Falwell says religious right has sights set on beating Clinton in '08

[truthpusher]

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3500038

Falwell says religious right has sights set on beating Clinton in '08
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. Conservative religious leader Reverend Jerry Falwell is giving evangelicals credit for putting President George Bush in office last year.

The Lynchburg minister told the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Nashville yesterday that the Christian group now has its eye on defeating Hillary Clinton if she runs in the next presidential election.

Falwell said "the church" won the 2004 elections, and the 2008 race poses a bigger challenge.

The 71-year-old Falwell said he's "too old to care or be intimidated" by those who oppose him.

link: http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3500038

[maxrandb]

1. I Guess God Told Him "She Must Be Defeated" n/t

[Burma Jones]

2. Hillary is such a great Bete Noire for the Ass-Holier than thou set

Go ahead guys, keep your eyes on Hillary...........

[SaveElmer]

3. Great news for Hillary!!!

Only makes people more sympathetic to her!!!

[SHRED]

4. Falwell is still alive?

I thought that old satan's spawn croaked and went back to his firey home.

[Ambrose]

35. That is EXACTLY what I was thinking! (nt)

[UpInArms]

5. Foulmouth needs to STFU

whatever happened to the separation of church and state?

Doesn't this organization get tax breaks that need to be revoked?

:argh:

[asjr]

7. Indeed! This is a blatant case of political invasion. However,

who will investigate? No one. No one investigates anything anymore. Especially if it would be detrimental to the Republicans. When the SCOTUS appointed and annointed our great leader he became the pResident of the Republicans--not America.

[leesa]

6. Good. Let the jackels keep exposing themselves for what they are.

[Hobo]

8. Who cares what Radical Cleric Jerry Falwell thinks or says

He was never elected to any office. He just a guy with church in the hinterlands of Virginia. I always wondered why he gets all the pub he gets. Koresh, I really despise that man.

Hobo

:beer:

[leftofcool]

9. Is this puke still breathing?

Too bad. I thought he had already gone to meet Satan...........I mean, his Maker.

Left of Cool

[liberal N proud]

10. Great, that could be used in our favor!

I don't really think Hillary is running in 08 and if they want to spend capital and money on defeating an candidate who isn't running then let them waste their TIME and MONEY.
Meanwhile we can run another candidate right past their little regime and blow them out of the water before they pull their little tiny heads out of their assholes.

[northernsoul]

57. Hillary may be the perfect decoy

Think about, if the RW blows tons of energy and $$$ into trying to take her down, they'll eventually end up damaging their own credibility and end up looking like the vicious @$$holes that they. Now imagine if he never even enters the race in 2008 - they'll shoot their own foot off and never even lay a glove on the real 2008 candidate.
I've got mixed feeling about Hillary myself, but if she would be willing to play this stalking horse role to help ensure a victory in 2008, I'd think she was one of the greatest Democratic heroes of all time.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. Didn't he f*ck his mom in an outhouse?

:shrug:

[fob]

42. Yes. Whilst enjoying some alkeehol, I might add.

:evilgrin:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

12. Senator Clinton has done so much more in her lifetime for the good

of the human race (especially children) than this loud mouth has ever even thought of doing. He is a cartoon.

[Meeker Morgan]

13. Too much ideological analysis ...

... It's a fund-raising gimmick.

[bunkerbuster1]

14. Thank you. That's all it is.

That's all the HRC bashing has been.

Don't forget that the Shit Floaters were/are nothing more than a money-raising operation, as well. They exist not because of ideology but to expand their own organization.

The religious nuts smell money in bashing HRC, and they're off to an early start. Why not? Stupid people will open their checkbooks.

[trogdor]

18. They'll be sorely disappointed...

...when they've spent three years and the majority of their cash bashing Hillary, she gets reelected next year 70/30 without breaking a sweat, and doesn't throw her hat in the ring for President.

Some of these whackos are so convinced that Hillary is running for President in '08, their heads will explode when the Iowa Caucuses begin and she is nowhere to be found.

[tanyev]

20. That is my hope.

Hillary does not run in 08, but she plays it coy enough right up to the filing deadline so that these people waste millions and millions of dollars and countless hours of manpower tilting at their windmills.

[Scooter24]

21. There was an ad

on our PBS station trying to solicit donations for Falwell's university fund.

For a $50 donation, you get a free "estate planning" guide that showed you how to have a Christian" will among other things. :P

[Melynn]

31. It is just a fund-rasing gimmick

Why would you gear up for an election that is three years away? Hillary may not even run for President in '08. She may not even run for reelection to her Senate seat in '06. Stranger things have happen.

Farwell knows that the fundies hate both Clintons and will open their wallets to beat Hillary.

