(Independent) US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

[evermind]

US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

By Colin Brown, Deputy Political Editor
17 June 2005

American officials lied to British ministers over the use of "internationally reviled" napalm-type firebombs in Iraq.

Yesterday's disclosure led to calls by MPs for a full statement to the Commons and opened ministers to allegations that they held back the facts until after the general election.

Despite persistent rumours of injuries among Iraqis consistent with the use of incendiary weapons such as napalm, Adam Ingram, the Defence minister, assured Labour MPs in January that US forces had not used a new generation of incendiary weapons, codenamed MK77, in Iraq.

But Mr Ingram admitted to the Labour MP Harry Cohen in a private letter obtained by The Independent that he had inadvertently misled Parliament because he had been misinformed by the US. "The US confirmed to my officials that they had not used MK77s in Iraq at any time and this was the basis of my response to you," he told Mr Cohen. "I regret to say that I have since discovered that this is not the case and must now correct the position."

Continues at link...

(Edit: just to point out the admission in the story is that the US used napalm during the invasion, between 31 March 2003 and 2 April 2003, not an admission of use in Fallujah, as apparently alleged at a press conference held by an Iraqi health ministry official recently. It doesn't mean that they didn't use them in Fallujah, but that has not been admitted)

(The US has never ratified the international treaty which outlaws the use of napalm)

[Singular73]

1. Hmmmm

Rumsfeld loves the smell of Napalm in the morning.

[Charles19]

90. In Fahrenheit 911 didn't the soldiers interviewed talk about

using napalm on people?

[Scout1071]

92. There was video of people who looked like they had been

napalmed. It was horrific footage.

[GetTheRightVote]

2. More * lies coming to the surface, we will never be able to live this down

thru out the next century.

:kick:

[Richard Steele]

3. More war crimes...we're just making freinds left and right these days.

I'm going to consider the 'napaln rumors' to be Officially Confirmed now.
Nominating.

[Straight Shooter]

4. So, it's confirmed. They did use it.

Seems to me there was a sort of ambiguous denial of sorts to the American people about the use of napalm.

The worms crawling out of the White House can are just getting bigger and uglier every day.

[rodeodance]

6. and worms get squished!!!!!!! yup--

[Straight Shooter]

12. Hadn't thought of that.

Ewwwww. But, if it's what's best for this country to squish some worms, well, let's get stomping!

[ElectroPrincess]

31. Just when you think it couldn't be any more cruel and horrific ...

a flashlight is shined on more roaches who DISGRACE our country. Napalm, those bastards!!!

Have we learned NOTHING from our past wars?!?

[Daphne08]

64. I remember when this picture first appeared.

I can't believe they're using that evil stuff again.

Oh, God, where is my country?

[HeeBGBz]

71. Yeah, I remember all the denials

"We're not using napalm, it's just (insert random firecracker here)"

"It's not napalm because we call it something else now."

[IndianaGreen]

5. Suspicions that US used napalm in Fallujah, as reported by Arab press

Sad that the Arab press is more credible than our own MSM:

The confirmation that US officials misled British ministers led to new questions last night about the value of the latest assurances by the US. Mr Cohen said there were rumours that the firebombs were used in the US assault on the insurgent stronghold in Fallujah last year, claims denied by the US. He is tabling more questions seeking assurances that the weapons were not used against civilians.

<snip>

The MK77 bombs, an evolution of the napalm used in Vietnam and Korea, carry kerosene-based jet fuel and polystyrene so that, like napalm, the gel sticks to structures and to its victims. The bombs lack stabilising fins, making them far from precise.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=647397

[BeHereNow]

7. Dear God.

This is so shameful.
If the Congress does not impeach this
administration, I can no longer live in this country.
It is so very shameful to be a US citizen at this point
in history...OUR tax dollars paid for these atrocities!
Can YOU sleep at night knowing this?
I can't.
BHN

[AuntiBush]

11. It most certainly is, in deed my friend.

"Arab press more credible than our own..." I just can't call them the MSN, rather they're live "trash mags" making the Enquirer look pretty good. Our so-called MSN should be hanging their heads in shame right now, but I'll bet their selling off their stocks, investments, and shredding stuff right about now.

And now Brit's feel as more then 1/2 of us do: They were duped by * and coherts in the name of religion while shredding our Constitutional rights along the horrible way.

