Men Accused Of Beating Lesbian Teens With Sledgehammer

[Roland99]

http://www.nbc5.com/news/4650299/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=2265994&dppid=65193

CHICAGO -- A Winnetka man is one of two suspects accused of beating two lesbians with a sledgehammer.

Police said Patrick Langballe, 29, of Winnetka, and Aaron Rush, 20, of Green Bay, Wis., met two 17-year-old girls through mutual friends while camping at Illinois State Beach Park.

When the girls revealed their sexual orientation, police said the men attacked them with the sledgehammer.

The suspects were being held on a $1 million bond.

:mad:

[neuvocat]

1. Execute him.

[Roland99]

3. Beat both of them with the same sledgehammer.

[truthpusher]

35. It sounds like they weren't hurt to bad...

...(at least on the outside)...here is a link to another article: http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/nation/11980241.htm

excerpt: "One girl had minor injuries to her face, arms and legs, officials said."

[tk2kewl]

2. Are the women going to be OK?

[Roland99]

4. Dunno...but who goes camping with a sledgehammer?

[pie]

9. People like that don't go anywhere without a sledgehammer

[Turbineguy]

27. Yeah, like you never

know when you'll come up on a boiler that needs fixin'

[rpannier]

39. Interesting Question

I'm not trying to diminish what happened to these girls in anyway. But, your question is a good one.

[KakistocracyHater]

51. to drive in the tent stakes

but why aren't they considered terrorists? These white supremists ought to be on that list; those girls probably said they were lesbians because, well those 2 are grossly disgusting

[Occulus]

78. You'd use one to pound tentpegs into the ground. n/t

[gorbal]

11. Here is a more lengthy article

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/nation/11980241.htm

They are Nazi's

[tk2kewl]

13. You should apologize for calling them Nazis!

:sarcasm:

Why in the world did the girls go back? Thank god they'll be OK.

They should lock these guys up with the biggest and baddest black, Jewish and gay inmates they can find.

[rodeodance]

23. The men had several items of Nazi and white supremacy paraphernalia.

We breed a lot of hate in this country.


......Langballe and Rush took some of the girls' clothes from their car and burned them, authorities said. The girls got scared and left, but returned five minutes later when they realized they had some items that belonged to the men, authorities said.

Langballe and Rush beat the girls and threatened them with a sledgehammer and a knife as they stole money, credit cards, a camera and cell phones, Chancey said. Rush pulled out the knife and threatened to kill one of the girls, authorities said.

One girl had minor injuries to her face, arms and legs, officials said.

The men had several items of Nazi and white supremacy paraphernalia when they were arrested, authorities said.

[Occulus]

80. So for a good deed,

they get attacked because of their sexual orientation.

Gee... I wonder where the primary source of hatred for gays comes from.

Hmmm. I wonder where they learned it. I wonder. I really do. :sarcasm:

[Up2Late]

31. I hate to pre-judge, but it appears these fellas "Ain't so bright."

It say, "...as they stole money, credit cards, a camera and cell phones..." Cell phones are alway a good way to track or identify a stupid criminal.

[David Zephyr]

5. I Blame James Dobson for these murders.

:argh:

[Eric J in MN]

41. No one was murdered. One girl had minor injuries .

nt

[Occulus]

81. Oh, well, I guess that makes it okay, then.

Sorry 'bout my outrage. SEMI :sarcasm:

[KittyWampus]

6. Since Jr. Decided To Use Gay Marriage As A Wedge, Violent Attacks

on gays has risen by 25%. At least that's what the report on PBS said last night.

[Eloriel]

12. That's shocking.

I'm not shocked that the violence has risen, but 25% is a whale of a lot.

Oh, the karma these people are racking up.

Do you happen to have a link for that? I'd sure appreciate it.

[newswolf56]

33. I said at the time this is exactly what would happen. And...

...I believe BushCo was fully aware of the violence the agitation would trigger.

[QC]

50. You're exactly right. Chimpy has blood on his paws.

But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for his sycophants in the corporate media to say a word about the way gaybashings rise whenever the GOP decides to make us its latest secret weapon.

[IndianaGreen]

56. This does not excuse the role the Christian faith has played...

in persecuting people for being gay, witches, warlocks, heretics, atheist, etc. Two thousand years of a theology of hatred and intolerance has had its effect!

