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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:07 AM
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Literally tons of money sent to Baghdad
http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5469436.html

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- It weighed 28 tons and took up as much room as 74 washing machines. It was $2.4 billion in $100 bills, and Baghdad needed it as soon as possible.

The initial request from U.S. officials in charge of Iraq required the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to decide whether it could open its vault on a Sunday.

Then, when the shipment date changed, officials had to scramble to line up U.S. Air Force C-130 cargo planes to hold the money. They did, and the $2,401,600,000 was safely delivered to Baghdad on June 22, 2004. It was the largest one-time cash transfer in the history of the New York Fed.

~snip~

Both Republicans and Democrats appeared taken aback by the sheer volume of cash sent to Iraq: nearly $12 billion over the course of the U.S. occupation from March 2003 until June 2004, according to a report by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., who had reviewed e-mails and documents subpoenaed from the bank.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:09 AM
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1. How many trees are involved in the making of that much money
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:35 AM
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16. none
currency is made with cotton fibers.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:58 PM
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51. Cotton grows on trees too!!!
:-)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:29 PM
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59. ok, very short trees
LOL
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:10 AM
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2. And would someone be so kind
to tell us where our money went ????

George? Dick?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:45 PM
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58. blackwater usa
and the other mercs
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:14 AM
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3. Jesus
All cash, and no records man, knock knock anyone home in the Senate hello hello you guys still asleep. $12 million hard cool cash all people moneys the people you suppose to represent. And it is now June 2005.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:17 AM
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5. 12 billion you mean.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:07 AM
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25. Yike not my fault
Bad l caught Chimp diesea Misplaced a few zeros Oh well who would notice. Go back to sleep please.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:17 AM
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6. I would say to check Paul Bremer's pockets..
but he got a medal of freedom instead of being indicted...

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:23 AM
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12. Why is Bremmer wearing army boots with his fancy suit?
It's not like he's risking his life anymore hanging around the Green Zone.

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:45 AM
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17. He went mad over there
He thinks the boots are 'magic' and protect him from the giant hedgehogs that want to kill him.

Quite a sad case, really.


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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:43 PM
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57. Flashback to Spiny Norman (Monty Python)
Interviewer:Was there anything unusual about him?

Gloria: him. I should say not. Except, that Dinsdale was convinced that he was being watched by a giant hedgehog whom he referred to as 'Spiny Norman'.

Interviewer: How big was Norman supposed to be?

Gloria:Normally Spiny Norman was wont to be about twelve feet from snout to tail, but when Dinsdale was depressed Norman could be anything up to eight hundred yards long. When Norman was about Dinsdale would go very quiet and start wobbling and his nose would swell up and his teeth would move about and he'd get very violent and claim that he'd laid Stanley Baldwin."

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:46 AM
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61. Bremer!


Bremer....

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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:49 AM
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19. those aren't boots... that is a really bad case of
toenail fungus?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 10:47 AM
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44. Nice boots--- motherfucker
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:10 AM
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46. lol!
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 11:11 AM by leftchick
I knew this was you when I read just the headline in my posts!

hiya saigon

:)
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:25 AM
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60. Hiya LC
:)
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:16 AM
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4. And for what purpose are we sending our cash reserves to
Baghdad?

Sounds like an offshore money laundering scheme of immense proportions.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:19 AM
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9. It is Iraq's cash, not ours.
Or at least it was before we handed it out to contractors.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:26 AM
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15. Yes, let's make this clear. It was Iraq's money.
The cash -- generated mostly from oil revenues -- represented Iraqi funds that had been held in trust by the Federal Reserve under the terms of a U.N. resolution.

"held in trust" - how ironic!
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:50 AM
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20. That would be the same money held in trust that was supposed to have
been paid to US soldiers held as POW's during the first gulf war who filed and won a lawsuit against the Hussein regime right? The same funds that the Bush administration refused to pay out from said trust?
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:23 AM
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30. I think it was considerably more than that.
$8.1 billion in the oil-for-food account
$2.5 billion in Saddam's frozen assets
$1.3 billion in cash Saddam left in Iraq.