How many generations will it take for this to go away? Probably never.

[wakeme2008]

8. looks like all the good Deep Throats are in Britain.... nt

[Julius Civitatus]

9. This is very serious

and could be used by the UK as an excuse to finally detach themselves from the neocon crime enterprise in Iraq.

[LynnTheDem]

10. The USA already admitted using MK77. The UK Independant reported it.

US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

August 10, 2003

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Independent.co.uk

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030810-napalm-iraq01.htm

[evermind]

14. Thanks. I think the story's angle is that US lied to Brits about it..(n/t)

[LynnTheDem]

23. USA publicly admitted to using MK77. The UK media reported in 2003

that the USA publicly admitted to using MK77.

So the UK govt is saying that while the USA publicly admitted using MK77, they denied it privately?

Bullshit. The idiot's just trying to cover his own lie to the UK government, and the UK government hasn't been paying enough attention to their own media reports.

[evermind]

33. You're right - Ingram's story doesn't stack up, does it?

He was saying in January 2005 that US hadn't used MK77s, while the independent story you link to shows that was officially admitted (and reported in UK!) in August 2003!

Maybe the US officials were saying "no, the stories were wrong, we never admitted it", or maybe he was relying on communications from before the admission... either way, it looks bizarre.

I wonder why the Independent didn't point this out themselves?! Unfortunately it's not clear from the story when the lying is supposed to have taken place..

It really looks, as you say, that he simply misled parliament, and is now blaming it on US "liars"!

[LynnTheDem]

36. It's not adding up. But it gets the "USA USED NAPALM" back into

public view, so that's a good thing. Sure would like the Indy UK to mention their own 2003 article and explain what's what.

[muriel_volestrangler]

65. His deception was noted at the time

on a website that examines what happens in parliament:

Alice Mahon (Halifax, Lab) Hansard source

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether napalm or a similar substance has been used by the Coalition in Iraq (a) during and (b) since the war.

Adam Ingram (Minister of State (Armed Forces), Ministry of Defence) Hansard source

No napalm has been used by Coalition forces in Iraq either during the war-fighting phase or since.

Does this answer the above question?
Yes! 0 people think so!
No! 4 people think not!

Comments

Robbie G
Posted on 7 Dec 2004 5:12 pm (Report this comment)

Methinks the honourable member is being economical with the truth?
...
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20030805-9999_1n...

...
What the Marines dropped, the spokesmen said yesterday, were "Mark 77 firebombs." They acknowledged those are incendiary devices with a function "remarkably similar" to napalm weapons. "

Perhaps Mrs Mahon should ask whether coalition forces have been using Mk 77 firebombs in Iraq...

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2004-12-06.201991.h

Of course, Mrs Mahon did ask about 'similar substances' - and Ingram carefully restricted his answer to 'napalm' only. The Archbishop of Canterbury said, a couple of days ago, "If we begin by assuming that the question to ask almost anyone - not just politicians - is the immortal 'Why is this bastard lying to me?' the effect is to treat every kind of reticence as malign, designed to deny other people some sort of power." But with modern politicians, I think that is the starting point you should use.

[July]

68. It's the usual splitting hairs over the meaning of words.

And the Republicans who had a field day with "the meaning of 'is'" have no problem saying, "It's not NAPALM." (Because it's super-napalm going by a new name.)

But let's get into pissy fights about what it's called instead of admitting that it's a disgusting weapon whose use in Iraq has been confirmed. Apparently, that's the New American Way.

[leesa]

48. I thought I remembered it being public. So the UK is lying about being

lied to? Sounds about right for neocons.

[LynnTheDem]

52. I dunno! I emailed Indy UK to point out their own article in 2003.

To me, it seems Ingram is lying to the UK govt about the US lying to him...but how come the UK govt didn't notice their own media reports back in 2003 about the US admitting they used MK77?

Strange.

[Coexist]

13. horribly disgusting - I remember the reports during Falluja

[Beetwasher]

15. Vile Vile VILE FUCKING SCUM

Done in our name, w/ our money...I'm so ashamed.

[BeHereNow]

17. Remember the image from Vietnam?

the little girl running naked after being
hit by napalm?
I share your feelings.
I am SO ashamed that this was done with MY
tax dollars, in my name and by MY unelected
government.
Feeling queasy-
BHN

[gumby]

22. Who can EVER forget that photo?

This is such a sad, sad day. However, maybe today is the beginning of a better tomorrow.

