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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:13 PM
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CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is-Time
CIA Director Porter Goss said he has an "excellent" idea where Osama bin Laden is hiding, but the al Qaeda leader will not be brought to justice until weak links in counterterrorism efforts are strengthened, Time magazine reported on Sunday.

In his first interview since becoming head of the CIA last year, Goss also told the magazine the insurgency in Iraq was not quite in its last throes, but close to it.Goss did not say where he believed bin Laden was hiding, but intelligence experts have said the al Qaeda leader who has evaded an extensive U.S.-led manhunt is probably in the border region of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"I have an excellent idea of where he is. What's the next question?" Goss said in the interview."In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice," Goss said. "We are making very good progress on it."

He cited some of the difficulties as "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-06-19T165030Z_01_N19475356_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SECURITY-CIA-GOSS-DC.XML

Must be that DSM that we're now talking about Bin Laden
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tecelote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:15 PM
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1. Maybe we should be checking the royal palaces in Saudi Arabia?
Bush has a lot of friends there.
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:13 PM
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41. Self-deleted for sarcasm
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 10:14 PM by Kenergy
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 04:00 AM
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57. He's on a Beach near Cancun
Sunning himself. With a Corona in his left hand.

LOL
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:20 AM
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67. And a pretty blond from Alabama in his right...
"Yes, by the Beard of the Prophet, I will take you back to Aruba..."
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:55 PM
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80. LOL
Stunningly Funny
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 07:39 AM
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61. Or the White House basement bunker... (NT)
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:17 PM
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2. jeebus....excellent idea?
sounds like * and Porter's excellent adventure in the hunt for OSB.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:18 PM
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3. I'm sure they know EXACTLY where he is but they will NEVER bring him to
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 12:18 PM by spooked911
justice. And what fucking BULLSHIT: "In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice," Goss said. "We are making very good progress on it."
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:07 PM
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19. And what does capturing him have to do with bringing him to justice?
Nobody waited until they had a case against Saddam before caputuring him! Can't they tell when their talking points don't make sense? If you have an excellent idea of where he is, GO GET HIM!

:headbang:
rocknation
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:27 PM
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25. No, "excellent" in CIA speak means they don't have a fucking clue, else
they would have him.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:56 PM
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30. and the dog ate my homework
Goss is an ass.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:25 AM
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68. They must first file everything in triplicate, get it notarized then...
step backward 5 steps on one foot, turn around, say the magic work, drink a cup full of panther urine real fast then recite all of Ibsen's works backwards.
Then and only then will they have tied up the loose ends.

I find it interesting that, only a few weeks ago they went from, "we really don't have any idea where he is" to "now we know where he is".

So let me try and untangle this latest bit on the spin machine tour.

See for a long time they were saying they didn't know where the hell 0sama was. They kept repeating it. Now it appears that that had a negative effect on the publics impression of the war in Iraq and moron*. "How can I trust a prez that doesn't even know how to find Osama and is terrible at the Iraq war?"

Now they are saying, "we know right were he is, we have know all along, infact we know the apt number he's staying in", but they just can't get to him. They torture prisoners, they invade a country based on lies, the kill 100,000+ Iraqi people but now they can't get to where Osama is because of "technical reasons"???? WTF????

More bullshit. Basically, I can give you their answer, Osama is on earth. There you go. And I bet you anything he's in Pakistan.

Look at the reality of the situation. During this whole fucked up war on terror, we have been told time and time again not to go into Pakistan by the Pakistani gov't. If we did, it would piss off the locals, probably have Musarrif(sp) dead and nuts in charge of Pakistan's nukes.

On one of my very first posts in DU, I stated, "if you really wanted to fight terror, and you want to have an axis of evil, they should be the following nations: Pakistan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia". All repressive countries, all manufacturing terrorists. They repress their population, the population feels helpless to rise up to their home gov't so they take out their frustrations and all their problems on us. They are partly correct. We keep these gov'ts going, with our money, support of oil and weapons. Want to solve the terror issue?
Stop the money to the gov't and make sure it goes to non gov't agencies that help feed and clothe the poor, stop buying their oil and create a real alt fuel program here, and lastly, stop selling them weapons! Duh.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 04:46 PM
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84. If I'm right, and Osama had nothing to do with 9-11,
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 04:47 PM by dchill
they'll never catch him - alive anyway.

