Mothers of Slain Soldiers, Others, Demand Bush's Impeachment

[UpInArms]

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6887.shtml

Mothers of American soldiers of killed in President George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq joined with a constitutional lawyer before Congress Thursday to demand impeachment of the President for lying to force America into war.

Constitutional lawyer John Bonifaz told a Congressional hearing sufficient grounds exist to impeach the President for lying to Congress about the justification for the war.

"The United States House of Representatives has a constitutional duty to investigate fully and comprehensively the evidence revealed by the Downing Street memo and other related evidence, and to determine whether there are sufficient grounds to impeach George W. Bush, the President of the United States," Bonifaz said.

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But some on Capitol Hill believe the memo will be Bush's undoing, like the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal that brought impreachment proceedings against Bill Clinton or the Watergate break-in that brought an end to Richard Nixon's presidency.

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(Note to Mods: As all of the MSM have failed to note the impeachment calls, I thought the headline was worthy of a post - do as you will and thanks for all you do)

[RalphReedsWreckedEm]

1. Imagine it was YOUR child

I'm afraid that demanding impeachment would be too mild for me.

I don't know if I could be held responsible for what I might do.

These mothers have more restraint that I might have. I respect their ability to control themselves.

[acmavm]

2. These are the things that will bring bush** & co. down. Here is their

'legacy'. Let them try to cash in on this political capital.

[niceypoo]

21. Bush blew his "Political Capital" on schaivo and SS

Blew the whole wad. Now he is a political limp dick

[calimary]

42. But he's only doing what he's good at. Squandering, wasting, destroying,

and fucking up.

Junior's on the case, alright.

It's probably the exact same thing he's done with everything solid and strong that was handed to him.

Just think of it for a moment:

A national surplus.
A nation at peace.
A nation at peace with its allies and trading partners.
Stronger employment.
Stronger efforts to fight poverty, AIDS, and hunger.
A military that wasn't demoralized and depleted.
America's good name.
America's good word - we once could be trusted.

And the list goes on and on and on.

Consider his track record:

Three Texas oil companies - viable until he came onboard.
A world-class education. Look at those grades he brought home from Harvard and Yale (imagine what some other, more deserving student could have done with that class time in those institutions).
Service to his country in the TANG. Honorable? Fully completed?

And the list goes on and on and on.

And consider, at the rate he's going, when he's fucked it all up, there'll be one last thing remaining for him to ransack (about which he can be counted on to be consistent): The bush family name. He'll even run through that. Which will be a good (and HIGHLY deserved) thing for all the rest of us.

[speedingbullet]

50. Bush's Legacy

I've been wondering how history will judge this period of America. Clinton gets impeached during a period of peace and prosperity. And Bush...?

[calimary]

53. It might be fun to start introducing a new buzzphrase about Clinton

to FURTHER underscore the contrast.

"The Peace and Prosperity President."

If THAT is repeated enough, it'll seep into the national dialogue and psyche, JUST AS the concept of IMPEACHMENT will.

Just has to be repeated, as bush himself said, to "kind of catapult the propaganda."

Repeat BECAUSE IT'S NEEDED!

[katty]

49. Want to see Impeachment question on Front pages of

all the MSM rags

[calimary]

54. ABSOLUTELY. The word "IMPEACHMENT" is now the operative

word. It HAS TO BE REPEATED again and again and again and again and again, in conversation. In letters to the editor. In phone calls to your media or your reps. To your friends. In the checkout line. Waiting in the ticket line. Waiting for the dry cleaning. Waiting for the coffee to finish perking in the coffee room at work. Waiting for WHATEVER. Waiting to finish pumping gas. Impeachment. Impeachment. Impeachment. Make it a common occurance. Spoken out loud. Muttered under your breath (but just loudly enough that the next guy over can hear it). EVERYWHERE. ANY OPPORTUNITY that presents itself.

[Imagevision]

65. Aricles of impeachment would suit me just fine - Bush will never be

impeached; "therefore I'm resigning the Presidency tomorrow at noon with a full pension scenario, going back to work for Carlyle on a full time basis.

It's a shame this President can't be brought up on war crimes. So many dead slaughtered for lies & profiteering!

[lildreamer316]

3. Exactly.

see, that's my problem these days...I am a fairly new mother of a little boy, and I swear if anything like this happened to him I would be on death row or worse. Unashamedly. I never used to feel that way.....I'm trying to control myself, especially with my spiritual leanings (as is obvious).Sigh.