Total 11.9 billion held in trust in the Fed Res Bank in NY.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:35 AM
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32. Yes, it was more, but there are millions of that money which has vanished
that were awarded by a court to US soldiers held as POW's during Gulf War 1. Our "President" in his unending "support" of our troops refused to allow the funds to be paid and instead allowed the money to be spirited out of the country.

The point being that once again, there is proof of a willful screwing over of the troops this administration claims to support.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:27 AM
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39. That reminds me of this article by Naomi Klein. US corps are getting paid
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 08:27 AM by oblivious
Why is war-torn Iraq giving $190,000 to Toys R Us?

Saturday October 16, 2004

...Here is a small sample of who has been getting "reparation" awards from Iraq: Halliburton ($18m), Bechtel ($7m), Mobil ($2.3m), Shell ($1.6m), Nestlé ($2.6m), Pepsi ($3.8m), Philip Morris ($1.3m), Sheraton ($11m), Kentucky Fried Chicken ($321,000) and Toys R Us ($189,449). In the vast majority of cases, these corporations did not claim that Saddam's forces damaged their property in Kuwait - only that they "lost profits" or, in the case of American Express, experienced a "decline in business" because of the invasion and occupation of Kuwait. One of the biggest winners has been Texaco, which was awarded $505m in 1999. According to a UNCC spokesperson, only 12% of that reparation award has been paid, which means hundreds of millions more will have to come out of the coffers of post-Saddam Iraq.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1328887,00.html
Edit: spelling
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:58 AM
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22. The Cayman Islands were going to sink otherwise
They have to have some where to stash all that loot for the end times.

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:19 AM
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7. I sincerely
hope US is just printing money and sending it to Iraq. Cause this going to blow back in face of US so bad. You country reputation is at rock bottom. If you currency reputation goes downhill US be so very very screwed.
Man am I witnessing the biggest train wreck in man history happening?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:59 AM
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23. Yes.
n/t
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:41 AM
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33. Yes, in fact, you are
When China calls in its chits, we are done, finished, over.

It appears that the only thing that keeps China from doing that is the worldwide repercussions, including to China itself.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:19 AM
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8. Borrowed from China... eom
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:23 AM
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10. Welcome to the wonderful world of privitization
Where all that's required to explain where $8.8 BILLION went is this:

"There were observable results of what that money was spent on," said Joseph Benkert, deputy director for the Pentagon's Iraq reconstruction office. "Salaries for hundreds of thousands of government employees were paid. ...Government ministries operated. We know that they operated. Various projects were done on behalf of those ministers, and we know what those projects are."

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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:24 AM
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13. Well US officials are always so honest, im sure we can trust them.
I mean who would ask God's chosen army to account for money.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:28 AM
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31. Rummy, is that you? "...and we know what those projects are"...
Isn't that pretty much what we were told about those mythological WMDs? They're east, and north, and south of somewhere.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:42 AM
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34. Salaries paid with cash?
I call bullshit, Joseph Benkert.
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JawJaw Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:23 AM
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11. I hope
they got a receipt..
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:25 AM
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14. I would assume they asked for the money
to be in all unmarked bills?

Sounds like extortion to me.

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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:46 AM
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18. You mean
our taxes. I'll bet anything the pile is bigger than that.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:55 AM
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21. It is 2005 and they don't have electronic transfer?
Oh I am so sorry.... this looks like some huge payout....

Hell...if I went to the bank today they would prefer giving me a check for all my assets than giving me a huge wad of cash...


This just looks so evil, so wrong...
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. Ah, that's because you are a person
not an entity or a country.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:08 AM
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26. I thought those Swiss bank accounts and stuff were to transfer money
...why not transfer the funds to some intermediate ???