[BeHereNow]

25. Well, apparently, 99% of America has forgotten that image.

How else can we explain the apathy of our fellow
citizens about this truth?
What is that saying about those who do not remember/know
history are doomed to repeat it?

This is a distinct reflection of the
'murikkkan' education system.

Our current student population, the future of this
country, have never seen this image.

That is by design.

BHN

[gumby]

29. "By design" seems to be indeed correct.

Not only has the education system atrophied under the direction of people like Phyllis Schlafly, this country has been under serious psy-ops for a long, long time.

[BeHereNow]

32. As a person who works in "the educational system"

let me assure you that you are 5000% correct about that.
The machine does not give a crap about the kids.
A fact I have not spared the kids from.
BHN

[gumby]

37. As the right-wing is so fond of saying,

"Thank you for your service."

[ElectroPrincess]

34. Here's a little reminder

[July]

69. That is what's been so hard for me to deal with during the IW juggernaut.

Every step of the way, I've felt as if I'm reliving the Vietnam War years (maybe a little speeded up). I keep asking myself how we can make the same mistakes while Vietnam War veterans are still among us, most not even oldsters yet. How have we let this happen again?

[Beetwasher]

30. Yes. I'm Glad This Is Being Reported

I can only dare to hope that this will indeed be thrown into the Bush bonfire that seems to be building and that will hopefully become a pyre.

[Jacobin]

40. You were thinking of this one. Her suffering helped end Viet Nam

[maxrandb]

108. This is the Picture I Hoped Would Open America's Eyes

An Iraqi girl reacts to her mother and father being shot by panicking U.S. Troops at an Iraqi checkpoint. The original BBC Story, I believe, stated that there were bits of her parents brains splattered on this little girl.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_shooting_in_tal_afar/html/1.stm

[WePurrsevere]

49. It is a picture that anyone who has seen can never forget

not totally. :(

I can't believe we've used that crap on people again. Please tell me how does that make us that much better then those like Saddam, etc who use horrible chemicals on human beings?

[Pacifist Patriot]

72. *nodding* because I don't know what else to say.

[stillcool]

16. this one looks like a keeper.....

i especially enjoyed this part...

<The confirmation that US officials misled British ministers led to new questions last night about the value of the latest assurances by the US. Mr Cohen said there were rumours that the firebombs were used in the US assault on the insurgent stronghold in Fallujah last year, claims denied by the US. He is tabling more questions seeking assurances that the weapons were not used against civilians.

Mr Ingram did not explain why the US officials had misled him, but the US and British governments were accused of a cover-up. The Iraq Analysis Group, which campaigned against the war, said the US authorities only admitted the use of the weapons after the evidence from reporters had become irrefutable.>

[evermind]

18. I think the Mike Lewis from that Iraq Analysis group is the same

person as the Professor Michael Lewis who sent the six March 2002 cabinet papers (the six "new" downing street papers) to cryptome back in October 2004.

[bullimiami]

19. so if bushco lied to britain where is the outrage?

there isnt because they were in it together.

[dogday]

20. Just Pile This Incident over there on top of the others....

[mindfulNJ]

21. WTF

What more does a President have to do to get impeached around here anyway?:mad:

[Coexist]

24. this is really bothering me - who should I email it to?

[FormerOstrich]

26. Have sex with an intern n/t

[FormerOstrich]

27. Have sex with an intern n/t

[BeHereNow]

28. Hitler was "elected " too.

And knowing this would all eventually come to light,
the Shrub prepared legal protection against
prosecution for WAR CRIMES.
Who prepared/wrote the protecton?
GONZALES.
BHN

[Pacifist Patriot]

89. So many people either do not know or conveniently forget that fact.

Hitler was duly elected before he maneuvered the country into a dictatorship. Hell, his election was probably more legitimate than Shrub's. *shudder*

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. This is why they tried to kill Giuliana Sgrena

Napalm Raid on Falluja?
73 charred bodies -- women and children -- were found

23 November 2004

«We buried them, but we could not identify them because they were charred from the napalm bombs used by the Americans». People from Saqlawiya village, near Falluja, told al Jazeera television, based in Qatar, that they helped bury 73 bodies of women and children completely charred, all in the same grave. The sad story of common graves, which started at Saddam’s times, is not yet finished. Nobody could confirm if napalm bombs have been used in Falluja, but other bodies found last year after the fierce battle at Baghdad airport were also completely charred and some thought of nuclear bombs. No independent source could verify the facts, since all the news arrived until now are those spread by journalists embedded with the American troops, who would only allow British and American media to enrol with them. But the villagers who fled in the last few days spoke of many bodies which had not been buried: it was too dangerous to collect the corpses during the battle.

