79. I hope this isn't a set up. n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:43 PM
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82. More republicans should join him.
It will have to be a good number of republicans to get the ball rolling.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:20 PM
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84. kick
kick
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:49 AM
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85. Could this be positioning for 2006?
You know, get the troops home just in time for the election?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:13 AM
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87. The " insurgents" are reported to be using shaped charges
and blowing the shit out of Abrams tanks. Nobody is leaving Iraq soon, most likely they will be send somemore.
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:07 AM
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86. don't but it, something is up!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:21 AM
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88. But the truth is relative. Truth is very overrated by liberals anymore.
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:49 AM
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96. HERE'S A MORE ACCURATE LINK THROUGH YAHOO
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:55 PM
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100. We need to write him to show our support
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 01:03 PM by Maraya1969
It takes a lot of guts for a Repub to break with this clique and demand the truth. Although we should expect that from all of them.



http://jones.house.gov/html/contact_form_email.cfm

EDIT - It won't work unless you have the zip code for the 3rd district of North Carolina. I hate when they do that.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:38 PM
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102. I agree!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:11 PM
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103. Good start, Walter
on repaying your debt to America. Now how about those articles of impeachment?
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