[AzDar]

15. That's nice "Reverend" Falwell...you go on and beat Hillary. I'm sure

that our ACTUAL nominee in '08 will really appreciate your godly efforts.

And by the by, there, you unholy lump of shit...the "Church" didn't
put the Shrub in office, Diebold did.

[u2spirit]

16. See Hillary

Cozying up to the right wing and promoting faith based programs and the war has gotten you nowhere. The base is skeptical of you for good reason and the right will always hate you no matter what.

[Skittles]

17. by the time bush's term is over people would vote for a ham sandwich

damn it's sad how threatened these pieces of shit are by a strong woman

[Mizmoon]

19. Jerry, your mom is calling you from the outhouse ...

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[BR_Parkway]

28. What's up with the outhouse and his mom? I've seen something

about it a couple of times, but no further info. Enquiring minds want to know.

Besides, the fat fuck is so worried about what goes on in my bedroom, I should find out what goes on in his outhouse.

[onager]

33. From Larry Flynt's famous fake Campari ad...

Hi B-R,

The references to Falwell's mother and the outhouse go back to a famous "spoof" ad that Larry Flynt ran in HUSTLER magazine. At the time, Campari had a magazine ad campaign called "my first time." Various celebrities appeared in full-page ads about the first time they drank Campari.

Flynt turned this into a spoof campaign about the "first time" various famous people had sex.

Falwell was an old Flynt nemesis who had already won the...uh, coveted "A--hole Of The Month" award in Hustler several times.

So just for him, Flynt created an ad that said Falwell's first sexual experience happened with his mother in the family outhouse.

Falwell, as pompous and humorless then as now, filed suit for libel, defamation of character, and I don't know what all. I believe he won in a Virginia court.

Flynt then appealed to the Supreme Court and won in a 9-0 decision. Even Scalia and Rehnquist said they weren't willing to overturn free speech just because some celebrity Fundie asshat got his feelings hurt.

For an entertaining thumbnail view of all this, you could rent the movie "The People vs. Larry Flynt."

[Megahurtz]

34. It's probably true. n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

22. Does anyone understand the virulence of Hillary-hatred?

I don't get it, really I don't.

I've heard it for a long time, from people I might otherwise have thought fairly reasonable. It's never reasonable, it's foaming at the mouth hatred.

Is it fear?

I'm concerned about a Hillary run, simply because the hatred runs so high and so passionately. I think she'd bring out the powerful worst in these people, and I'm so tired of that. But I cannot fathom why she is so much more hated than any other Democratic politician, including other women.

Can someone get enough into this mindset to explain?

[Yavin4]

24. The Clintons Are Hated Because They Fight Back and Win

Democrats who don't fight back and just take it from Republicans (see Dukakis and Kerry) are not hated. This also explains why the attacks on the Clintons get so hysterical and shrill. The Republicans have to invent issues out of whole cloth to attack them. Take for example, "Whitwater", "Travelgate", etc. None of these attacks hurt because the Clintons fight back and fight back hard.

There are a lot of things that I don't like about Bill and Hillary, but I do love their fighting spirit. They love to fight. They love to campaign, and they love to win. They won't take vacations in the middle of a presidential campaign like Kerry did.

[fob]

45. Here's what I dont' understand. If you take the redfreeptypes at there

word, they want a southern white man as president who is religious and talks with that twang, kicks ass but is not an elitist. That description fits Bill Clinton perfectly yet these same fuckers couldn't hate him fast enough. Then these same fuckers turn around and latch onto an elitist northeastern lazy, do-nothing, faux "texas" cowboy with an on-agian off-again "accent" who is about as anti-religious while flogging the faithful as you can get, dickknocker son of a fucking skank-ho bitch and a wimp-ass, Japanese-puking-on cut-and-running October-surprise cheating ass fuckstick.

:shrug: Anyone care to square that circle for me?

[Yavin4]

48. Red-State, Freeper White Males Need to Feel Superior to Everyone who is

not White, not Male, and not heterosexual, and that's precisely what Bill Clinton does not do for them. Sure, there was a lot of prosperity around when Clinton was president, but too many people of other races, too many women, too many Gays and Lesbians, and too many non-Christians were also participating in the prosperity.

The GOP wins these people over by making them feel good about their ignorance, their racism, and their intolerance of things not like themselves. The Clintons are the antithesis of this.

IOW, the Clintons are not biggoted enough for them. Bush and the Republicans are.

[sattahipdeep]

26. sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace

He got a sweet gift of gab, he got a harmonious tongue,
He knows every song of love that ever has been sung.
Good intentions can be evil, Both hands can be full of grease.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Dylan.

[Strawman]

27. It's pure "who the hell does she think she is" sexism

[Tyrone Slothrop]

29. I think the Clinton's are the living embodiment of the 60's

to these people.