Yesterday, for the first time since the beginning of the military campaign, the American Headquarters allowed a convoy of the Red Crescent (the Iraqi Red Cross) to enter the city with 7 ambulances and two trucks filled with food. In the past days the convoys of the humanitarian organizations were stopped on the other side of Eufrathes. Thus maybe we will now be able to obtain some more news on the conditions of the people who are left in the city -- the majority fled -- during 15 days of fierce and uninterrumpted attacks.

http://www.ilmanifesto.it/pag/sgrena/en/420dd721e0ff0.html

[Roland99]

38. Sunday Mirror - Nov, 28, 2004 - Fallujah Napalmed

US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?
By Paul Gilfeather Political Editor

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html

US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out remaining insurgents in and around Fallujah.

News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun governments around the world.

And last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh.

Outraged critics have also demanded that Mr Blair threatens to withdraw British troops from Iraq unless the US abandons one of the world's most reviled weapons. Halifax Labour MP Alice Mahon said: "I am calling on Mr Blair to make an emergency statement to the Commons to explain why this is happening. It begs the question: 'Did we know about this hideous weapon's use in Iraq?'"

[Roland99]

39. Fire Bombs in Iraq: Napalm By Any Other Name - April 16, 2005

http://vitw.org/archives/878

During and immediately after the invasion, US officials denied claims that napalm weapons were being deployed. <5> However, as military personnel and journalists in Iraq quickly presented evidence of their use, by August 2003 Pentagon spokesmen were forced to admit that MK-77 firebombs had been dropped. Past denials were justified on the grounds that questioners had used the term ‘napalm’ instead of ‘firebombs’ or ‘MK-77s’. The US claims to have destroyed all its stocks of ‘napalm’ and argues that the MK-77 cannot be included in this term. However, the Pentagon admits that the MK-77 is an incendiary with a function ‘remarkably similar’ to that of napalm. <6>

<...>

4. Recent use of incendiaries: Firebombing Fallujah
In November 2004 US forces launched a massive attack on the city of Fallujah. Much of the city was destroyed and tens of thousands of residents fled as refugees.

Reports have emerged of burnt and melted bodies in the city, consistent with the use of napalm or the equally controversial weapon white phosphorus (also known as ‘Willy Pete’)

Residents who survived the attack reported seeing incendiary bombs used in the city.

[Roland99]

42. Ruined, cordoned Falluja is emerging as the decade's monument to brutality

This is our Guernica
Jonathan Steele and Dahr Jamail
Wednesday April 27, 2005
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1471011,00.html

One thing is certain: the attack on Falluja has done nothing to still the insurgency against the US-British occupation nor produced the death of al-Zarqawi - any more than the invasion of Afghanistan achieved the capture or death of Osama bin Laden. Thousands of bereaved and homeless Falluja families have a new reason to hate the US and its allies.

At least Zoellick went to see. He gave no hint of the impression that the trip left him with, but is too smart not to have understood something of the reality. The lesson ought not to be lost on Blair and Straw. Every time the prime minister claims it is time to "move on" from the issue of the war's legality and rejoice at Iraq's transformation since Saddam Hussein was toppled, the answer must be: "Remember Falluja." When the foreign secretary next visits Iraq, he should put on a flak jacket and tour the city that Britain had a share in destroying.

The government keeps hoping Iraq will go away as an election issue. It stubbornly refuses to do so. Voters are not only angry that the war was illegal, illegitimate and unnecessary. The treatment inflicted on Iraqis since the invasion by the US and Britain is equally important.

In the 1930s the Spanish city of Guernica became a symbol of wanton murder and destruction. In the 1990s Grozny was cruelly flattened by the Russians; it still lies in ruins. This decade's unforgettable monument to brutality and overkill is Falluja, a text-book case of how not to handle an insurgency, and a reminder that unpopular occupations will always degenerate into desperation and atrocity.