[drduffy]

4. same for me

My son is 11. I'm an old father at 50 something. If he were killed to advance the neocon agenda .....

[chelsea0011]

15. My son is almost 15. With recruits down and the neo-cons looking

to stay in Iraq "to finish the job", I am sure we are looking at a draft down the road. I got into a huge arguement with a right wing freak who gets his info by Faux alone prior to the Iraq war. I simply stated that Bush and Co. were not giving us sound arguement for invading Iraq and I wouldn't want my son fighting a war without just cause. Well, now his daughter is coming of age with my son and I wonder if he would like his daughter over there.

[calimary]

46. They can't have my son, either. OR my daughter.

I wonder if the person you mentioned will conclude the same thing that a friend of mine has (with a daughter just out of high school and a son just going in): she still supports bush (excuses it by saying it's the people around him who've served and advised him so poorly, it sure as hell ain't poor widdle georgie), and the war, but she hears that "Canada is still a nice place..."

They're okay with it as long as all they have to do is buy those nice little magnets from China (you know the ones - that say "Support our Troops"?). I say if you supported the war, and despite the facts that are now openly being presented - that confirmed everything we said - you STILL support it, you should be first to enlist, and you certainly shouldn't be so unpatriotic as to keep your children out of the war, either. It's YOUR war. YOU go get YOUR legs blown off in it.

[Supersedeas]

26. Democracy at gunpt is hard werk for NeoCon chickenhawks--but

deadly work for our bravests and brightest

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[bushisanidiot]

5. Time for AWOL Bush to call his Buddy Bin Laden down in Crawford

to cook up another "attack" to get those poll numbers up and to get the american people to wave the flag and stop asking nosey questions.

[CHICKEN CAPITOL USA]

63. we are one terra event away from martial law

the question is not "if" but "when"-------
AWOL Chimp is planning on staying in forever.

[Supersedeas]

69. raise the Terra Alert level to code Periwinkle--how's the Anthrax

investigation coming along?

[JNelson6563]

6. I see this stuff as a waste of time

even if impeachment proceedings were successful, that would leave in place all the puppet-masters while having only eliminated the puppet.

Why bother? (and I ask that question in earnest)

Julie

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. If the impeachment and subsequent removal of Herr Busch uncovers....

...all of the lies told to the American people by the NeoCon Junta, every single one of that group will face criminal charges for conspiring with, and aiding Herr Busch.

If Ford hadn't pardoned Nixon, Nixon would have faced several criminal charges stemming from the information uncovered during the Watergate hearings.

[Art_from_Ark]

9. What do you think bu$h would do (and say)

if he were forced to testify in front of a committee with lots of Democrats and without cheney there to hold his hand?

[meganmonkey]

10. Why bother prosecuting criminals at all?

There is always another child molester or murderer waiting in the wings, ready to strike. Does that mean the ones who can be caught and punished should be left running rampant?

More specifically - all of these thugs live in the same house of cards. Even if only a couple get busted, the neo-con agenda will be exposed and the rest will have a much harder time staying in positions of power. The house of cards may fall.

[babylonsister]

12. Waste of time? So should we all just ignore

their criminality and duplicity? Can't do it.

[leesa]

16. Well, Julie, because he's committed treason and murder? Or does right

and wrong mean nothing unless there is political hay to be made.

[JNelson6563]

20. I put the "in earnest"

thing after my question to avoid snotty, self-righteous remarks like this. Apparently not effective enough, will try harder next time.

Julie

[silvermachine]

23. Then ask an intelligent question next time...

EOM

[UpInArms]

24. any question that stimulates discussion is intelligent .... eom

[silvermachine]

27. Not really...

...it may represent a kind of idiot energy. But not intelligence.

[UpInArms]

28. guess you and I went to different schools of thought

no question is stupid or should go unasked, even if it differs with "popular" opinion.

Questions arise for a variety of reasons - I have often followed discussions where I entered having one opinion and left with another.

If my questions were "stupid" and others "flamed" me for asking, I believe that those that flame would be the ones that showed stupidity and ignorance - destroying the possibilities of ever having discussions that led to understanding.

Throwing rocks never convinces someone that their arguments may be flawed, it is just a bully tactic that shows there is no thinking going on at the other end.

IOWs: If you cannot support your argument with facts, get a bigger stick?

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[silvermachine]

32. Coming from you...

...it's a compliment!