(IMO that's why they haven't got him yet.)
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:20 PM
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4. No surprise
Remember, if they catch him the American people will demand their rights back.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:22 PM
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5. Well ... where are you sending his paychecks?
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 12:34 PM by FlemingsGhost
Can't be too hard to find one of your own.
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angryxyouth Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:22 PM
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6. Kennybunk Port
He is hanging out with his friends.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:24 PM
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7. They suspect a ranch in Crawford nt
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:05 AM
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45. Too obvious. I'm betting "convenience store in Plano," myself
where a certain Mr. Sam Abinlading has recently purchased a Quick-E-Mart with optional gas pump.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:21 AM
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59. Where was that Island
where Porter Goss had that meeting with his CIA coleagues when he decided to run for the House?

Osama may be stashed there.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:24 AM
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72. Ooh! ooh!
that was mine!
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:24 PM
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8. With *s poll numbers tanking,,,, they'll probably "catch" him soon!!
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 12:24 PM by KarenS
Honestly, I thought they would "catch" him right before the "Election",,,,

The other poster was right though, they catch Osama and they'll have a more difficult time with the Patriot Act.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:34 AM
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74. Juan Williams suggested as much this morning on NPR- to salvage his
Presidency, * needs Osama now more than ever.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:28 PM
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9. Anyone check the Lincoln Bedroom lately??
Cheney's Wyoming hidaway? Maybe he's duck hunting with Dick and a certain SC Judge.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:29 PM
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10. "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states"
What happened to "if you harbor the terrorists you're with the terrorists"?
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BadNews Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:07 PM
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40. If the administration were to declare that he is in say Iran....
would anyone believe them? Wait it doesn't matter. I'm surprised that has not yet been the declaration.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:33 PM
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11. Is this from 2005, or 2004, or 2003, or 2002? n/t
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:49 PM
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29. Or 2001
when the terrorist attacks actually happened?
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Chauga Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:34 PM
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12. We know what the fuck we're doing THIS TIME!!.....yaddayaddayadda
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:39 PM
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13. It's about time they checked Unka Dick's hidey hole !
They will probably find anthrax-man there too !
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keep CHOICES legal Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:46 PM
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14. How long is that border?....

First, he says he has an "excellent" idea where OBL is hiding....and then he says he is PROBABLY in the border region of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Exactly how many miles does this Pakistan/Afghanistan border cover? It doesn't sound to me like he has an "excellent" idea of where he is hiding.....

Someone should remind Goss of what his boss thinks...

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

(President Bush March 13, 2002)

The American people care, but it doesn't seem to bother President Bush.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:47 PM
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15. "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with...
...a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."

So in other words, some of our "allies" on our war on terror are harboring him. Bush certainly didn't have any qualms about going into Afghanistan when they were harboring him.

I can't believe he even made that statement. What an insult to everyone's intelligence.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:54 AM
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55. Another neocon flipflop
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:55 PM
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16. hey, he's got an excellent idea...
...if Bin Laden was confirmed to be hiding in a country the Bush administration wants to invade, wouldn't that be excellent?

</sarcasm>
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:58 PM
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18. Sen. Weldon was on today's talk shows again pushing OSB has been in Iran
on and off. I'll try to find a link.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:14 AM
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62. That would be hilarious if it weren't so scary
Scary that they would make such a patently false claim...
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:12 AM
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66. here are the transcripts from MTP 6/12 and late Edition 6/19
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 10:13 AM by maddezmom
MR. RUSSERT: Ali said that Osama bin Laden is in Iraq--in Iran, excuse me.

REP. WELDON: He's been in Iran, and now we have military generals telling us that. Interestingly enough, the CIA totally refuted that when I first went to them. And by the way, the person who gave me this entire lead was a former Democrat member of Congress.

MR. RUSSERT: Can you believe that Osama bin Laden is in Iran today?