[Roland99]

43. Inside Falluja: 'Nothing to come back to'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4124667.stm

Scenes of widespread destruction have greeted residents allowed back into the Iraqi city of Falluja following the US assault in November. BBC News spoke to Dr Saleh Hussein Isawi, the acting director of the Falluja general hospital, who accompanied some of the refugees into the city.

<...>

I was there, inside the city - about 60% to 70% of the homes and buildings are completely crushed and damaged, and not ready to inhabit at the moment.

Of the 30% still left standing, I don't think there is a single one that has not been exposed to some damage.

One of my colleagues... went to see his home, and saw that it is almost completely collapsed and everything is burnt inside.

[Roland99]

44. Stories from Fallujah by Dahr Jamail

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8008.htm

“I’ve been there, and I saw that anyone who even turns their head is threatened and hit by both American and Iraqi soldiers alike…one man did this, and when the Iraqi soldier tried to humiliate him, the man took a gun of a nearby soldier and killed two ING, so then of course he was shot.”

The doctor tells me they are keeping people in the line for several hours at a time, in addition to the US military making propaganda films of the situation.

“And I’ve seen them use the media-and on January 2nd at the north checkpoint in the north part of Fallujah, they were giving people $200 per family to return to Fallujah so they can film them in the line…when actually, at that time, nobody was returning to Fallujah,” he says. It reminds me of the story my colleague told me of what he saw in January. At that time a CNN crew was escorted in by the military to film street cleaners that were brought in as props, and soldiers handing out candy to children.

“You must understand the hatred that has been caused…it has gotten more difficult for Iraqis, including myself, to make the distinction between the American government and the American people,” he tells me.

His story is like countless others.

[Roland99]

45. Weapons of Mass Destruction Employed by US to Imolate Falluja

White Phosphorus is a Chemical Weapon
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m10211&l=i&size=1&hd=0


WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC PHOTOS AT LINK.

[Roland99]

46. U.S. used banned weapons in Fallujah – Health ministry

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=7216

Dr. ash-Shaykhli was assigned by the ministry to assess the health conditions in Fallujah following the November assault there.

He said that researches, prepared by his medical team, prove that U.S. occupation forces used internationally prohibited substances, including mustard gas, nerve gas, and other burning chemicals in their attacks in the war-torn city.

The health official announced his findings at a news conference in the health ministry building in Baghdad.

The press conference was attended by more than 20 Iraqi and foreign media networks, including the Iraqi ash-Sharqiyah TV network, the Iraqi as-Sabah newspaper, the U.S. Washington Post and the Knight-Ridder service.

[Roland99]

50. City of ghosts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1387460,00.html

I wanted to ask Dr Adnan Chaichan about the wounded. I found him at the main hospital in Falluja at midday. He told me that all the doctors and medical staff were locked into the hospital at the beginning of the attack and not allowed out to treat anyone. The Iraqi National Guard, acting under US orders, had tied him and all the other doctors up inside the main hospital. The US had surrounded the hospital, while the National Guard had seized all their mobile phones and satellite phones, and left them with no way of communicating with the outside world. Chaichan seemed angrier with the National Guards than with anyone else.

He said that the phone lines inside the town were working, so wounded people in Falluja were calling the hospital and crying, and he was trying to give instructions over the phone to the local clinics and the mosques on how to treat the wounds. But nobody could get to the main hospital where all the supplies were and people were bleeding to death in the city.

<...>

But one thing stood out for me that explained the empty graveyard and the lack of bodies. He said that most of the fighters had been given orders to abandon the city by November 17, nine days after the assault began. "The withdrawal of the fighters was carried out following an order by our senior leadership. We did not pull out because we did not want to fight. We needed to regroup; it was a tactical move. The fighters decided to redeploy to Amiriya and some went to Abu Ghraib," he said.

The US military destroyed Falluja, but simply spread the fighters out around the country. They also increased the chance of civil war in Iraq by using their new national guard of Shias to suppress Sunnis. Once, when a foreign journalist, an Irish guy, asked me whether I was Shia or Sunni - the way the Irish do because they have that thing about the IRA - I said I was Sushi. My father is Sunni and my mother is Shia. I never cared about these things. Now, after Falluja, it matters.