After all, Clinton was a "draft-dodger", a "dope-smoker", a pseudo-hippie, etc. The whole Lewinsky thing painted both of them as leftovers from the whole "free love" movement.

I think that's what fuels so much of their hatred of them. A lot of people are still fighting the culture war that was taking place in the late 60's and the early 70's.

[BuddhaGirl]

23. Rev. "Fartwell"

stinks all the way to high heaven! :evilgrin:

[dArKeR]

25. Bend over and squeal for us again Scary F!

[cmd]

30. too old to care or be intimidated?

Well so am I. There are thousands more like me, Falwall.

[symbolman]

32. Yeah, why not?

His kind have been beating Christ for 2000 years.

If anyone killed Christ it's people like Falewell, and fundies, who have completely destroyed everything Christ actually stood for..

Go piss up a rope, you fatass flat earther.. if there was anyone I'd like to catch in a back alley while wearing a nylon over my head and holding a baseball bat it would be this guy..

Still think you're too old to care or be intimidated by anyone Fatwell?

Falewell-the Other White Meat.

[Norquist Nemesis]

36. Keep talking Falwell!

And while you're at it gather supporting Republican Congress around you, put Randall Terry on the calendar, and bring Ralph Reed along for a rally. Don't forget Pat Robertson either!!

Having Falwell out there telling the nation the message is from God's mouth to his ear should be just enough for real Republicans to be completely fed up and give Hillary a sincere and honest look at voting FOR her.

[MGKrebs]

37. Oh man are they going to owe a lot of back taxes someday!

[CBHagman]

47. Yes. It's time for a visit from the IRS.

Barry Lynn, call your office!

[Megahurtz]

38. Why doesn't Falwell just

shut the fuck up? I can't stand him.x(

[William Seger]

39. "Credit" for putting President George Bush in office last year?

Wait 'til people start seeing that as "blame."

[CBHagman]

40. Announcing a life of sin?

Since when does God ask that we install the mendacious, the cruel, the selfish, the vindictive? Those are hardly fruits of the spirit...

[gulliver]

41. I wish Hillary would just bow out. She's just fueling the right's ...

... fundraising efforts. If she were even considering a run, I would lose all respect for her. Being married to Bill isn't a qualification any more than being the son of Bush senior. Hillary is a good soldier as New York Senator. As a presidential candidate she would be a complete disaster.

[NewJeffCT]

43. They won't believe her even if she did...

They raised a ton of money in 2003 & 2004 on the idea that Hillary would come in & save the Democrats by announcing for President at the last minute. The only thing that would stop them from using "Stop Hillary" as a fundraiser would be if she passed away... and even then, they might use Hillary's ghost to raise money, or then they'd get to work on Chelsea.

[CBHagman]

46. That wouldn't change the religious right's plans, though.

I watched during the '80s as Falwell sat smugly on sets and declared Reagan the "greatest president since Lincoln." :puke: I watched as Falwell called fellow guests liars. I read of someone in the religious right (Falwell? Robertson?) denouncing Archbishop Desmond Tutu as a "phoney."

Falwell, Robertson, and their ilk don't really care who's running; it's their selfish, cruel, bloody, racist agenda they want to promote. These people do the opposite of Jesus and yet still expect to be regarded as revered members of the Christian faith. :puke:

Hillary isn't the problem. The money-and-bigotry machine is.

[bunny planet]

44. This is the main reason I worry about Hillary being the nominee.

It will be much easier for them to have a back-up story for stealing the election again. They will just play with their machines again, and pull their usual shenanigi, and then the cover story will be that the fundaholic base hates Hillary for her values and they came out in droves to vote against her. If it's a much less polarizing candidate, that cover story won't work as well. Don't get me wrong, I think it sucks, that we should even have to consider what these 'religious' crazies think or will do but that is the reality these days. The truth of the matter is that it was the fixing of the machines and the disenfranchising of voters that put little Georgie over the top this time around. The story for public (sheeple) consumption is that it was 'moral values' and the religious right (Falwell said that they ARE the Republican party) that put His Fraudulency in office.

[quaoar]

49. 'Church won the 2004 elections'

http://miva.jacksonsun.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?NEWS/news_storyV2005.mv+link=200506217314758

By ROSE FRENCH
The Associated Press
06/21 2005

NASHVILLE - Conservative religious leader the Rev. Jerry Falwell credited evangelicals for putting President George Bush in office in 2004 and said the Christian group now has its eye on defeating Hillary Clinton should she run in the next presidential election.

''The church won the 2004 elections and don't let anyone tell you any differently,'' Falwell told a crowd of about 9,000 attending Southern Baptist Convention Pastor's Conference, a prelude to the two-day annual SBC convention which starts today.