Still seems just so weird..
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:50 AM
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48. self deleted
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 11:52 AM by jokerman93
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:53 AM
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49. A small correction
"You" may have once been, but are no longer considered a person. Corporations are persons. You are a "consumer". A consumer is a human resource - a passive receptacle for corporate products and agendas, and the primary source of return on invested wealth by the owners of our new society - the senior corporate officers and stockholders.

So...what are your questions at this point?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:17 AM
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29. And it seems like it was urgent
as they tried to get it done on a Sunday. Must be nice to be able to have that conversation, can you imagine...

"I want two billion dollars, in cash, NOW!"
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:58 AM
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41. Well, the electronic transfer machine was made by Deibold and it
would have just transferred the money to Bush, it would've been too obvious :).

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tea4me Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:13 AM
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27. All the perfume in France,
and cargo planes carrying cash....can not wash the blood from George Bush's hands.:+
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:15 AM
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28. I have to wonder if some of that cash is what is funding
the insurgency.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:43 AM
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35. Oh, now that's a subversive thought
and very likely true. Interesting.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:00 AM
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36. I'm not saying any of our people knowingly gave them money,
but with so much cash being handed out freely without any oversight, some of it was bound to end up in the wrong hands.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:05 AM
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37. But, you opened a line of thought in my mind of a much darker ilk.
Use the War on Drugs as a template. We play (and pay) both sides to keep that war going, why wouldn't we do the exact same thing over there?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:30 AM
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40. bank on it...
so to speak. The spooks in Iraq are no different than the ones in Vietnam and they still require C A S H.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:10 PM
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50. Good one.If there's no fighting,we'd have to withdraw, & leave the oil
where it could accidently benefit the people of Iraq! Wouldn't that be so sad for the Bush base, the "haves and the haves more?"
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:11 AM
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38. Dollars?
Didn't we go to a tremendous amount of trouble to replace all the Iraqi currency Ñ just to get rid of the pic of Saddam?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 09:20 AM
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42. Note from Baghdad: need money, low on beer.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 10:42 AM
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43.  U.S. was big spender in days before Iraq handover
Gives new meaning to the term "bag man." This has to be the biggest bag operation ever.

The United States handed out nearly $20 billion of Iraq's funds, with a rush to spend billions in the final days before transferring power to the Iraqis nearly a year ago, a report said on Tuesday.

A report by Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record) of California, said in the week before the hand-over on June 28, 2004, the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority ordered the urgent delivery of more than $4 billion in Iraqi funds from the U.S. Federal Reserve in New York.

One single shipment amounted to $2.4 billion -- the largest movement of cash in the bank's history, said Waxman.

---

Cash was loaded onto giant pallets for shipment by plane to Iraq, and paid out to contractors who carried it away in duffel bags.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050621/ts_nm/iraq_cash_dc_1&printer=1%3B_ylt=ArKsaf8mNdfILXeuYLslaMxg.3QA%3B_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 10:48 AM
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45. "Send lawyers, guns & money," or...2 out of 3 ain't bad?
:wtf:
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:25 AM
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47. FEDERAL RESERVE BANK->BAGHDAD-> CAYMAN ISLANDS
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:36 PM
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53. No doubt about it
In fact, it's probably a big part of what the war's about.

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:01 PM
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52. One of those dollars is mine, and I want it back
Serial Number E84510210B

I'm waiting.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:04 PM
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54. cash to Iraq
And they are closing schools here in Portland Oregon...............
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:17 PM
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55. Too bad it wasn't euros
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 06:24 PM by Barkley
The cash -- generated mostly from oil revenues -- represented Iraqi funds that had been held in trust by the Federal Reserve under the terms of a U.N. resolution.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:38 PM
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56. Imagine how much of that went missing to Chalabi et al
"It's only a few kilograms of 20's, nobody ever weighs it that carefully anyway."

Not just Chalabi and friends, plenty for the Bushco too.
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sintax Donating Member (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:24 PM
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62. kick n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:32 PM
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63. How Sopranos!
Liberating a country is an all-cash business? And funny the article should mention washing machines--it sounds like there was some sho' nuff money-"laundering" going on!

:headbang:
rocknation
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