LAT: Bush Administration Faces Credibility Problem

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-bushiraq26jun26,0,2068870,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines

For months, President Bush has struggled to maintain public support for the war in Iraq in the face of periodic setbacks on the battlefield. Now he faces a second front in the battle for public opinion: charges that the administration is not telling the truth about how the war is going.

<snip>

Several recent polls have found that a majority of Americans now believe that the United States made a mistake in going to war in Iraq, and increasing numbers -- but not a majority -- said they want U.S. troops to be withdrawn immediately.

"What's interesting in this decline in support for the war is that it has sprung from the public itself," said pollster Andrew Kohut of the Pew Research Center. "It wasn't led by politicians or by an antiwar movement. It started back in May, when the focus in Washington was on other issues."

[MazeRat7]

1. Well blow me down... ya think ? *gezzz.... when did they wake up...

[goclark]

43. When enough of us told them to cancel

our subscriptions!

They are in the skids like Bush.

When they called to beg me to re up I gave them a piece of my mine.

There are piles of copies of the Times at the news stands - unread.

[not fooled]

51. well, LAT usually sells out in San Diego...

why? ...because the hideous indigenous rag, the SD Union Tribune, is infinitely worse

The UT Op-Ed page endlessly pimps for * no matter what...lately it's been amusing to see the editor assume a pretzel-like position to try to prop up his arguments supporting * as facts mount to the contrary. The UT is now in the realm of the ridiculous. :evilgrin: and it couldn't happen to a more deserving sewage outlet.

[Caledonia]

44. LOL

I'm totally dumfounded too!

[LightningFlash]

2. Bush Admin faces credability problem?

They have no credability whatsoever, or at all. So there technically is no credability problem, is there?

:shrug: :shrug:

[rodeodance]

28. you betcha!!!!

[Straight Shooter]

3. Does anyone else here feel like you're living 3 years in the future?

I'm all of a sudden reading things and hearing people say things that I've been thinking and saying for years now. It's quite disconcerting. I'm glad they're finally getting on board, but it's mind boggling how stupid they've all been.

:banghead:

[Dover]

5. LOL!! That's great. Back to the future

I keep waiting for the reel to run out on this B movie (for bad and for Bush).

[Straight Shooter]

15. It's either back to the future or The Twilight Zone

It is exactly like watching a B movie, though, or reading some kind of novel that is so bizarre you say to yourself, "Aw, that would never happen," and yet it happens in real life, over and over and over.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. As I said, it's disconcerting.

G'night.

[wtmusic]

8. Duh...the President hasn't been HONEST...

next thing you know, they'll be telling us there really weren't WMDs...

:silly:

[go west young man]

9. I'm totally relating to you on that one.

Its pretty amazing that the whole thing is laid out at the PNAC website but the MSM still doesn't level with us on it. I think things have gone south for the Repukes because of a lot of screwed up domestic issues (Sciavo, Gannon,Social security, Delays corruption, gas ) plus the Downing Street memo combined with the ongoing insurgency. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future its revealed how these bastards rigged the election too.

[halobeam]

24. These repubs are not unhappy with the prez cuz

of lies. They still believe him on the whole. These issues (domestic) that you mention are stands the repubs took that they don't agree with... Shiavo, Gannon, SSec., etc. DSM may have awoken a few, but obviously haven't had fair media (understatement of the year)

I don't see the tide turning until they start calling a lie a lie. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the heat is on them because of their miserable failures, which is EVERYTHING, but I still can't take a deep breath that this won't get massively worse before it gets better, if it can by then. I'm not sure if it can, right now.

Wasn't it another disaster of a nominee for EPA just yesterday? The guy is an asbestos lawyer? Holy crap. No one could destroy a nation better if they tried. REAL FREAKIN' HARD. Their deceiptful and manipulative ways are in overdrive.

Our country is being bitch slapped and too many are still being loyal. We are like an abused child still trying to get approval from an abusive parent. It's revolting at the same time... pathetic.

BTW, I've been smoking for years, have two kids and THIS admin. may actually make me want to quit, so I may live longer, just to see the day they are taken down by the laws that actually DO apply to them, and the people who once trusted them.

May the election fraud be exposed. That is the biggest threat to our democracy. Part two will be "theirs" in 2008 if we can't get paper ballots for EVERY vote and have the integrity of our vote restored.

2006 will tell us a lot.

[go west young man]

42. Your right on all that and I hope you quit smoking too.

We need good dems around for the long haul. Peace.

[mrdmk]

12. Yes, like I said in another post

To protect ourselves from ourselves. Somehow, it just does not feel like a warm fuzzy blanket.