[QC]

63. Who said it did?

Speaking of an absolute, total non sequitur....

Well, actually, we weren't speaking of non sequiturs, but we can always count on you to introduce one.

[IndianaGreen]

65. When the Church and the State become one, as they are in Bush's America

The crimes of one become the crimes of the other.

[QC]

70. Of which "Church" are you speaking?

I'm Episcopalian and we're about to be kicked out of the Anglican Communion by fascists in Africa for insisting that we homos are actually human beings.

I can assure you that my church is not united with Bush.

Gee, could it be that you are once again painting with your trusty 48" Super-Duper-Broad Brush?

[Occulus]

87. Does your Bible exclude the justifications for hate toward gays? n/t

[IndianaGreen]

90. The Church that puts Paul of Tarsus on a par with Jesus!

This is something that enlightened Christians have to come to grips with. The misogyny and homophobia in the New Testament all comes from the writings of Paul, not from Jesus. In addition to that, Paul was never a disciple of Jesus and never met the man!

Fundies use the writings of Paul to justify keeping women from positions of authority and teaching in the church. They also use the writings of Paul to justify their teaching that women are under men's authority and that gays are just bad people.

Jesus always treated women as equals and he never uttered a word about gays. Considering that Christians believe Jesus to be G-d in the flesh, I find amazing that many of them disregard Jesus's obvious contempt for the rich and powerful, and for the fundies of his day, preferring Paul's appeals to their baser instincts.

WWJD? He wouldn't be persecuting gays, or telling women to submit to an abusive husband, or saying that capitalism is good, and that invading Iraq is a virtue.

[Occulus]

84. Yes, but we all still know where the hatred comes from specifically.

It's even used by people who don't actually practice the religion- my own mom, for example. She whipped out that religion's holy book and verbally beat me with it once, despite having never entered a church in my lifetime but for weddings and funerals.

I'll leave it to you to guess which book and which religion. I bet you get it right, very first thing.

[fujiyama]

89. That's very disturbing

Makes me sick to my stomach that this government is actually encouraging hatred.

[leftchick]

7. omg! look at these bizarro fucks......

skinhead freaks here?? :puke:

[smirkymonkey]

16. Why am I never surprised when I see what these assholes

actually look like?

That's sickening.

[Gays_R_Family]

29. who cares what they look like ...

it's what they did!!!

Just for your information, I'm a gay guy who shaves his head and I look quite a lot like that Aaron Rush fellow.

The difference is I wouldn't hurt a fly.

Methinks thou dost project too much.

It is their actions that are sickening!

[smirkymonkey]

34. I know their actions are sickening - and they look EVIL

It has nothing to do with shaved heads. It's the satanic look in their eyes.

[Gays_R_Family]

40. hmmm ...

I don't see it ...

The Rush guy looks kinda stoned maybe.

[Robeson]

30. Yes, it looks as though the Arian nation lives.

[BiggJawn]

59. That explains the sledgehammer, then...

"Hammerskins"...A particularly violent form of the sub-species...

[anotherdrew]

75. I'm seeing a lot who look just like these two lately

these two seem a bit better fed than most I've been seeing

[punpirate]

8. Of course, there's absolutely...

... no need for hate crime legislation, according to the rigid right wing of this country.... :grr:

[ZR2]

14. Would hate crime legislation have prevented this ?

I think not.

[DS9Voy]

15. No shit

Would making murder illegal prevent murders? So perhaps we shouldn't make any laws against it.

Was wondering how long it would be before an anti-hate crime apologist stepped in.

Hate crime legislation would not prevent this but it would keep these freaks out of society longer preventing the same thing in the future.

[punpirate]

19. Maybe not this...

... but it would slow down anyone else thinking of doing it if it meant ten or twenty years instead of sixty days in county jail for simple assault and battery....

[marbuc]

49. Maybe not

But I'd be happy knowing that scumbags like these would be locked up for a long time.

[QC]

52. No, but it would keep human garbage like this locked up a lot longer.

That's good enough for me.

[bluedeminredstate]

10. They must be gay!

Straight men would be into the lesbian scene.
:sarcasm:

[Gman]

17. No doubt they're fundies and

voted for Bush last November.

