(Democratic &)Republican senators challenge Bush's Iraq optimism

[maddezmom]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush needs to tell Americans the nation faces "a long, hard slog" in Iraq, a key Republican senator said on Sunday, and another said the White House was "disconnected from reality" in its optimism over the war.

"Too often we've been told and the American people have been told that we're at a turning point," Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), an Arizona Republican, said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "What the American people should have been told and should be told ... (is that) it's long; it's hard; it's tough."

It's going to be at least a couple more years," said McCain, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee

~snip~

nore: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050619/pl_nm/iraq_usa_dc_1;_

[skooooo]

1. Sounds like a draft is coming, to me. n/t

[NYC Liberal]

3. Why should we need a draft?

I mean, I am sure all those war hawk Republicans who were so gung-ho about killin' all them "Eye-Rackys" are signing up in droves! I am sure they are very eager to fight the war that they supported!

Right??

</sarcasm>

[converted_democrat]

12. I don't think there will be a draft, we just hired 10,000 Ugandans to

to fight for us.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/628/628p19i.htm

[atreides1]

20. As Guards and Secretarial staff

Which means more American troops for combat patrols, what a wonderful idea?

But it still isn't enough to get control of Iraq, everytime the US conducts an offensive in Al Anbar Province(Western Iraq), the insurgents seem to be able to sail right into Baghdad woth little to no opposition.

So there might still need to be a draft, mainly because the Ugnadans
are not going to die for Shrub Asshat!!!!!

[converted_democrat]

31. I don't know, I 've seen alot of articles......

http://islandnet.com/~bbcf/_articles/usa_war_resisters_apr05/usa_war_resisters_apr05.htm

http://islandnet.com/~bbcf/_articles/usa_war_resisters_apr05/usa_war_resisters_apr05.htm

[Cha]

2. Is condjob sending mixed

messages?

"Rice Says Administration Told Americans Iraq Would Be A “Generational Committment".

This morning on Fox News Sunday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was asked if “the Bush administration fairly be criticized for failing to level with the American people about how long and difficult this commitment will be?”


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3896370

[LynnTheDem]

4. The Iraqi people disagree.

But then, Condi and her "husband" don't care about American or Iraqi lives.

[ellenfl]

9. bullsh*t! they said we'd be out of there in 6 months! eom

[MadisonProgressive]

32. Bullshit!

They said the 'war on terror (to acquire the planets major oil supplies)' would be a generational commitment. They said the war in Iraq would take 'months, not years'. I'm surely not the only one to remember that comment from Rumsfuck!

[Straight Shooter]

5. "It's long, it's hard, it's tough."

I wish these politicians would stop talking about this war as if it's some stale piece of beef jerkey. Shut up with the cliches already and get to work on a solution to bring our troops home.

[TheWatcher]

13. "It's Hard Work."

[daleo]

15. The imagery seemed pretty sexualized.

I don't know if it was subconscious on his part or not. Republicans seem to have a peculiar tendency to do this. Maybe a result of an ideology based on repression.

[rocktivity]

6. Bush needs to tell us HE SCREWED UP, that he's SORRY he SCREWED UP

and that he NEEDS THE WORLD'S HELP!!!

:grr:
rocknation

[warsager]

10. rocknation

now i think you are living in lala land. That will never happen.

:cry:

[rocktivity]

16. I said, that's what he NEEDS to do

I NEVER said that he WOULD!

:headbang:
rocknation

[moobu2]

7. Mission accomplished

[UpInArms]

8. Mission Accomplished

Thousands Dead
Billions in Debt
Cronies Happy

:argh:

[Robeson]

11. And the optimal thing for Bush: Cronies Happy.

[GetTheRightVote]

14. I heard it would be over a decade before it was over

They are in it for the long haul, but they forgot about the public in the streets who thought it would be over in a few months. It is time to end these lies.

:kick:

[Beetwasher]

17. A Great Start To The "Iraq is for Lovers!" PR Road Show!

n/t

[meganmonkey]

18. LOL

and :cry: at the same time...