REP. WELDON: Today, I don't know. I gave the CIA hits over the past five months that he was there twice, and I also told them two years ago he was in a small town in a southern part of Iran called Ladiz, 10 kilometers inside the border with Pakistan in Baluchistan. I'd say he's been in and out repeatedly.

MR. RUSSERT: Congressman Curt Weldon, Senator Joe Biden, thank you very much for updating us on a very difficult issue.

SEN. BIDEN: Thank you very much, Tim.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8130648/


Do you have an excellent idea of where Osama Bin Laden is?

REP. CURT WELDON (R), PENNSYLVANIA: Well, Wolf, not right now I don't. But I have given three specific instances to the CIA, two to Porter Goss and one to George Tenet over the past two years. I'm confident that I know for sure he's been in and out of Iran, where Ayatollah Khomenei has been protecting him with his Revolutionary Guard.

Two years ago, he was in the southern town of Ladis (ph), ten kilometers inside the Pakistan border. I also know that earlier this year, he had a meeting with al-Zarqawi in Tehran. His whereabouts right now, no, I do not know.

BLITZER: How can you be so confident of that when the CIA says they're not confident of that? They dismiss it.

WELDON: Two years ago, the CIA was totally dismissing that bin Laden would be in Iran. But if you look at the recent comments coming out of both the CIA and some of our military generals in theater, they're now acknowledging the same thing that I've been saying -- that in fact, he's been in and out of Iran. No one can prove it exactly until we capture him.

But you asked my opinion. My opinion is he's been in and out of Iran several times over the past several years.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/19/le.01.html
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GHOSTDANCER Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:57 PM
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17. Ya on the shelf with the rest of the puppets.
<>
When they need the boogie man to continue their war on error, they break him out.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:12 PM
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22. Yes ... damn that Emmanuel Goldstein!
er, ummmmmm .... Osama Bin Laden.
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Zerex71 Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:11 PM
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20. I have an excellent idea where he is too.
Try looking at the Crawford Pig Farm. He's staying in Bandar Bush's suite when he's not in town to play kissyface with Chimpeachment.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:12 PM
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21. maybe to the address they are forwarding his checks...
:shrug:
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NYdemocrat089 Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:13 PM
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23. They're waiting until 2006 to get him.
n/t
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zara Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:25 PM
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24. east, west, north or south of the middle east for sure.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 11:22 PM
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43. LOL n/t
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:35 PM
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26. Just. Plain. Delusional.
These people are insane. The war on a tactic is almost over???? I just don't believe these idiots. They'll be pissing on your feet and telling you it's raining.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:40 PM
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27. Who cares about Bin Laden - WHERE'S CAT STEVENS!!!
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:43 PM
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37. ROFLMHO..."Where is Cat Stevens"?
last I heard he was somewhere the US Northeast corridor airspace near Bangor, Maine.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:46 PM
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28. An excellent idea of where he is - basically a meaningless statement
It is a sentence that could mean anything.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:08 PM
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31. why don't you just TELL him to move before we nab him?
seriously, this is as bad and as stupid as revealing troop locations.

don't broadcast that you have broken the code, just use the code to gain valuable intell.

don't tell the enemy that you know where their key assets are, just attack the key assets.


but of course, this all presumes that
(a) they're telling the truth and
(b) they actually want to capture bin laden.

:rofl:
:eyes:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:23 PM
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32. We know where he is; north and south and east and west, somewhat.
There is no doubt.

Republican rightwingnuts; stupidest lyingest MFers on the planet.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:37 PM
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33. "Sense of international obligation"? WTF?!
"The search is under way for those who are behind these evil acts. I have directed the full resources of our intelligence and law-enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them."