[dave502d]

18. What can you say,sick SOB,give them life in prison.n/t

[DS9Voy]

24. Unfortunately

because there is no hate crimes legislation for GLBT people they will be out on the street again relatively soon.

[Eric J in MN]

43. they were charged with a hate crime

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/nation/11980241.htm

[DS9Voy]

60. Then they are in a state that has hate crimes legislation

most states do NOT have hate crimes legislation that includes GLBT people.

Fortunately they will be put away for a long time. In a state like texas they'd be back on the street in a week.

[kodi]

20. nutcases like those are why i carry a pistol

and were i those young girls' dad, those boys would be already dead.

[DS9Voy]

25. Oh that's a great solution

so then your kids could watch you fry? I wonder how much damage THAT would do to them.

The correct solution is to pass hate crimes legislation to put them away for 20.

[kodi]

26. your solution is punishment, not prevention.

twice in 7 years having a handgun kept me and friends from being beaten by a group of racist rednecks.

you bet someone threatens me and mine with physical harm i will shoot them right in the face.

your solution is exactly the problem with democrats and liberals. you think that that the opposition is like you, reasonable. they aren't, as thr original post showed. they are animalistic predators.

[DS9Voy]

28. Hmm...

"you bet someone threatens me and mine with physical harm i will shoot them right in the face"

"twice in 7 years having a handgun kept me and friends from being beaten by a group of racist rednecks"

So did you shoot them in the face? If so, I assume you are writing this from death row?

"your solution is exactly the problem with democrats and liberals. you think that that the opposition is like you, reasonable"

Wrong. It's just that democrats and liberals don't like lowering ourselves to the level of right wing nut jobs.

[shadowknows69]

32. It doesn't make you a right wing nut job

for wanting to protect yourself from them. Bravo and keep packin kodi.

[DS9Voy]

46. There is a difference between protection

and pre-meditated murder which is what the poster suggested.

[jukes]

55. Kodi DID NOT suggest pre-meditated murder

you've read into his post what you WANTED to read>


QUOTE: "nutcases like those are why i carry a pistol


and were i those young girls' dad, those boys would be already dead."



all that is expressed in this statement that had Kodi witnessed these girls being attacked by a knife and a sledge-hammer, he wd have fired upon the perpetrators, presumably w/ deadly accuracy, and the women wd have remained unharmed.

you WANT to believe he said he'd hunt them down after the fact, but he CLEARLY didn't.

my guess is that had these been Kodi's girls, the perps wd me leaking on a coroner's table even had he NOT been around, because the g9irls wd have been armed & trained to defend themselves.

[DS9Voy]

57. Oh let's see

Maybe you should bother to read his first post?

"and were i those young girls' dad, those boys would be already dead."

Sure sounds like it would be premedidated to me.

[jukes]

61. i READ the post

i REPEAT, it only stated that had he been their dad, the armed attackers wd be dead. i assume he meant had he been there; you'd like to presume he meant he'd hunt them down and kill them AFTER THE FACT.

please ; YOU read the statements AS THEY ARE POSTED AND W/O ADDING YOUR BIASED INTERPRETATIONS before you patronize. i've prosecuted a bunch of homicides in my 20 year career as a cop; and can read a statement as it is written, not as i'd like to enterpret it.

[DS9Voy]

62. The dad of those teens was not present

and he stated had he been the dad they would be dead. Therefore logically he would have to hunt them down - because that is exactly what the teens dad would HAVE TO DO in order to kill them considering he was not present at the attack.

It's not "interpretation" it's called logic. The only LOGICAL way he could fulfill his claim "if he was the dad" would be to hunt them down after the fact.

[jukes]

67. you're trying to hard

his statement was "hypothetical"; hence, it's reasonable to assume that he meant that if he were hypothetically there.

to follow YOU're convoluted interpretation, he'd have to storm the police station where they are being held to kill them; not a very likely scenario outside of grade B action movies.

i repeat; your'e "interpretation "is indefensible and is playing out a private phantasy.

[DS9Voy]

68. Do you understand how to think logically?

"he'd have to storm the police station where they are being held to kill them"

Uh OR he could just wait until they are released and go visit them at home. No no - the only POSSIBLE way he could get them would be to storm the police station while they were being held. Yea, that must be the only possible way to do it.