[calimary]

55. No, actually, it's a reasonable question for Julie to ask. Because LOTS

of other people out there will say the EXACT same thing. Just as this gardener guy (as liberal as can be) just did with me when I urged him to check out www.johnconyers.com - just a mere 15 minutes ago as of this writing. He was one of the Great Discouraged. Oh, I don't know if it'll do any good. It's easy enough to fall into that. We've seen ourselves being up against one hell of a PRESUMABLY invincible machine.

There are MILLIONS out there who feel this way. They need to be ENCOURAGED!!!!! Their concerns ABSOLUTELY need to be addressed. I know, I know. Sometimes I get mightily discouraged myself. But you can't let that overrun you!

Besides, if Julie's wondering, and asking what we KNOW other people are asking, also, it serves us VERY well to practice, here, answering this question without pointing fingers, and with increasing numbers of facts, good talking points, and good phrasing and wording choices to try out. Think of this as just rehearsal. Because we HAVE to take this out to those beyond DU. We HAVE to take this to anyone out there who needs to be educated and their souls saved.

If we give up, the bad guys win, and keep getting away with it.

As Wayne Gretsky once said: "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."

How do you know but that YOURS might be THE message that finally gets through to one of your knuckleheaded or koolaid-drunk friends or coworkers? How do you know that what YOU tell them might not be, maybe, the 14th time they've heard this, from 13 other people, and yours is finally the straw that breaks their camel's back?

Let's welcome these questions as a way to exercise our resolve and our command of the facts - that we can then SHARE to go out and - Dare I say it - EVANGELIZE this message! It won't go anywhere, or accomplish anything, if we keep it confined to this venue.

[JNelson6563]

39. And they say there are no elitists in our party

I really wanted to know what the good of impeaching Bush and leaving the brains behind the operation in charge would do.

At least I had a genuine question, you offered nothing.

Julie

[rodeodance]

51. the word impeachment needs to be headlines or no one takes these

minutes serioulsy.

[ozymandius]

17. I understand your point. But the story only starts with Bush.

The implications are manyfold. Bush may be impeached for these crimes - but he's not the only one. Cheney and others on down the line are also vulnerable to impechment proceedings. Then there are criminal trials. Then there are civil trials.

The sum of the situation is a very large, nasty ball of wax for everyone involved in this conspiracy. And this is a conspiracy. By definition, one cannot conspire with oneself. Anyone who has even a toe in the water in this conspiracy bears culpability. RICO statutes, as I have read, could come into effect. Wrongful death suits filed, and successfully argued, by those who lost loved ones in this illegal war would bankrupt the Bush family, et al.

The puppeteers would get theirs. Unlike a silly burglary that brought down Nixon - causing hundreds of thousands of deaths would do far more than bring the names of those responsible for this war into disrepute.

[JNelson6563]

18. This would be my hope Ozy

My fear is that Bush would be painted as the oen who bore the big guilt and that once he's gone it's all good. You and I both know he was merely the empty vessel that was used to perpetrate the crimes. The brains of the operation need to be apprehended or it's all for naught.

Good to see you Ozy, I've missed the STW thread, too busy to get into it beyond a quick peek every day. :hi:

Julie

[Occulus]

33. I strongly doubt, if RICO is invoked,

Bush would be the only one facing charges. My guess would be that it would end up involving the entire Bush family, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and others.

Personally- if the RICO statutes were to be used in a prosecution of this administration, I don't see how Bush would be the only one implicated. I think Richard Milhouse Cheney would be in it just as deep, among others.

[Tommymac]

41. Fallout will inevitably occur

See Watergate. In order to survive, the Repubs had to push Agnew aside ('unrelated' scandel, but they hung him out to dry), and made Tricky take Gerald Ford as #2.

The small fry will burn too...an inquiry of this magnitude will encompass more than just an impeachment against *. Through an impeachment process, a lot of other scandels will see the light of day.

If nothing else, we will buy time to stop their momentum, and to put checks back into place to keep them from carrying out their destruction of We The People's Constitution.

Yes, some will get away...but we will have shined the light of truth on the neocon agenda...watch them scuttle like cockroaches when you turn out the light.

[silvermachine]

22. Tell me you're not serious...

...waste of time? Sheesh. What planet are you from?

[JNelson6563]

40. Wow! Two nasty posts for one inquiry!

You trying to win a prize or something?

