Bush administration crafting new message on Iraq

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

(KRT) - Stung by plummeting polls, the Bush administration is working on a new message about Iraq. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld road-tested it on the Sunday talk shows, and President Bush will flesh it out during a speech Tuesday night. The basic message, as articulated by Rumsfeld, goes something like this:

1. "Progress is being made politically and economically" in Iraq.

2. But the casualties could get worse over the next six months, and fighting could go on for "five, six, eight, 12 years."

3. And we have never miscalculated, erred, or misled you.

It's an ambitious message - a mix of the upbeat, the downbeat and the defiant. Whether a restive public buys the message may depend not on Bush's persuasive powers, but on the news from the battlefield. And this message arrives at a crucial juncture, with solid majorities of Americans now saying that invading Iraq was a mistake (a sharp reversal of the polls one year ago). At this point, 91.5 percent of all American military deaths have occurred since Bush declared on May 1, 2003, that "major combat" was over.

more: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/nation/11992687.htm

[Theres-a]

1. Crafting.

tr.v. craft·ed, craft·ing, crafts

1. To make by hand.
2. Usage Problem. To make or construct (something) in a manner suggesting great care or ingenuity: “It was not the Chamber of Commerce that crafted the public policies that have resulted in a $26 billion annual subvention to the farmers” (William F. Buckley, Jr.).

[NNN0LHI]

9. Ba, da, bing n/t

[Sydnie]

13. Crafting jumped out at me too

Not enough paper and glue to make a good story anymore blivet**.

What part of "We Don't Believe Anything You Say Anymore" don't you understand? Go jerk off a horse, you'll get better results. We are all climaxed out.

Who ever wrote that headline is among the newly awaken.

[Pirate Smile]

27. It is a Knight Ridder article. They are the ones that picked up on DSM

and have been harder on BushCo then AP, Reuters, NYT, etc.

I e-mailed the Huffington Post and asked them to link to Knight Ridder Tribune wire service also.

I also noticed that Yahoo News now lists them (I don't think they used to - they aren't at the top with AP, Reuters, AFP, LA Times, USA Today, etc. but they are given as an option at the bottom of the listings for Top Stories as "More from Knight Rider Newspapers, etc.)

However, they aren't listed under "Politics" for stories and I wish they were because that may have been where many of the DSM stories that they did (when no one else was paying attention) would have shown up on Yahoo News.

edit to add a link - http://news.yahoo.com/

[ribrepin]

30. We are all climaxed out.

Bravo--that sums it up in a nutshell.

[leftchick]

31. Free The West Memphis Three....

I have not been to the site in a while. I had been following this for years. I am glad to see this upcoming event and thank you for the reminder...

http://wm3.org/live/newsevents/eventsitem.php?index=1&events_Id=88

please take a look folks.

[Cronus Protagonist]

37. So they're fixing the speech around their policy despite the facts

Where have I heard that before?

"And to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you." - G. W. Bush

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

[ClintonTyree]

81. Yes, they're "crafting" more lies...

that part about not lying, misleading, or erring is a piece of "crapmanship" if I ever heard it. :eyes: More lies to gloss over the previous lies....wonderful. That's what happens when you lie in the first place, you can never stop and you'd better have a damn good memory. However, we have an even BETTER memory and will call them on their lies at every turn. :grr:

[thecrow]

50. Fabricating ..... a new what? do you say?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh, forgive me.

[Greylyn58]

70. Crafting...

as apposed to telling the truth.

But as we all know, Shrub wouldn't know the truth if it reached up and bit him in the ass!!! This guy has lied to the American public so much he probably doesn't even know the truth anymore.

[Imagevision]

123. Crafting-exactly - How do you BS the masses when Iraq is going so

badly. -- Next time have an exit stragy dumbo! and so many unnecessary deaths wouldn't have to occur as the war progresses to boot!

This Pesident is so incompetant for this position!

[radfringe]

126. it's called OPERATION HAPPY FACE

[mbperrin]

2. Cue "And the beat goes on."

Amazing how relevant everything is again, ain't it?

[daleo]

3. Downing Street Minutes must be getting through to the public.

Else they wouldn't bother with:

"3. And we have never miscalculated, erred, or misled you."