[Gelliebeans]

18. yes I do

I keep waiting for the rest to catch on ::taps foot::

[zanne]

35. And they'll never admit that maybe....

All those protestors were right!

[Athame]

40. yep, but what we are thinking and saying now

is not too damn comforting.

It is hard to be kind with these idiots.

[BadGimp]

46. it should now be possible to callibrate..

It should now be possible to callibrate how long a reality rebound can take among the sheeple.

Of course the bigger the lie, the longer the rebound takes.

The best example is 9/11: The biggest lie imaginable, and the public is not even close to ready to accept the truth.

[laugle]

52. Bush, et.al. milked 911 and the fear factor,

fear does strange things to people. I always said, people were suffering from post trumatic 911 syndrome. But people are awake now and nothing Bush can say will change that!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!

[shanti]

4. credibility problems

since day one.

[Gronk Groks]

6. How many lies do they have to tell...

...before everyone knows they lie all the time???:banghead:

[daleo]

7. Downing Street Minutes

Among other things. The media always has to pretend things come out of nowhere.

[Bob3]

10. No really ? You think?

really the LAT needs to buy a mitt and catch a clue.

[mrdmk]

13. You forgot the hat to keep the blinding light out of their eyes n/t

:think:

[iconoclastic cat]

11. I'm really enjoying the snark, but this is very good news.

I think DUers should be proud of themselves for working to wake people up. Finally, the creeping unease has bloomed into a definite sinking feeling. Bush will drop like a stone, and by this winter, he will have approval ratings in the low 30's and the media will turn on him.

However, if we do not work very hard to ensure the integrity of our voting systems, all this angst and anger will come to nothing.

[mrdmk]

14. Agreed!

[rodeodance]

30. they acknowledge it will take more than next Tuesdays speech!!! gee

they got smart ones working back there in Wash.DC!!

.....Bush acknowledged Saturday that maintaining U.S. public support for the war was critical. "The terrorists' objective is to break the will of America and of the Iraqi people before democracy can take root," he said.

Bush will try to repair the damage Tuesday evening when he speaks at Ft. Bragg, N.C. Aides say that the president will point to reports that an increasing number of insurgents in Iraq appear to be fighters from other Arab countries, bolstering his argument that Iraq is "a central front in the war on terrorism."

But officials acknowledged that the underlying problems will take more than one speech to dispel.

"Senators are hearing from back home: If things are going so well, why do we hear every morning that 30 people have been killed in Baghdad?" said a top Republican advisor who refused to be identified.

[Oversea Visitor]

16. Gee Credibility geee

Outside the Media Curtain surrounding USA he face a hate problems

I hate that smirking chimp a sorry excuse of a fuck up president whose textual problems is so glaring that the world :rofl: and still cant figured out how did he ever win

[daleo]

23. It's true. n/t

[LightningFlash]

26. The answer: Election Fraud. And Ralph Reed using the corporate media...

To cover it all up in the process.

[deadparrot]

17. Credibility?

Why? I see no issue...:shrug:

You liberals are nuts. :crazy:

[Gronk Groks]

19. Slightly off the subject but...

...have you seen this from the Pew Global Attitudes Project???

"When the publics of the 16 nations covered by the survey were asked to give favorability ratings of five major leading nations ­ the United States, Germany, China, Japan, and France ­ the U.S. fared the worst of the group. In just six of the 16 countries surveyed does the United States attract a favorability rating of 50% or above. By contrast, China receives that level of favorability rating from 11 countries, while Japan, Germany and France each receive that high of a mark from 13 countries."

Maybe the rest of the world have already figured it out???

[rodeodance]

31. these figues fit nicely with what is going on at the WH!!!!

[leftchick]

33. this has been true for about 4 years now....

after the chimp became the warrior king.

[redacted]

20. When does an alcoholic lie? Whenever he opens his mouth. NT

[burrowowl]

21. Well, it is about frigging time!

"What's interesting in this decline in support for the war is that it has sprung from the public itself," said pollster Andrew Kohut of the Pew Research Center. "It wasn't led by politicians or by an antiwar movement. It started back in May, when the focus in Washington was on other issues."

Are the People getting a brain or have they had a brain and M$M, WH, etc. have been overlooking the fact. We know 2000 was stolen and 2004?

[kster]

22. Looks like the Media is

finding out that the * regime is not so tough after all. Soon as the media finds out that, they(bush) are few and we are many it gets easier and easier to tell the truth on this corrupt bunch of thugs.

As my dad (navy) used to tell my brother(navy) jokingly, Dad served when the ships were made of wood and the men were made of steel, and the brother served when the ships were made of steel and the men were made of wood.

Both Liberal Democrats and proud to have served.