[WhiteTara]

31. I think the whole regime will crumble

because the fall out is going to be wide

[calimary]

48. Because of the signal this will send, Julie. It's VITALLY important that

we at least try for it. Look what our pushing and persistence has yielded thus far - the Downing Street Minutes and more are starting to hit the mainstream media, FINALLY!!

It's important. It sends the kind of message we SHOULD have sent in November 2004 - that we will NOT tolerate or reward bad behavior. If your kid was misbehaving would you reward him or her with that sleepover or the new video game or the whatever-it-is they were asking for? Would you let him/her stay up late and party it up or go out with friends? Or would you apply discipline or other appropriate corrective measure or penalty to discourage the bad behavior? We had a chance to do that last November when he should have been TURNED OUT OF OFFICE, so America could go to the world and to the UN and to the airwaves everywhere and announce that we were formally and officially UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT, and that the bad guys and their bad deeds and their bad judgments and their bad decisions got the unemployment and the eviction from power and prominence that they deserved. But it didn't happen. What the world saw was that we presumably approved of what the bushies did and wanted four more years of it. (I know, I know, the voter fraud figures in here, too, but that's the overriding message that was sent to the governments all over the world, and the bushies did not hesitate for a minute to exploit this and ram it down everyone's throats). In effect, we "punished" their bad behavior by reinforcing it, and them.

This would be a MOST needed, and appreciated, rehabilitative move for this country to make to the world. AND TO OURSELVES. It will be a CRUCIAL lesson for our children to see and absorb. That crime really doesn't pay. That evildoers really do get their comeuppance. That lying and cheating and stealing and bullying doesn't win in the end. And that the bad guys don't always get away wit it. Our kids NEED to see that in the real world. Our kids NEED to see that our government is OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AND FOR THE PEOPLE, and the people in that government are absolutely ACCOUNTABLE to US - THE PEOPLE. And that NO ONE, NOT EVEN THE WEE WOULD-BE DICTATOR, IS ABOVE THE LAW.

It would also be a HUGE shock to the system of the neocon movement, the republi-CON party in general, and all their assorted feeder groups like the fundies and other assorted wrong-wing wackos. A HUGE shock.

An impeachment of bush, or even the attempted impeachment, would force what's left of this rat's nest to limp to 2008, the party tarnished, some of their "finest" perhaps facing charges and prison terms, and few people in their "right" minds willing or honest enough to call themselves republi-CON (no less vote that way). They would be hobbled either way, if bush survives an impeachment or not. And if he doesn't, and we're stuck with cheney, remember one thing. Here's what dick cheney hates: having to operate in the open. Being up there at the very top where he's highly visible to EVERYBODY. He's the guy who likes to move and shake and pull strings in the shadows, under cover, behind closed doors. Because what he's usually up to is something he doesn't want you to see. HMMMM... wonder why THAT is... To have him out there in the fresh air and sunshine is what every cockroach coils from in revulsion, and he will, too. He will hate it, and he'll behave as though he hates it. And in the climate that will be left in this country after an impeachment, things will not be favorable OR easy for him. In private, he will tell friends and family he rues the day he ever ran across george w. bush. So will EVERY republi-CON on the face of the earth. Because they got thisclose, under him, and then he screwed the pooch for them. Maybe for DECADES.

It will be a setback of enormous proportions. Psychological as well. Whether impeachment goes through or not.

What have we got to lose - except our nightmare, and the nightmare-bringers?

[Guaranteed]

64. It's called justice.

And it should be applied to them all.

[ryanmuegge]

56. I tend to agree

I know little about specific statutes and whatnot. However, I'm not optimistic enough to think that the corporate/political elite will actually face any such justice. Nothing good ever happens. These people get whatever they want, whenever they want it. Even if Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc. happen to be removed, they will see to it that another neo-con is put into power. Unfortunately, little will probably change in the real world. I hope I'm wrong, though.

[Kurovski]

57. I'm not certain, but I seem to recall that

it is a constitutional duty to pursue impeachment inquiries under these sorts of circumstances.

I think it is a requirement. Anyone here who can say more about that?

[Voltaire99]

68. I agree with Julie

Daydreaming about impeachment is nice, but the Democratic Party doesn't even have the spine to stand up to funding requests for the war.

Impeachment? Heh; go elect some people with guts, and then we can talk about it.