[jukes]

69. "already dead"

doesn't suggest, logically, that his statement meant to wait for them to be released, track them to their homes, and commit murder.

since i've adjudicated over a thousand felony violations over 20 years w/ a 90% conviction rate, i think i can claim to think logically.

you seem to have little understanding of timelines, interpretation of "actual" statements, or how to conduct a civil discussion w/o sophomoric sarcasm.

please limit your coments to attacking the message rather than the messenger. read the rules before you post.

[DS9Voy]

71. Perhaps

He should still have had the common sense to make him self absolutely clear (with a disclaimer) when he wants to claim people would "already be dead".

In some states like texas these perps would be out on the street in 48 hours due to no hate crimes legislation protecting GLBT people. (they would likely only be charged with assault/battery) Therefore in many states it would be VERY easy for them to be "already dead" 48 hours later on release. He would not have to wait long for them to be released at all.

[jukes]

73. if we ensure that every post

is so sematically correct that absolutely no-one w/ a personal axe to grind can deliberately misinterprete it, we'd never finish a single post.

odd that no-one but you seems to misread kodi's post.

ck the article again; 48 hours has NOT elapsed. and in some jurisdictions, such as GA, 72 hrs is the rule.

note also that a $1,000,000 dollar bond is required for their release.

are you capable of computing the logic therein?

[Occulus]

85. A logical leap worthy of Millennium Force or the Top Thrill Dragster n/t

[kodi]

47. your "reasoning" is why liberals and democrats lose so many elections

your knee-jerk reaction showed what so many so-called liberals do at the merest hint of violence. instead of protecting oneself and their family from people who want to harm you, you run away sucking your teeth and beat your chests that you are morally superior.

if you would have taken the time to read the post i wrote without your emotional blinders on you might have understood that my initial remark was not about revenge, but protecting those young girls FROM the attack.

and no i did not shoot the any of the 5 guys who accosted me and my three female friends. i pulled out my weapon and pointed it at them as my friends quickly got in the car.

but i can assure you that had those 5 men attacked me and my three women friends, i would have protected us with force.

i asuume that you would have used peace, understanding, and the sign of the cross on 5 drunken assholes who were threatening to rape and kill you for being lesbians and queers.

[rayofreason]

54. Good for you!!!!

Kind fuzzy thoughts are one thing, brutal reality is another. Using force is no fun, but being a punching bag is worse.

[Name removed]

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[jukes]

64. DS9Voy

refer to the rules regarding personal attacks, please.

AGAIN, and please pay attention this time, NO ONE HAS ADVOCATED A PRE-EMPTIVE ATTACK OR stated they wd kill these armed assailants after the fact.

the poster your're attcking may well support hate-crime legislatioon (as i do) as well as self-defense. you made an assumption that he doesn't, which wd seem to be somewhat narrow-minded and prejudicial..

[DS9Voy]

66. See my post regarding the logic of the claim

He essentially keeps saying "liberals and democrats" keep losing elections because we won't defend ourselves which is bull shit. I don't see why you want to defend him while he makes such claims. That's part of the problem right there.

I did not personally attack him - I stated that his argument is bogus.

Also - most SANE peoples reaction to problems is not an immediate "shoot them in the face". I'm almost tempted to forward his post to the FBI.

In almost ALL states you can NOT elevate the level of violence in order to protect your self. In other words if a drunk is in a fist fight with you you can't pull out a gun and shoot them in the face. Yet his response to some drunks was to pull a gun. It sounds like his response to ANY threat would be to pull a gun.

If that's not what he means then he should have made him self more clear as any rational person should know to make DAMN SURE to do so when they claim they would "shoot someone in the face".

[kodi]

76. sounds like you need to go back to the united federation of planets

because according to this star date, its a hobbseian world down here on earth.

if you want to call the fbi go right ahead, i have a concealed weapons permit, my mom was both a cop and criminal investigator for DoD, and step dad was an ATF and SS agent, who btw, guarded vice president walter mondale.

your idea of security is using the law, which is just fine and dandy, except when you are in a small bar in the mountains of north carolina and 5 guys start talking shit about how they are going to kick your long-haired hippie ass and suggest raping your female friends and jostle you on the way out then follow you out of the bar to the parking lot still talking shit and won't let you get to your car, then the law don't much count because there is no law to protect you. you have to protect yourself.