''Now we've got a bigger challenge ahead of us. We've got to deal with Hillary in '08,'' Falwell said Monday, amid cheers and clapping from audience members in the Gaylord Convention Center in downtown Nashville.

Showing no signs of recently being hospitalized, the 71-year-old Falwell said he was ''too old to care or be intimidated'' by those who oppose him.

[MisterP]

50. the AntiChimp addressed the SoBaptist convention

[Melodybe]

51. Diebold won the 2004 elections!

Bush was up shit creek until his mandate!

sign the petition:

www.verifiedvoting.org

[gratuitous]

52. "Too old to care or be intimidated" by those who oppose him?

So Falwell doesn't care anymore that he's unbiblical, unchristian and going against God? Well, that's nothing very new; Falwell's version of God has always borne a striking resemblance to his own mirror image for anyone with eyes to see.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

53. The Church of Diebold and ESS

:eyes:

[blm]

54. True. Wanna guess how many churches also had electronic voting machines?

The religious extremists of the rightwing have no commandment against vote-rigging or lying as long as it can add to their power.

[Sapphire Blue]

55. Christian Alliance for Progress - Reclaiming Christianity (from the RW)

Christian Alliance for Progress: http://www.christianalliance.org

About the Alliance

The success of the Religious Right in appropriating the language of Christianity has led many people to become generally wary of religion in the public sphere and of Christianity in particular. The Religious Right has used the language of Christianity to promote an extreme and divisive political agenda that has helped polarize our nation. But foundational Christian values like compassion, justice and peace are largely absent from our political discussion. And there are millions of Christian Americans who share progressive views, or, at a minimum, are increasingly turned off by the extreme rhetoric and political agenda of the Religious Right.

The Christian Alliance for Progress is a national movement that started in Jacksonville, Florida among ordinary Americans who want to reclaim Christianity and change this current political picture. Members in the movement want to restore core values of Christianity while honoring diverse views about religion and Christian life. Many Americans, especially people of faith, are ready to hear from Christians who are tolerant, and who understand the many ways that our faiths impact our views of public life. The Christian Alliance advances a renewed, progressive vision of Gospel values and seeks to help Americans express this moral vision in our lives and in our politics

http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.592961/k.ABD2/About_the_Alliance.htm

Mission Statement

The mission of the Christian Alliance for Progress to reclaim Christianity and transform American politics. We advance a renewed, progressive vision of Gospel values and help Americans express this moral vision in how we think, work, and vote.

Purpose

The members of the Christian Alliance for Progress believe we have an obligation to reclaim the vocabulary of Christianity from extremists and to restore the morals and values of Christianity. We bring together progressive Christians and other Americans who share our passion and convictions. We will use the collective power of our individual members to help shape the political realities in our country and to strive to build a more just and compassionate nation.

http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.593897/k.BA27/Mission_Statement.htm

How We Seek to Follow the Jesus of the Gospels - Seven Values We Share:

Compassion and Care for "The Least of These"
We follow Jesus' call to compassion and his command to "love your neighbor as you love yourself."

Responsibility and Obligation
We heed the call to take up our cross - to transform our lives, but also to do more: to move beyond the "personal" and to take responsibility in our communities and country.

Justice for All
We stand against powerful systems of human injustice in our world as Jesus stood against them in his.

Equality and Inclusiveness
Like Jesus did among women, tax collectors, Samaritans and others, we reject hurtful exclusionary distinctions between "us" and "them."

Faithful Stewardship
We follow Jesus' call for responsible stewardship - caring protection for the environment and sharing of our worldly treasure.

Right Use of Power
We turn away from fear; we use the power of God that flows through us to protect the innocent and build justice in the world, not to coerce others to our will or force others to accept our vision.

Spiritual Foundation
We turn to God as our spiritual foundation.

http://www.christianalliance.org/site/pp.aspx?c=bnKIIQNtEoG&b=593859

Reclaim Christianity - Flash movie: http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.689007/k.2601/Flash_Movie.htm

Sign up to join the movement: http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.672245/k.9CA4/Sign_Up_to_Join_the_Movement/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?

Sign the Jacksonville Declaration: http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.683987/k.39F5/Sign_the_Jacksonville_Declaration/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=bnKIIQNtEoG&b=683987&en=ftINIXOMKeKNLbOLLeKULaNPKaKUJfPOIjL3IiP2H

[lala_rawraw]

56. Right... maybe he should start praying to Rev. Moon n/t

[Ezlivin]

58. Religious right should set its sights on helping the poor, the needy,...

the downtrodden.

The religious right should work to stop injustice, promote peace and to ensure that the weakest among us are cared for.

The religious right should work to clothe the naked, feed the hungry and house the homeless.

It's just a pity that they no longer read the Bible.