[bribri16]

7. Since the MSM won't sensationalize the issue, here is a site

that has the issue formated for printing and distribution. Please go there. Make copies and distribute in your supermarkets, race tracks, casinos, churches, PTA meetings and members, and send some to any families of our military in Iraq TODAY!!!!!

http://www.justicefornone.com

[meganmonkey]

11. I love that site so much

I put it in my sig line!

Welcome to DU bribri16!!!

:toast:

[UpInArms]

13. Welcome to DU bribri16!

:hi:

and thanks for the link!

[Cobalt Violet]

14. Recommended!

Thanks for posting that.

[maddezmom]

19. and another: Democrats talk impeachment

Democrats talk impeachment


Critics: Bush based war on false pretenses

By Stewart M. Powell
Hearst Newspapers
Posted June 17 2005


WASHINGTON · Democrats on Thursday tried to build a case for the impeachment of President Bush for allegedly taking the nation to war in Iraq on false pretenses.

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee and a veteran of impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon in 1974, launched an unofficial, Democrats-only inquiry into allegations that Bush contrived U.S. intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to justify a long-planned, U.S.-British invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein.


The Conyers hearing lacked official standing because it was not authorized by the Republican leaders of the House. The hearing was held in a Capitol hideaway conference room under the control of Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the House Democratic leader, after Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, had rejected Conyers' request to use a more spacious committee hearing room.

Nonetheless, the forum invoked all the trappings of an official congressional inquiry, including sworn testimony, U.S. flags and coverage by C-Span, as Conyers publicly demanded that Bush "explain his actions" for going to war on what may have been "false pretenses" and "false information."


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-airaqmemo17jun17,0,7348476.story?coll=sfla-news-nationworld

[ElectroPrincess]

25. Not my daughter!

Our family, on both sides, has a proud Military Tradition of Service. My husband is Retired USMC and I'm an Army Veteran.

However, I kid you not, I'd personally break both of my daughter's legs to prevent her from going over to fight the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld Oil Wars. BTW it may be hard to follow through because my little girl has a Black Belt. :blush:

Thank goodness she reads varied news sources and agrees with her Momma that presently Military Service is NOT an option. Whew! :hi:

[davsand]

35. I simply can't imagine the anger there.

My heart goes out to ALL the families who have anyone serving in the military right now. I simply can't begin to gt my head around the anger that must be there for these families right now.

Shortly before we went into Iraq I had a conversation with a man I know who had a son in the military. He asked me my opinion on the looming invasion of Iraq, and I told him I didn't think they'd made a case for it.

He looked me in the eye and said he needed to think it was the right thing to do because his kid was gonna be sent there and he was afraid he'd go crazy if he didn't think it was the right thing to do.

I've talked about Chuck and his son on here before. I have also talked on here before about the impact it had on me to realize that no matter HOW MUCH I disagreed with the Iraq invasion, I didn't have the heart, personally, to take anything away from Chuck's belief that his kid was not being thrown away by the country he'd signed up to protect.

While I am poetically thrilled to see this kind of headline forcing people to REALIZE how wrong the war was and still is, I am literally weeping for the families who are facing this. I take no joy in seeing it, I only hope it speeds the end of this invasion and of this administration. The cost has been too high already.


Laura

[saigon68]

37. WAIT TILL THEY GET BACK---used up

The VA and the Neocons will piss long and heavily on them.

They will get squat for their disabilities and PTSD

[davsand]

47. Sadly, pissing on vets is not a new phenom.

Our nation has a very long and shameful history of pissing all over our veterans and it goes all the way back to the Revolutionary War and our militiamen who served there. From what I can tell, it never has improved much since those early soldiers were forced to collect reimbursements at gunpoint from Congress.

When you take a hard look at the Bonus Marchers and the way our Viet Nam vets were treated it becomes a clear pattern. Gulf War vets just round out an already ugly picture of how our government has always viewed our military.

I realize there has to be a certain level of personal detachment to ever admit a diplomatic failure and call for war. What I can't reconcile is this nation's ability to abandon those who served in that war (or any other) along with the abandon allows them to kill off so many of our sons and daughters.

Saigon68, I've seen your posts here at DU before, and have enjoyed them. I don't know if I've ever said it before now, but thank you for your service in our military. I figure you deserve to hear it from at least one person today...


Laura

[saigon68]

66. Thank You

I was only a small part of the machine

I work part time as a veteran's service officer attempting to collect benefits for those who earned them-- but alas are being denied.