[magellan]

60. I'm so despondent at the moment

"Outraged critics have also demanded that Mr Blair threatens to withdraw British troops from Iraq unless the US abandons one of the world's most reviled weapons."

After reading this I immediately thought, "Well, so WTF if the US says it'll stop using napalm/MK77? BushCo have lied so much who the hell believes anything they say anymore except dolts on kool-aid??"

Everything is effin' word games with them. Here's how Bush**'s reply to poodle will go: "You asked if we were using napalm, not MK77. We are not using napalm, and that's what I said."

Sorry. I'm just ranting pretty much indiscriminately nowadays.

[0007]

41. ....and we wonder why the whole world hates us.

More U.S. creditability down the drain.

[u2spirit]

54. This simply can't be true

Our fearless popular Wartime Pretzeldent believes in a culture of life

WWJN

What would Jesus Napalm?

[0007]

55. LOL!

[Dhalgren]

91. Not "What", but "Who", my friend..."who"...

[lovuian]

47. I think this is Blair's back atcha Bush!!! you got Memo and I got

your napalm use order!!!

Wonder who ordered the Napalm or does the soldier grunts just go in and grab that stuff!!!

???????

[berni_mccoy]

51. EFFING LIARS!!!

NAPALM is illegal according to international LAW!

I can't believe we used this WMD on Iraq. MOTHER FUCKING BUSHCO!

[Occulus]

57. b-bb-but

It's NOT napalm! It's a FIREBOMB! BIG difference! :sarcasm:

[mdelaguna2000]

63. crooks and liars

Where are the war photos of casualties on the front pages of our newspapers? The media are despicable for not holding these scums accountable. Blood on their hands, too.

[demo dutch]

53. US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war - UK Independent

The Independent
By Colin Brown, Deputy Political Editor
17 June 2005

American officials lied to British ministers over the use of "internationally reviled" napalm-type firebombs in Iraq.
Yesterday's disclosure led to calls by MPs for a full statement to the Commons and opened ministers to allegations that they held back the facts until after the general election.

Despite persistent rumours of injuries among Iraqis consistent with the use of incendiary weapons such as napalm, Adam Ingram, the Defence minister, assured Labour MPs in January that US forces had not used a new generation of incendiary weapons, codenamed MK77, in Iraq.

But Mr Ingram admitted to the Labour MP Harry Cohen in a private letter obtained by The Independent that he had inadvertently misled Parliament because he had been misinformed by the US. "The US confirmed to my officials that they had not used MK77s in Iraq at any time and this was the basis of my response to you," he told Mr Cohen. "I regret to say that I have since discovered that this is not the case and must now correct the position."

See link
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=647397

The shit just keeps coming!!!

[DearAbby]

56. looks like all the good Deep Throats are in Britain

Thanks to them that are pushing these out, Imagine 230 yrs ago we as a nation fought Britain to gain our Freedom...Today someone in Britain is trying to help save our freedom.

When you think they could not take us to lower depths, these animals in power, somehow managed to take us lower and lower. It will take us a long time to be able to hold our heads up in the global community. Damn these animals, perverted pond scum.

[cthrumatrix]

93. IF this is true --- what can be done?

[AuntiBush]

97. Wow! Really! Great Point. Who would have known... or Thought!?!

[Rainscents]

58. This is sick, sick, sick!!!

:argh: :argh: :argh:

[Nothing Without Hope]

59. I'm not surprised at all. They want to instill terror - this would work.

Like exterminating insects - burn people to blackened corpses. No need to be concerned whether they are "guilty" of wanting to resist the US invasion and occupation - if they have been burned to death they cannot complain.

Why is anyone surprised?

[evolvenow]

61. And what about all the DU they are spewing everywhere there, defies Geneva

Conventions, except for some rotten loophole. It will devastate thousands and thousands for generations. Just atrocious.

[Lochloosa]

62. Kick and nominated....lying bastards

[carincross]

66. Dahr Jamail is right once again.

[malaise]

67. No surprise at all..

we knew this ages ago.

[LynneSin]

70. Let us fondly recall the wonderful memories of Napalm use in the past.....

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[tmooses]

73. US Lied To Britain Over Use Of Napalm In Iraq.

I guess this is what the big clamp on news coverage on Fallujah last year was all about. Does anyone see more and more Vietnam parallels arising lately?