you must be some sort of middle class bourgeoisie type to think that you can defend yourself with words alone in such a situation.

and just to function on your plane for a moment, the GOP are the Borg. they are relentless, show no mercy and will assimilate everything they possibly can. there is no compromise with them, and those like you who want to see the goodness in others get the rest of us in trouble when you think that the right wing is going to be talked out of their ideas and actions because your inner goodness will show them the light.

and as to your remark:

"He essentially keeps saying "liberals and democrats" keep losing elections because we won't defend ourselves which is bull shit. I don't see why you want to defend him while he makes such claims. That's part of the problem right there."

perhaps had John kerry defended himself when attacked by the swift boat liars instead of doing what you profess, viz., tuck tail and run away from confrontation, he might be president today.

[DS9Voy]

82. Hmm...

"and 5 guys start talking shit about how they are going to kick your long-haired hippie ass "

So just out of the blue 5 guys start talking shit? No - I'm not middle or upper class. Which is why I can call BS on this one. Somehow I have a feeling something is being left out of the story. You sound so fast to reach for a gun (or at least you do here... don't know if you're just trying to sound like a big man or not) that I have to wonder if you demonstrated any hostility toward them.

"then follow you out of the bar to the parking lot still talking shit "

There is this "talking shit again". There is a difference between TALKING and ACTIONS. They were "talking" shit. YOU let the situation escalate by taking the ACTION of pulling a gun. I have to wonder - was there any "shit talking" by you prior to this point? Or were you mute the entire time? Sounds like someone like you who is so willing to "defend him self" wouldn't just sit by while someone was "shit talking".

I also have to wonder about walking out in to the parking lot when you are outnumbered severely and being followed. Sounds like the sensible thing to do would have been to call the police while IN the bar instead of going out in to the parking lot. Of course that's assuming you thought it was wise to walk in to the parking lot while being followed by 5 thugs which would put your self and the very friends you wanted to protect in danger. (which sounds a little hard to believe to begin with) Surely nothing would happen by deciding to walk in to the parking lot with them, right? If not concerned for your self, did you at least care that by doing so you were putting your friends in danger? You were so concerned about the safety of your friends, yet you do the very thing that increases the risk to them. Doesn't sound very logical in this story.

"perhaps had John kerry defended himself when attacked by the swift boat liars instead of doing what you profess, viz., tuck tail and run away from confrontation, he might be president today."

More rovian spin. Turn off the FOX news. The election was stolen and there is a mountain of evidence to prove it. Kerry defended him self just fine by the simple fact he was a wounded veteran. Nothing needs to be said beyond that. Any fool who knew that would immediately dismiss whatever the "swift boat" vets had to say.

[jukes]

86. "you're so full of it"

sorry, son, but that IS a personal attack. if i were to tell you that you are a pacifist wimp unable to defend yourself any better in a physical confrontation than you are here in this forum, THAT wd be a personal attack; i'd certainly never stoop so low as to braek the forum rules in this manner.

you may fwd his post to the FBI if you wish. they have MANY round receptacles for such "tips". they certainly wd NOT credit it as valid information; and your supposition that they wd displays your naivete and misunderstanding of the matter under discussion.

also, in MOST states, you most certainly can draw and lethally fire a weapon if being beaten under certain restrictions. All most states require is that you prove a REASONABLE fear that your life is in jeapardy.

once more, you are the only person in this thread that is over-reacting to his statement. the rest of us are perfectly clear on his intent. if there has been misunderstanding, it wd appear that the sole objector here, who insists on flogging this dead horse, is the one in confusion.

[jukes]

53. DS9Voy

in most jurisdictions, especially those where concealed-carry is allowed, proving that one is in mortal fear or in fear for lives under their protection, ot EVEN innocent lives not attached to the person in question IS LEGAL GROUNDS for justifiable homicide.

you may not like it, but not all liberals are pacifists. i'm a liberal; i support g/l rights, gay marriage, female equality, right of choice, freedom from religion, and fair elections.

i'm also a combat veteran, a retired federal agent and i carry a 9 millie (spec. a springfield arms XD#) EVERYWHERE i go, here in the confederate states of america.

i WON'T be harvesting peanuts for eleven cents an hour in GAs lovely penal system if i turn some hillbilly's face into strawberry jam, because i will be able to articulate the danger and my personal fear on the witness stand and will be exonerated of wrong-doing.

then i'll go home, get 8 hrs. peaceful sleep and wake up realizing that they're hosing down a stainlesssteel table at the county morgue.