[cliss]

19. Well, John McCain should

shut his big mouth. Notice his statement, "It's going to be at least a couple more years".

How nice. Just 2 more years. OR --------

maybe not? Maybe 20 more years. That's more like it.

McCain is not much better than Bush. He just wants to be the one who's doing the bashing.

[MadisonProgressive]

33. Might as well have said 'it will be at least another day'! Meaningless!!

[truthpusher]

21. McCain: U.S. in Iraq 2 More Years ("....should be told in reality")

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0605/236935.html

McCain Expects U.S. in Iraq 2 More Years
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Location: Washington
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Posted: June 19, 2005 5:48 PM EST
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Washington (AP) - A leading Republican senator said Sunday it probably would take "at least a couple more years" before enough Iraqis are capable of securing their country, a prime condition set by the Bush administration for beginning to withdraw U.S. troops. "I don't think Americans believe that we should cut and run out of Iraq by any stretch of the imagination," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

"But I think they also would like to be told, in reality, what's going on. And, by the way, I think part of that is it's going to be at least a couple more years," said McCain, the No. 2 Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

(snip)

"I think we should tell people it's not going to be short," McCain said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

complete story: http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0605/236935.html

[MichiganVote]

22. Well I think you are all assholes who expect us to waste men, women,

money and time waiting for you all to get your shit straight. And guess what? You people couldn't talk straight to the American people if your lives depended on it.

[EVDebs]

23. McCain : US in Iraq "10 or 20 years...that's not so bad"

When asked this week (Sept 4, 2004) on CNN how long the U.S. military is likely to remain in Iraq, Senator John McCain replied "probably" 10 or 20 years. "That's not so bad," he said

www.spectrumz.com/z/fair_use/2004/09_04.html

and now the US is building 14 enduring bases

Chicago Tribune March 23, 2004
14 `enduring bases' set in Iraq
Long-term military presence planned
www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040323-enduring-bases.htm

we can now call these Republicans LYING SACKS OF *

[Hissyspit]

24. Wow, longest "cakewalk" in history....

Senator, try 5-10 years - anyone for 15?

[cornermouse]

25. So we're just supposed to spend the next two years quietly hoping

that we won't lose any more family members and friends in Iraq? That should go over real well.

[Turbineguy]

26. ".... a couple more years...."

Could you give that to me expressed in lives and treasure please?

Thanks!

[EVDebs]

28. McCain knows about those 'enduring bases' and who's going to man them

How long will the Republican party continue with the lies ? McCain should not even think of running in '08. He knows his original "10, 20 years...that's not so bad" is what he really meant.

[leftchick]

27. condi said today it would be for a "Generation"!

looks like ol johnnie is still out of the loop. :eyes:

[Career Prole]

29. Hard work...gonna be hard work. Yeah, we got that message already

from your boss, McCain.

If you want to be really honest tell people that you have no better idea what changes two years from now will bring than you did at the outset.

After the first two years the situation is actually worse, with nothing much to show for it at all except some stupid purple fingers that you talk far too much about and 1700+ dead soldiers who you hardly mention at all.

Now you're saying two more years will make all the difference.

Why should we believe you now? Give us a friggin' reason.

Jerk.

[confludemocrat]

30. What's this shit about until they can "secure their own country"?

Securing their country against whom?

Who wants that country now that the U.S. has made bloody hash out of it. I don't buy this

crap. This is being done in the hope that insurgents will give up. It's their country and they

will not give in. If your country is where civilization began in so many ways, would you let

anyone dominate you in every way? Kill your children, ruin your places of worship, steal

your oil, let your cultural heritage be plundered by thieves, dictate laws that determine

your future economically, hire their corrupt friends to supposedly rebuild your country-

and not any of your own people in a substantial way-and then botch the job so badly you

don't even have electricity most of the day? McCain, you will fry in the lowest ring of Hades

along with Bush.

[MadisonProgressive]

34. So ignorant they are. It's like Viet Nam never happened!

[JABBS]

35. McCain didn't say two more years

McCain said "at least a couple more years." There have been plenty of estimates suggesting the U.S. will be in Iraq for 10 years.