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=647397

" American officials lied to British ministers over the use of "internationally reviled" napalm-type firebombs in Iraq.

Yesterday's disclosure led to calls by MPs for a full statement to the Commons and opened ministers to allegations that they held back the facts until after the general election."


I guessed I missed it but I don't remember the State Department admitting they were using M77's. Maybe I was paying too much attention
to the MSM.

[TheFarseer]

74. Was it to burn down the rain forest where insurgents were hiding? n/t

[Eloriel]

75. Close enough for government work

I'm -- I can't describe the wave of feelings I'm experiencing, but they ain't good ones.

It's times like this when I remember the desperation I felt in trying to get the war stopped, and the even worse despair I felt when it became abundantly clear nothing would stop it. This type of story is exactly what so many of us feared -- hell, we KNEW this type of thing would happen.

[tmooses]

76. Yeah, all those damn date palms!!

:)

[tuvor]

77. From November 2004: "FALLUJAH NAPALMED"

www.sundaymirror.co.uk

Nov 28 2004

US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?

By Paul Gilfeather Political Editor

US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out remaining insurgents in and around Fallujah.

News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun governments around the world.

And last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh.

Outraged critics have also demanded that Mr Blair threatens to withdraw British troops from Iraq unless the US abandons one of the world's most reviled weapons. Halifax Labour MP Alice Mahon said: "I am calling on Mr Blair to make an emergency statement to the Commons to explain why this is happening. It begs the question: 'Did we know about this hideous weapon's use in Iraq?'"

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=14920109%26method=full%26siteid=106694-name_page.html

[alarcojon]

78. So sad

I guess we'll just have to trust the administration that MK77's were used only against military targets. We know, after all, how precise the selection of those targets is. :sarcasm: Hmmmmm, Maybe a school which "might be housing insurgents"? A mosque? A hospital?

But even setting THAT aside, it pisses me off that the US could not even ratify the following protocols of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons:

Protocol III prohibits making civilian populations the object of attack by incendiary weapons and restricts the use of incendiary weapons against military targets located within a concentration of civilians; and
Protocol IV prohibits the use and transfer of laser weapons designed to cause permanent blindness to un-enhanced vision.

http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/~treaty/CCWC.html

I'd love to hear the explanation for why we would not ratify these. Preferrably at a war crimes tribunal

[burythehatchet]

79. However, prior to napalming the populace, the US parachuted

many thousands of lemon chicken dinners with two fruits and two vegetables. Ain't that right Dunkin

[BattyDem]

95. Don't forget the rice pilaf!

:eyes: :grr:

[TahitiNut]

80. Saw it used. February 23-24, 1969. Amazing.

I don't know if was to mop up, cut off retreat, or what. (E-4's didn't get briefed on that stuff.) I'm sure some NVA/VC were turned into crispy critters, though. In the photo below, you can just see the trees (to the right) on the eastern end of the low ridgeline (further right, out of view) that was napalmed at first light that morning.

[wiggs]

81. We ought to get pitchforks and torches and visit those responsible

It seemed impossible that this adminsitration could sink any lower. Yet...here we are.

On a day where officials discussed whether or not the adminsitration lied to everyone in order to invade another country we learn that in, our name, these monsters napalmed a city.

I truly hope that someone with the right words can stand up in front of the cameras and tell the world what this means and what we need to do about it.

I'm stunned.

[anarchy1999]

82. Is anyone really surprised? All BUSH INC KNOWS IS HOW TO LIE!

Think ENRON, and then some! BASTARDES! (Hope that is Spanish for the word I want to use.)

[Rainscents]

83. I feel so sad for Iraqi people and our soldiers who died because of

these basters we have in WH. I feel so helpless and sad about this whole mass.

[KLF44]

84. Is napalm a WMD?

If so then do the citizens of Iraq have a right to invade the America because our WMD is a threat to them?

[LynnTheDem]

106. Iraq had the legal right to attack America the minute the US attacked Iraq

[Media_Lies_Daily]

85. How could anyone NOT have known napalm was being used in....

...Fallujah? Here are some links for review:
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FALLUJAH NAPALMED
Nov 28 2004
US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?
<http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html>

QUOTE:

US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out remaining insurgents in and around Fallujah.

News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun governments around the world.