Most people who do what I do, are very anti-war and it is difficult sometimes to see those drooling rustics who want their children to sign up for the bennies, or defend the so called bush definition of "FREEDOM"

In my line of work very few vets I talk to think its a good idea to trade a Leg for "freedom" or help the Bush Criminals make more money on their Halliburton and oil stocks.

Most vets want decent medical treatment for their wounds and a warm place to sleep and some food.

[MellowOne]

36. If the dreams comes true

And Bush goes through an impeachment trial, he'd look like a fool without being secretly wired because he never remember all the answers.

[deacon2]

38. This story hit AP / Yahoo - A big crack in the armor!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=1&u=/ap/20050617/ap_on_go_co/downing_street_memo

Shows a photo of Rep. Conyers (god bless him) at the gates of the White House facing down an "aide" with clenched fists. A classic image of struggle.

LA Times too, front page as part of a larger story on "discontent" with the war and the Jones/Kucinich timetable to bring the troops home.

I'm going to indulge in very uncharacteristic optimism and say that yesterday might have been the day we began to take our country back. Please keep passing this story along - and be sure to include the MSM version(s) and links to "validate" it for the uninformed and the unbelievers. Even the true-blue GOP know the day of reckoning is coming. That's why they scheduled 11 important votes at the same time yesterday. Their actions will come to be seen as obstructionist and despicable in due time. They are trying to bury the story while we continue to bury our dead.

"You must be the change you seek in the world." Thich Nhat Hanh

ed. Yahoo story doesn't show photo at the gates anymore. Maybe part of a slideshow?

[AzDar]

43. Let's face it....Lying to go to war in Iraq is just one of the MANY (and

arguably, the most heinous and treasonous)crimes that these rotten SOBs are
guilty of. From rigging elections, to war profiteering,to pissing on the Constitution, this Cabal is EVIL...they must be stopped.
Once one corrupt venture is revealed, and public support dwindles, the whole vile mess they've constructed on quicksand is about to come crashing down around their corrupt and empty heads!!!!!
And I want to watch 'em HANG!!!!
(Sounds rather blood-thirsty, doesn't it?)

[deacon2]

44. Is this story at NYT, WaPo etc. It better be.

If not, subscribers at this site need to write them now and call them on their bullshit. The editors claimed they hadn't covered DSM because it wasn't on their AP feed. Well, it sure as hell is now.

[rocktivity]

45. I didn't like the NY Times calling the participants an "anti-war group"

as if some knee-jerk pacifist hippies had broken into the the Capitol building and barricaded themselves in that room. And I don't like this headline, either. With all due respect to the grieving mother, making her the star of the story gives the hearing an emotionalistic cast. While it identifes John Bonifaz as a Constitutional lawyer (NYT said he was merely an "activist"), Conyers' name doesn't appear until the fifth paragraph.

:headbang:
rocknation

[rodeodance]

52. and the stories did NOT focus on the dead troops-they may have

been mentioned inside the story--but it to be the focus as it was in the hearing. Lots said about the dead/wounded but little in the press about it as a focal point of the hearing.

[MzShellG]

58. If Bush is impeached...

Wont that still leave Cheney, Rumsfield, Rove, Rice....et....al? There is no difference in the presidency, in that case. Is there any way to get rid of the whole administration?

[JFN1]

60. We'll have to impeach them one at a time.

And after they're all impeached, then we can try them for war crimes. After all, it was a war crime (IMHO) against our own soldiers to send them to die, based solely on lies. It may take a while, but eventually, they will all fall from power in disgrace. Speed the day!

[MzShellG]

61. I guess you're right.

The thing is, do we have the patience and the will power to fight? Its going to be a struggle, since those who abuse power, as they do, wont be so willing to let it go. My thought is that it will be all out war, getting those control freaks out of the WH. By the way, welcome board. :hi:

[JFN1]

62. Patience? We're Americans!

So of course we're short on patience! I don't think this means we'll lose interest - I think it means we'll push to get to the end as quickly as possible!

Will is another matter, since we are so divided. And many find it difficult to believe a President of the United States would actually commit the crimes Bush has. Those of us who have the will, and the understanding, must spread the word and thereby invite others to get involved. Never give up - this fight is more for our children and the world that awaits them, than anything else - we must ensure to stress this point!

Thanks for the welcome! DU rocks! :)

[earth mom]

59. Go Moms!

I'd do the same if it were my kid!

[Swamp Rat]

67. Kick kick kickity KICK!

:kick:

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