George W. Bush, Sept. 11, 2001


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09112001_200109116.html

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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:56 PM
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34. Maybe a Texas ranch???
Watching TV and throwing down some snacks in a recliner?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 04:01 PM
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35. Your kidding... He's in Tora Bora?
.... tch tch..well you just never know, I mean who'da thought...
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 04:35 PM
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36. Too bad Goss isn't participating in talks with the White House
Isn't Goss currently excluded from the briefings of the President? Oh, and if he wants to address the "weak links in counterterrorism", I have one word for him -- Pakistan.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:26 AM
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73. Goss just wants us to think...
that he has a "real job."
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:52 PM
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38. Imagine if...
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 07:53 PM by Rex_Goodheart
Imagine if Bush had shouted thru his megaphone on 9/12/2001 from on top that steaming pile of rubble at Ground Zero:

"We're going to get the people responsible for this, dead or alive, unless we encounter some weak links, and then we're probably not going to be able to bring them to justice!"

Would the crowd have cheered?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:59 PM
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39. Third Rock from the Sun, say Analysts
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nguoihue Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 11:15 PM
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42. Where's Osama
I predict they will say he's hiding in Iran, being protected by the Mullahs there.

What's another lie or two.

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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 11:24 PM
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44. Where's Osama?


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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:15 AM
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46. Gee
He always pop when Bush in trouble...

Oh Well.... What are friends for
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:33 AM
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47. Oh, now we give a damn about "fair play"...
He cited some of the difficulties as "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."

I bet a hundred-thousand dead Iraqis wished we thought of that sooner.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:07 AM
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71. respect for soviergn nations?
my ass. Since when did the Bush administration have ANY respect for soviergn nations? Give me an effing break.
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Nostradamus Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:01 AM
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48. Just have to check "address" field on CIA payroll program

And there he will be :

Agent X
"Dun Roamin"
Apartment D
George Bush Center for Intelligence
25 Dulles Drive ,
Langley
Virginia

Goss was having breakfast with OBL's paymaster on the morning of 911.

How obvious can it get.

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cat starbuck Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:05 AM
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49. I think bin Laden's in Indoneasia.
They are looking for him in the wrong place. Is this on purpose?
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:23 AM
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50. Goss is one man I would never listen to...
Bush shill, a 'yes sir' man...on of daddy's boys. I'm sure they all know exactly where bin Laden is. :sarcasm:
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:30 AM
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51. Bah,
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:58 AM
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52. LV has 'excellent' idea who the weakest link is n/t
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:17 AM
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53. I know where he is, too
He's wherever you're not, CIA-boy.

After nearly 4 years of Commander in Chief Dumbass "smokin' him out", Osama oughta be like a hunk of hickory-flavored beef jerky now. Wrap him in cellophane and bring him in already, for chrissakes.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:32 AM
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54. They have "an excellent idea of where" bin Laden is
...but they aren't going to apprehend/kill the bastard because "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."

Oh, fair play, right. Sounds more like Pakistan is currently on the safe side of our ever-shifting definition of a "sovereign state".

We invaded Iraq because of 9/11 even though Saddam had nothing to do with it; now we "know" where bin Laden is but we aren't going to get him for fear of upsetting Musharraf. Meanwhile, our soldiers continue to die in Iraq, allegedly at the hands of al Qaeda-trained terrorists.....

:banghead:

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loro mi dicevano Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:45 AM
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56. "Fair play" is only applicable when you're searching for a mass murderer?
"We know where Bin Laden is, but we're not going after him because of our respect for international law and 'fair play'."

GODDAMMIT.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 04:26 AM
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58. Just waiting for "Iran" or "Syria" to roll up on the screen.
That bastard's like a divining rod for oil.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:41 AM
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63. "Everyone knows he is in Iran"-Bo Dietl on Imus this morning
Bo suggests that we begin bombing immediately.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:35 AM
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60. "sense of international obligation, fair play."?????? LMAO
"dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states..."

ROFLMAO


Did he say this lie with a straight face?

The US? has a sense of fair play? respects sovereign states? lolololololololol

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:44 AM
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64. Weak Links!?! Coming from our Super-Powered CIA... WTF!?!
Oh, whatever... ya know, we can find Saddam hiding in a hole way out there in the BFE, but we just can't seem to find BL.

I'm one that believes he died when we bunker-bombed those mtns.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:59 AM
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65. further down in the article,
Goss says, "We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways that are acceptable to the international community."