And last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh.
===============================================

ACT NOW! Lobby your MP over Fallujah napalm
29/11/2004
<http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=5064&grp=21&cat=94>

QUOTE:

US FORCES used outlawed naplam in the Iraqi town of Fallujah according to weekend reports. Demand answers from your MP and Tony Blair here.

There is a growing outrage over Fallujah napalm claims
The use of deadly napalm - last seen in Vietnam and now banned by the United Nations - has been deployed in Fallujah according to eyewitnesses.

'Melted' bodies have been reported, along with suggestions of poisonous gas. MP Alice Mahon is calling on Blair to make an emergency statement on the matter. If it is proven that napalm has been used, Britain will be under pressure to pull out of the American-led coalition.
========================================

U.S. uses napalm gas in Fallujah – Witnesses
11/28/2004 9:00:00 PM GMT
<http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=5875>

QUOTE:

Residents in Fallujah reported that innocent civilians have been killed by napalm attacks, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel which makes the human body melt.

Since the U.S. offensive started in Fallujah earlier this month, there have been reports of “melted” bodies which proves that the napalm gas had been used.

"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old Fallujah resident, Abu Hammad said. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery, infantry, and poisonous gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground." Hammad was living in the Julan district of Fallujah which witnessed some of the heaviest attacks.
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Firebombing Falluja
by Mike Whitney December 01, 2004
<http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=6772>

QUOTE:

The United States is using napalm in Falluja. So far, the military has denied the allegations, but the proof is mounting. On Nov. 28 The Daily Mirror’s political editor, Paul Gilfeather filed a report stating: “US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out remaining insurgents in and around Fallujah. News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun governments around the world.”

For over a week rumors have circulated in the Arab press that both napalm and other chemical weapons were used mainly in the Jolan district of Falluja, a major area of the fighting. Now, despite a US media blackout, more evidence is leaking out and causing a furor in the British Parliament. As Gilfeather reports: “Last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh.”

Blair is being pressed by furious MP’s to clarify whether or not he knew that the “banned weapon” was being used. He is also being asked to withdraw British troops if the US continues its use of napalm. As of this writing, Blair’s response remains unknown.
================================================

[Nothing Without Hope]

86. They want to instill terror - napalm would work. Lying means nothing

to them.

[Minnesota Raindog]

87. What's next--Agent Orange?

Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam.

[Dhalgren]

88. We are fucking monsters...

God help us, we deserve whatever retribution is coming...and it is coming.

[realFedUp]

94. kick

[BattyDem]

96. Napalm? We used fucking NAPALM?!?!

Tell me again how this war is different than Viet Nam. :grr:

[Roland99]

101. See my posts #s 38, 39, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, and 50

[BattyDem]

102. I read the entire thread after I posted ...

Thanks for all the info. This is really sickening. What are we doing to those poor people? :-(

[Roland99]

103. Whatever it takes to ensure a pro-U.S. "democracy" in Iraq

Gotta increase the market size for American companies and secure that oil and put pressure on surrounding countries to open up their nationalized industries to capitalism.

The American market isn't growing enough to keep corporate stock prices rising quickly enough.

What's going to happen when every country has turned to capitalism? How will companies grow their stock prices then? Start cloning people to increase market size? Colonize the moon and Mars?

[IChing]

98. US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

By Colin Brown, Deputy Political Editor
17 June 2005


American officials lied to British ministers over the use of "internationally reviled" napalm-type firebombs in Iraq.

Yesterday's disclosure led to calls by MPs for a full statement to the Commons and opened ministers to allegations that they held back the facts until after the general election.

Despite persistent rumours of injuries among Iraqis consistent with the use of incendiary weapons such as napalm, Adam Ingram, the Defence minister, assured Labour MPs in January that US forces had not used a new generation of incendiary weapons, codenamed MK77, in Iraq.>>>snip

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=647397

[orion9941]

99. "US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war"

This just keeps getting better and better and better...pretty soon Bushco and his council of doom will be in a whole so deep they won't be able to see the light.

[IChing]

100. welcome to DU....... post more

yes I hope just so the light of truth comes out

[Supersedeas]

104. Another story the US Corporate Media will bury or IGNORE

[MadisonProgressive]

105. There must be a mistake! The US never lies!!

[Supersedeas]

107. and the U.S. Corporate Media is eerily silent....odd?

[KansDem]

109. But...but...we're better than the Nazis!

Really! McCain et al said so...!