Radical Islamic groups in Pakistan demand U.S. shut Guantanamo prison

[maddezmom]

Sunday June 26, 11:39 AM

A coalition of radical Pakistani Islamic groups on Sunday demanded that the United States close its prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and apologize for the alleged desecration of Islam's holy book by U.S. soldiers at the detention facility.

Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the head of the six-party coalition, also dismissed as "insufficient" a U.S. probe into the alleged Quran desecration and demanded an independent investigation.

"The notorious torture cells of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram should be immediately closed," said Ahmed, referring to U.S. prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan hit by allegations of detainee torture.

~snip~

"This conference rejects as insufficient and partial a report by the Pentagon about the desecration of the Quran in Guantanamo, and demands that a committee of internationally renowned persons be set up and it should be given access to American torture cells," Ahmed said.

A Pentagon report released earlier this month detailed some incidents in which U.S. guards at Guantanamo desecrated the Quran.
more:http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050626/ap/d8avcob80.html

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I think more than radical Islamic groups are calling for this

the prison is a disgrace to this nation and is un-Constitutional. Setting up and running the prison should be one of the indictments against Bush when he is impeached, imho.

[mom cat]

10. Guantánamo is now the poster child for the Great Satan!

The more that the US defends Guantánamo, the more that the Moslem world will hate us. But it is too late to change course now since Halliburton has its new contract.

[izzie]

2. Now that is great. As if they are no bad enough.

I think the camps are just awful but having that group saying something is really over the top. Course us saying every one should shape up and we keep these camps going is also over the top. It is like saying we are OK because ewe are not as bad as you. We only do it to a few people. But then we do feed them good and they are in place that was always known for it great beaches.

[ElectroPrincess]

3. Oh no no no, that can NOT be true!

Not in the DEMOCRACY of Pakistan? (see Dubya's interview with the Irish during his last visit).

I guess Pakistan's Dear Leader, General oops! I meant to say President Muscharraf is having to
tolerate another one of those pesky "focus groups?" :crazy: :wow:



We are having our own little "attempted takeover" by Fundy Nut Cases, therefore, don't expect much support from anybody.

Good Luck on getting a handle on re-visiting the concept of a "Secular State" ... even a Militaristic One.

We're far too busy trying to survive in The United States of Corporate Bush-World. Amen! And pass the ammunition. ;) :puke:

[dArKeR]

4. I demand America does NOT occupy Cuba. America withdrawl from Cuba!

[Igel]

5. I have to assume that this is the MMA. They've managed to

become a fairly important political force in Pakistan, rallying together disparate, almost entirely Sunni, mostly Deobandi, groups.

They're a clear majority in regional legislature in the NWFP (Northwest frontier province, one of the leading areas for UBL's current residence). At one point, they denied alQa'ida existed; numerous people allegedly associated with AQ turned up, mysteriously, sheltering in some MMA houses. They've tried, with scant success, to institute a vice/virtue squad, reportable only to the MMA governor, in the region; their response to failure was to have the police stand down when their youth groups managed to deface the pornography, otherwise known as women's faces, on advertising, and to effectively ban most music.

Elsewhere they're noted for large marches and demonstrations. They keep putting the kabosh on madrasseh reform, making sure that the focus isn't just on Qur'anic studies and Arabic, but also on math and science.

They've also been vocal in their support for the Taliban and imposition of shari'a.

Most recently they've had a bit of protesting whenever one of their high muckety-mucks gets murdered, or a group of Sunnis gets blown up. But for some reason, they never seem to utter a peep, except in retrospect, when non-Sunnis are murdered.

As for Qur'an abuse: They don't need proof that any individual did so. It's assumed that we do that, as well as insult and abuse Muslims, in a systematic and organized fashion, daily; no Qur'an abuse can be accidental. It's up to us to provide proof of sufficient quality and quantity to demonstrate beyond doubt that we're innocent.

[Karenina]

6. *MIC is "Insulting and abusing" Muslims

"in a systematic and organized fashion, daily," YES. THAT is FACT.
Slaughtering, subjugating, humiliating, intimidating, those are other FACTS. NO, "you" are NOT in any way, shape or form, "innocent." The longer you believe such nonsense the worse we ALL will suffer.



ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN

(a guide for Global Leadership)

All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand pile at school.
These are the things I learned:

* Share everything.
* Play fair.
* Don't hit people.
* Put things back where you found them.
* Clean up your own mess.
* Don't take things that aren't yours.
* Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
* Wash your hands before you eat.
* Flush.
* Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
* Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.
* Take a nap every afternoon.
* When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together.
* Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
* Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
* And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.

Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living.

Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the whole world - had cookies and milk at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess.

And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together.
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[Igel]

9. I should have been more explicit.

That *Americans* in general, in US cities and colleges and towns and schools, are systematically and in an organized fashion insulting and abusing Muslims.

Having lived in various of the above for a while, this is not the case.

The complaints started before we set foot in Iraq, and it's disengenuous for them to now say the *real* reason for the complaints decades ago, the gist of which has continued uninterrupted and unchanged to the present, is something that happened a year or two ago, or even "just" a decade ago. The complaints have gotten more widespread, but that's about the only fair way of saying it. And reading nonsense from Pakistani, Sa'udi, and other "Muslim" papers ... some of the complaints and charges are pathetic.

[unhappycamper]

7. You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until the new torture pictures

come out Thursday evening. The proverbial shit will hit the proverbial fan.

[MrPrax]

8. Radical??

How are they a "coalition of radical Pakistani Islamic groups"?

Um...they had a conference and want a committee of "internationally renowned persons" to have access to Gitmo to independently...um

They are also calling on the US to close these 'torture cells'...

Seems a perfectly reasonable and well-thought demand; lots of 'radical' groups are demanding this as well.

I was under the impression that the term 'radical' was set aside for those folks that use/threaten violence to achieve their ends...?

You know if they demanded the camps be closed or else the 'rivers of blood' and the 'screaming death agonies of infidels' and all that spooky stuff, then I would use 'radical'.

Doesn't take much to get demonized these days...

:shrug:

[NNN0LHI]

11. Is Lou Dobbs writing these headlines? n/t