I SUPPORT hate crime legislation. I also realize that it takes the average 9-1-1 call ten minutes on average to get a response in this country, and a bad guy can do a LOT of sledge-hammering in 10 minutes. counting on the police to protect you in this country is puerule & naive. they're garbage-collectors'; cleaning up the horrific remains of crime.

if you're not prepared to protect yourself, you're a victim. and you might get to watch what's happening to your family before they turn to you.

[Occulus]

83. These guys would deserve a bullet in the foot or leg.

Were I to be in a similar situation and I had a gun in my posession, you bet I would pull it. Pointing it at a person denotes an intent to shoot at that person, so I wouldn't actually raise the weapon unless I felt threatened. If the threat is real and imminent, fire. The level of threat dictates the targeted body part; a man raising his fist does not justify a head or chest shot. Or, if one is competent in self defense, any shot.

That much is simple, the 'when' of using a firearm to defend oneself.

[dejaboutique]

21. damn, i thought straight men LOVE lesbians

wierd

[leesa]

38. My guess is they came on to the girls and then were massively

embarrassed to learn they were gay. Being extremely immature, and hate-filled criminals, they went nuts.

[marbuc]

48. I would be relieved to find out a woman that rejected my

overtures did so because she was gay. This is much better than a rejection of me personally.

[mom cat]

22. Bet they justify it with xianity.

[geek tragedy]

36. I have two words for these manly men: General Population.

I'm sure they'll last a looonnnggg time with the cast of Oz.

[struggle4progress]

37. " .. A man with ties to white supremacist Matt Hale has been charged ..

.. with attacking two teenagers after they told him they were lesbians, prosecutors said Friday ... Patrick Langballe, 29, of Winnetka, Ill., was charged along with Aaron Rush, 20, of Green Bay, Wis., with a hate crime, armed robbery, aggravated battery and unlawful use of a weapon in the June 16 attack against the teens, ages 17 and 18, at Illinois Beach State Park near Zion ... About 3 p.m., Rush made a sexual advance toward one of the girls, who told him she was in a lesbian relationship with the other girl and they "did not like men in a romantic way," according to a news release from the sheriff ... The men had several items of Nazi and white supremacy paraphernalia when they were arrested, authorities said ...
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/nation/11980241.htm

[AngryAmish]

42. Winnetka is a very affluent area

Why become a skinhead if you have every advantage in life?

[Endangered Specie]

44. Keel haul them

:mad:

[Raiden]

45. That's disgusting!!

I think a little symbolic retribution is in order here!

[anotherdrew]

72. make examples of these two, and any who express sympathy go as well

this madness must be cut out like a cancer

[anotherdrew]

74. these monsters at least have forfeited their genitalia

[anotherdrew]

77. putting these people in jail is NOT enough, they just get stonger there

[darkism]

79. How humiliating.

On behalf of my fellow Illinoisians, I hang my head in shame.

[Skypilot 18]

88. Let me get this right.

This guy killed Cheney's daughter (?)

I have nothing against lesbians or gays, but I'll make an exception for the Dick's daughter. (I'm so evil.) But nothing compared with the magnitude of evil Cheney has unleashed on the world. I don't even think his mother loved him. And to think a coat hanger would have solved a world crisis if we had only known about the evil that biological masses of dead cells that make up Mr Pukehead (vice -resident-pukehead). I firmly believe this weirdo has taken steps to freeze his dead (poor excuse) for a body in the event they find a cure for fatness (from eating the flesh of Iraqi babies)so he may continue to live and haunt the good people of this Earth once again.(and again and again and again)

He plays dirty pool. Time to fight fire with fire !

[jukes]

91. many of us have no fondness for chaney

let me remind you that a veiled threat, even posed as a joke, against any of the executive branch or their families is a federal felony.

you have endangered yourself and this board w/ your comment. it's laudable to hate these fuckers (mary chaney actually campaigned AGAINST her dad, unless i'm mistaken, though), but we MUST obey the law or they'll have the excuse, they'd love, to silence us.


No offense, just a caution.

[Piperay]

92. Self-deleted