Since when have they cared about what's acceptable to the international community?

We've seen their 'unconventional ways' - pre-emptive attacks, torture, lies to the United Nations - and there's no way to make their shit 'acceptable' to anyone.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:27 AM
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69. Reading between the lines.
CIA Director Porter Goss said he has an "excellent" idea where Osama bin Laden is hiding, but the al Qaeda leader will not be brought to justice until weak links in counterterrorism efforts are strengthened, Time magazine reported on Sunday.

Translation: As long as the current administration is in power, OBL will remain at large

In his first interview since becoming head of the CIA last year, Goss also told the magazine the insurgency in Iraq was not quite in its last throes, but close to it.Goss did not say where he believed bin Laden was hiding, but intelligence experts have said the al Qaeda leader who has evaded an extensive U.S.-led manhunt is probably in the border region of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Translation: Victory in Iraq is Just Around The Corner. (TM)

"I have an excellent idea of where he is. What's the next question?" Goss said in the interview."In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice," Goss said. "We are making very good progress on it."

Translation: We have no freakin' clue where Osama bin Laden is.

He cited some of the difficulties as "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."


Translation: We'd like for people to ignore future reports of illegalities committed in support of the Global War On Terrorism.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:41 AM
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70. Why, exactly,....
are we announcing this to the world?

:crazy:
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Number9Dream Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:45 AM
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75. If they went after Bin Laden like they are Mike Schiavo...
he'd be dead by now! (Variation on a great bumper sticker)
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:05 PM
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76. Who here wants to bet he will be "found" in Iraq?
Then they can all point and scream about how he WAS in Iraq after all!

It'll be a scam (even if he IS found, it won't be there) if they try it, but what do the sheeple care?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:07 PM
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77. ...seems like CNN thinks he's going to be found on Afghan/ Pakistan border
they have Brenda Starr there reporting and are pushing the OBL line today.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:09 PM
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78. I'll be highly skeptical no matter where they "find" him.
I don't trust Bush Co. any further than I can throw them, and especially not after Osama oh so conveniently "appeared" right before the election.
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:14 PM
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79. then go catch him, quit trying to distract us from DSM
thank you very much !

Do your job, don't tell us you are about to do your job.


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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:42 PM
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81. I was struck by his use of the term "Fair Play"
I would think that all Americans could agree that "Fair Play" should be out the window when it comes to getting OBL. Yet Goss applies it to third party sanctuaries where he thinks OBL is. And the administration disregards "Fair Play" in the concocted vanity war in Iraq. My only question is the administration's institutional schizophrenia involuntary or intentional.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:55 PM
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82. Iraq insurgency near it's last throes heh?
Hmmm...boy he is a credible source of information isn't he?

And we know where Osama is, but Pakistan doesn't want us to get him so that's our "fair play" deal as our way of thanking them for 9/11.

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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:03 PM
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83. You are either with us or against us
if you harbor terrorists you will be considered a terrorist.

A quote from above:
'He cited some of the difficulties as "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."'


So getting Bin Laden isn't as important as international opinion and law?

So what was all the hubbub, bub?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 04:58 PM
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85. Didnt they also have a good idea where Al-Zaqarwi (sp?) was?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:21 PM
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CIA 'knows Bin Laden whereabouts' (bbc)
CIA 'knows Bin Laden whereabouts'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4110786.stm

The US has offered $25m for Bin Laden's capture
The head of the US Central Intelligence Agency has said he has an "excellent idea" where Osama Bin Laden is hiding.
But CIA director Porter Goss did not say when the world's most wanted man would be caught, nor his location.

He told Time magazine there were "weak links" in the US-led war on terror. His remarks follow recent US criticism of Pakistan's role in hunting suspects.

Bin Laden, wanted for the 9/11 attacks, is widely believed to be in Pakistan's tribal region bordering Afghanistan.

?just before the 2006 elections?


What is al-Qaeda?


He has eluded capture ever since the 11 September, 2001 airliner attacks in the United States for which al-Qaeda is blamed.