If this was happening when my Dad was alive,and he knew his kid was in harms way, because of a lie, there would be hell to pay. Lets get this thing done.

The media is afraid of chickenhawks, that were afraid to serve. Get with it media we are watching you !

[fooj]

25. It's all been "a pack of lies"!

:grr:

[rfrrfrrfr]

27. The thing that makes me want to pound my

head into the wall is that we told them this stuff would happen and all we got back was no can't happen you just hate the president and all your information is liberally biased.

No its the F'n truth you morons it has no bias, and if you had bothered to listen to us maybe we wouldn't be in the pickle we are in now.

It just makes me more angry the more I think about it.

[rodeodance]

29. "Bush's Credibility Takes a Direct Hit From Friendly Fire"--your link took

me to this headline.
I liked the first one better (original post).



Bush's Credibility Takes a Direct Hit From Friendly Fire
Cheney's remark on the Iraqi insurgency's 'last throes' undercuts a calibrated message.
By Doyle McManus
Times Staff Writer

June 26, 2005

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. Oh yeah, sure...it's all about Cheney getting off script

It couldn't be that the public sees that the initial reasons for war were made up, that Bush was intent on war in spring 2002, that Saddam Hussein was a feeble and toothless mini-despot, and that every so-called "benchmark moment" has amounted to nothing but a pebble to be bypassed in a rushing stream of blood and treasure? Couldn't be the actual FACTS that are pissing people off? No, just Cheney getting off-script.

Puuuuuh-fucking-leeeeeez.

[pinniped]

32. The direction this POS admin. was heading in was all too clear...

before the (s)election.

What I would like to know is what percentage of the * voting idiots have changed their minds. You know, buyer's remorse.

I think this assclown is playing his "ace" too soon. When this doesn't materialize, WTF are the morans going to say?

--But last month, Vice President Dick Cheney broke from the administration's "message discipline" and declared that the insurgency was in its "last throes."--

[indepat]

34. Bush Administration faces a credibility problem: no shit, f***ing amazing

[driver8]

36. Hey, c'mon...it only took the press four and a half years to pull

their heads out of their asses.

They could have saved themselves a lot of time and come to DU, first.

[Cocoa]

37. Bruce Willis faces a hair problem n/t

[Hotler]

41. He is????? eom.

[MountainLaurel]

39. Captain Obvious strikes again

This administration hasn't made a truthful statement since the Shrub's announcement at a meeting of millionaires that "This is my base."

Although I have a question about the statement in the OP about how what's suprising is that this is coming from the public itself, not from the antiwar movement, blah, blah, blah. Who does this fuckstick Kohut think the antiwar movement is, except the American public?

[depakid]

45. I have news

It's the so called "mainsream media" that has a credibility problem- to the extent that no intelligent person believes a word they say about issues of public concern without first checking the facts against multiple sources.

Note to the Tribune- ever thought about why the LA Time's circulation numbers have been in freefall since your corporation took over the paper?

[cliss]

47. This sentence,

"...it has sprung from the public itself". This told me everything. Imagine the surprise, that the public is able to think, aside from the daily Maoist bombardment of propaganda the American public is subject to.

It's very clear this pollster is perfectly aware of what's going on in Washington. They don't know how to cope with this -- a public that's doing its own thinking.

[1democracy]

48. the public is not as stupid as some in this administration hoped...

Last year in our candidates' night for local elections a totally new approach was taken. All candidates filled out a lengthy (yes-no) survey on their positions on a variety of issues ahead of time. These were passed out at candidates night to the public as a means to stimulate questions. It was the best most informative candidates night ever-- and the public asked all the hard, no- nonsense questions. Several candidates would not answer certain questions in the survey and the public went at them until their true positions were revealed.
"We the people" are a lot smarter than the politicians want to give use credit for. We need to be given the tools, to be trusted as intelligent, thinking individuals.
Some believe (predicated on their patriarchal religion) they know best for us, but patriarchy is at odds with democracy. We don't need a "big daddy" telling us what is true and what's not. True new testament Christianity empowers the common man, the downtrodden, and recognizes the inherent dignity and worth of every human. True Christianity abhors torture and killing. True Christians should defend their faith from those that have hijacked it for their own nefarious purposes.

[XemaSab]

50. God forbid

the voters should actually know where the candidates stand on the issues!

Reminds me of that HUGE survey done last year that demostrated for once and for all that Bush voters are ignorant shits.

[XemaSab]

49. LAT: Bush Administration Faces Credibility Problem

In other news, we have recently confirmed that the Pope is Catholic! Film at 11!

[Javaman]

53. This leads people on into thinking they actually had a shred if it left...

They have no credibility.