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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:39 PM
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Bush promotes funding for religious groups
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Bush promotes funding for religious groups

WASHINGTON - President Bush on Tuesday told the Southern Baptist Convention a compassionate society would rely more on religious groups to provide social services and oppose expanded embryonic stem cell research.

Bush renewed his call for Congress to pass a law that would allow religious groups with federal contracts to consider questions of faith when making employment decisions. With such legislation long stalled, the president has bypassed Congress and made more money available to such groups through executive orders and regulations.

"Congress needs to pass charitable choice legislation to forever guarantee equal treatment for our faith-based organizations when they compete for federal funds," Bush told the Baptists meeting in Nashville, Tenn., via satellite.

Quoting the hymn "Great Is Thy Faithfulness," Bush said, "Thy compassions, they fail not."

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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:44 PM
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1. How anyone can fail to see through his B.S. is beyond me....
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:44 PM
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2. Then why hasn't the administration given funding equally to various
religions? Frontline discovered they had only awarded Faith-Based Initiatives to Christian orgnaizations, none to Jewish or Islamic or anything else. And yes, institutions of other religions have applied for FB money.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:45 PM
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3. Dumb bastard has pitched himself into the bosom of the constituency
he KNOWS will welcome him with open arms, even when the rest of the world knows him for what he is.

Let us ALL join in prayer that he won't arrange a catastrophic event and declare emergency measures to install himself as Perpetual President.

http://www.biggreenhits.com.nyud.net:8090/images/bush-halo-LettucePrey.jpg
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:45 PM
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4. Wiccans, Pagans, all non-christians need not apply
that pretty much sums it up.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:27 PM
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19. don't forget Catholics who according to the fundies worship idols
Once they take care of non-Christens they will turn on those not the 'right' kind of Christian. Think Bloody Mary and the Inquisition but with evangelicals wielding the cutlery.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:48 PM
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5. Yeah, and I'm about to stop paying taxes because I'm not donating
money to their religion. I have a story somewhere at home on one so-called church that has received something like $700,000 and done nothing with it except buy a new house and luxury car for the 'preacher' and his relatives, who all happen to be on the board of the so-called charity.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:50 PM
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6. He is saying FK SS, let me go back to the base before i get FLUSHED
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 04:52 PM by jsamuel
swoooooooshhhhhhhhh

:hurts:

Even though it has already failed, along with the hate-gays amendment.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:51 PM
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7. This would be a specific blow against science and against choice
Tell me this isn't real. They're trying to take down everything they can't control.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:05 PM
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8. because compassionate means fucking over the sick
and those who disagree with your religion :sarcasm:
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:09 PM
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9. What?
"Bush renewed his call for Congress to pass a law that would allow religious groups with Federal contracts to consider questions of faith when making employment decisions"???

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? :shrug: I don't like the way that sounds!

Pull their "Federal contracts"!:argh:

Separation of Church and State!


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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:00 PM
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11. I know what that means
"No Jews or Dogs allowed"
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:19 PM
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13. What Does It Mean
State sponsored and funded bigotry and racism, that's what it means.

Bush wants a law passed that will protect the fundies from federal
prosecution, for using tax payer money to practice their own religious form of bigotry, that's all!!!!!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:05 PM
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18. Religion IS bigotry; those who disagree are dirt
Sanctioning close-minded certainty is the height of ugliness.

Religion demands special status, hence it is anti-pluralist. This is why Article One exists: so nobody's word means more than anyone else's. Religions demand to be considered aristocracies, and this is why they are the enemy of decent societies.

Monies are denied ALL social services that aren't religious in nature, and only fantasy beliefs that toe the line are allowed; those are lavished with money from our tax dollars. Fucked up individuals who were tormented by fundamentalist viciousness as kids will now have a choice: the snowbank or submitting to daddy.

The sheer perversion of the Constitution is one of the greatest dangers we face.

No politicians will stand up to this. When Newdow won the first ruling against the vulgar and divisive Pledge of Allegiance, the Senators made a non-binding vote of 99-0 to oppose his evil atheism.

With somewhere around 15% of our populace not believing in god or affiliating themselves with some guess, there is not ONE Congressperson who doesn't profess belief. Out of 435, there should be EIGHTY. There isn't one. Truly, non-believers are the most reviled group of any size in the country. Gays aren't as hated or reviled. You'd have to talk about groups like NAMBLA to find another group that's more hated.

Will this stop? No. Now, the war between the left and right will be won by who can mobilize the godly to a better degree. The net result will be to reprove that only the believers deserve to have a voice. Those who don't believe are filth, and the abject cowardice of the left will reinforce the adamant bigotry of the right to drive this point home.

Hopefully, the religious left will prevail, but should they do so, I have serious doubts that they will allow the unaffiliated into any position of power.

Life is more and more complex and uncertain, that's why religion (the hatred of uncertainty) will only get stronger in the near future.

Please be gentle, liberal christians; in your hands rest the future of the human race.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:10 PM
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10. that is SO unconstitutional
:grr:
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:12 PM
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12. I wish to hell
that I were wealthy enough to fund a very good proposal from a Wiccan or Pagan group wanting to do social service. If we were then denied, accusing the Bush regime of religious discrimination. Of promoting only christian 'faith-based' programs. Go to court...all the way to the supreme court and find out if they are only christian OR if they are American. IF they happened to approve a pagan 'faith-based' program. Well, then I'd finance a whole slew of em.

god, i wish i were wealthy. What a good fight that would be.
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:26 PM
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14. If you beLIEved in God you would be rich
Didn't you know that if you beLIEve, god will make your cup runeth over!:sarcasm:
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:35 PM
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15. Pat Robertson received a faith based charity grant from Bush
of 500,000 dollars guaranteed for three years. Do the math. We have given our hard earned money to Pat Robertson, simply on the whims of George Bush who is granting this money arbitrarily on his own.

What has Robertson done with that million and a half? No one knows. Accountability is out of the question, apparently.

I still have yet to find a list of all those churches who have been the beneficiaries of our money since Bush took office. I would love to see one and I would love to see exactlyu what they spent that money on. It is in the millions and millions.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:47 PM
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17. He gave that asshole a half mil?
So that's where Robertson get all of his money from.

This is absolutely mind boggling.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:45 PM
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16. I would like to see an accounting of how much
faith based GOVERNMENT money has gone to NON CHRHISTIAN organizations.
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