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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:21 PM
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86. I love this headline every five weeks.
It restores that sense of equilibrium that the yield on the 10 Year Treasury Note has taken away.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:21 PM
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87. If they did know his location telling everyone is a very strange way...
of capturing him.

Must be some new method like the "lack of surprise" method
for capturing Goldstein.

I mean Bin Laden.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:21 PM
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88. SURE they do!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:21 PM
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89. As everyone knows who watched Jon Stewart last Thursday -
he is in Iran. Neocon with new book out (Tinneman) says he planed 9/11 with Iranian government and author has eye witness accounts from a source in the meetings.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:21 PM
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90. You know we're living in Bizarro world when a self-described fake news
show is the only one reporting the truth.

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:21 PM
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91. Please can somebody post an Elmer Fudd picture?
Be verry verry kaa white we are hunting bin Laden ahahahhahahaha

Memo to CIA if you know where he is shut up!

Kind of like deer hunting .... All right deer we are coming after you .....
tromp tromp tromp ...... must be no deer here.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:22 PM
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92. Shhhh ... don't wett da tewwa-wists hear you!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:22 PM
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93. Thank you ......
:rofl:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:22 PM
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94. hahahahahahaha
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:22 PM
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95. Yes, but do they have his seat number?
Inquiring minds want to know...
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:22 PM
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97. HEY! If they HAD his SEAT number THEY COULD HAVE PREVENTED
tewwa wist attacks on 911!!!

So sayeth CONDI anyhoodle.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:22 PM
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96. I know where Bin Laden is too. In a grave in the mountains of Tora Bora
where he died and was buried;

he was buried on December 23, 2001.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:38 AM
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107. "we will deal with those who harbor them and feed them and house them."
"We will not only deal with those who dare attack America, we will deal with those who harbor them and feed them and house them."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010915-4.html
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:50 PM
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98. Goss Claims He Has Idea Where Bin Laden Is
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 10:45 PM by Bucky
Goss Claims He Has Idea Where Bin Laden Is

Mon Jun 20,12:45 PM ET

NEW YORK - The director of the CIA says he has an "excellent idea" where Osama bin Laden is hiding, but that the United States' respect for sovereign nations makes it more difficult to capture the al-Qaida chief.

In an interview with Time for the magazine's June 27 issue, Porter Goss was asked about the progress of the hunt for bin Laden.

"When you go to the question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play," Goss said. "We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways."

Asked whether that meant he knew where bin Laden is, Goss responded: "I have an excellent idea where he is. What's the next question?"

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050620/ap_on_go_ot/brf_cia_chief_bin_laden
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:50 PM
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99. Since when does the US have respect for sovereign nations?
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 10:46 PM by BattyDem

:eyes:

I think Iraq, among others, would disagree with that statement.


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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:50 PM
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100. He has an excellent idea?
Here's an excellent idea: do not capture this man. He's the pillar holding up the Bush Presidency.
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END_HATRED_NOW Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:50 PM
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101. It's not going to matter...
They don't want to capture bin Laden, as long as he is free, Bush & the military will have an excuse to keep invading countries. don't you get it yet? why do you think they didn't capture bin laden when they had him cornered in Afghanistan...they don't care!Even Bush stated he didn't care!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:50 PM
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102. Um, whatever happened to the one smart thing Bush ever said about...
"Nations that harbor terrorists." Sorry Porter, but sovereignty schmovereignty. If you know where that mass murderer is, if you even just "have an excellent idea" where he is, you go in there and get his ass. How long do you have to think about that one?
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:50 PM
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103. OH yes he is in Iran
See now US can attack Iran oops we cant find him now we are in...... hey I know where he is he is in Canada oh lets attack Canada then .... piece of bullshit just use a bullet and end this dumb shit
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:50 PM
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104. Goss: I'll tell you where when I'm told which country we are to bomb next.
So many choices.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:50 PM
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105. I seriously believe
they do not want to catch him. If they do they will lose their boogey man. It will be hard to some up with a bin Laden tape 2 days before the next election if his head is on a stake somewhere for all to see.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:27 PM
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106. Somewhat north, south, east and west of his asshole. nt
No text damnit.
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