[KittyWampus]

33. I AM NOT A CROOK! Sounds Familiar, Yes Indeed.

[ClintonTyree]

84. "We will be greeted as liberators"....

-Dick Cheney. "This war will pay for itself"- Paul Wolfowitz. You all know the rest, the mushroom cloud, Rummy knowing exactly where the WMDs were hidden, Powell's vial of Anthrax at the U.N.....the lies are piled up like cord-wood.

These guys are so full of shit there ought to be a bio-hazard sticker on each and every one of them. :grr:

[calimary]

111. That may be the best line of the day:

"These guys are so full of shit there ought to be a bio-hazard sticker on each and every one of them."

Mind if I quote you?

This thread gets kicked and nominated if for no other reason - this WUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDERFUL one-liner (although it's certainly worthy of nomination by itself anyway). Bravo!!!

[Doctor_J]

4. They could just tell the truth for change

instead of "crafting a message". Nah, they'd never do that

[KansDem]

131. You've got a point here...

Time to flood the media with "How do you 'craft' the truth?" We should demand that Bush or some other member of the Party of Morality explain this.

[bemildred]

5. Are these people on drugs?

(I know, I know, of course they are.)
:banghead::banghead:

[xray s]

6. Rumsfeld selling a car

The engine is seized up, the tranny is shredded, the brakes are locked, the tires are flat, the body is a sheet of rust and there's a load of fresh bullshit in the trunk..."excellent condition".

[JohnnyRingo]

72. Good one....

In the car ads the next line is usually "needs restored"

[omega minimo]

7. Great for Prozac sales

Will Americans REMEMBER or go with the program(ming)?

[ClintonTyree]

86. I believe Americans are past the point of trusting...

these ass-clowns ever again. There may be a few dummies that will buy it, but the vast majority have had it with these lying idiots. bush's administration could fuck up a one car funeral procession.

[coalition_unwilling]

98. A good point. Once people have turned against

the war in Iraq (now by margins as high as 60% against to 40% for), it's difficult to see any strategy to "win them back" succeeding. Remember that before and during the initial stages of invasion, the percentages were almost exactly reversed (70% for to 30% against). Clearly, the current 60% against consists of a large number who used to be part of the 70% for, and I doubt they will swing back to the "for" group again.

[BrklynLiberal]

8. Is that the same as "honing"?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

10. There was another headline that used the word "honing."

[Theres-a]

12. Definition

tr.v. craft·ed, craft·ing, crafts

1. To make by hand.
2. Usage Problem. To make or construct (something) in a manner suggesting great care or ingenuity: “It was not the Chamber of Commerce that crafted the public policies that have resulted in a $26 billion annual subvention to the farmers” (William F. Buckley, Jr.).

[mzmolly]

11. Not sure whether to laugh or cry at this BS:

"3. And we have never miscalculated, erred, or misled you."

[maddezmom]

14. it's all so bizarre and absurd at the same time

:banghead:

[lfairban]

125. ". . . and you can believe me, . . .

. . . because I never lie, and I'm always right. So, vote for me, George Tirebiter."

Paid for by the Tirebiter for political solutions committee, Sector R.

[Catfight]

15. Cue, "Ball of Confusion," as well. The excuse de jour. nt

[Cocoa]

16. new?

I guess the "five, six, eight, 12 years" part is new...

[BRLIB]

80. Is the series to be filled in more thoroughly?

Five, six, eight, 12, 20, 36, 68, ... years.

[trogdor]

104. n(1) = 5, n(m) = n(m-1)+2^(m-2)

[Occulus]

121. Oh, for CHRIST'S sake!

You have too much time on your hands! SHEESH!

:rofl:

[lumberjack_jeff]

17. It's the "I meant to do that" defense n/t

[annabanana]

90. Bee-You-Ti- Full !!

"I meant to do that".. Perfect. That is exactly what their bright shiny "new minted" message is. You nailed it in one.

Welcome to DU lumberjack_jeff!
:toast:

[indepat]

18. This Administration has never miscalculated, erred, or misled us

on any issue: they knew prexactly what they were getting into in Iraq and they even knew almost prexactly how big the deficits they were creating would be and they neither miscalculated nor erred.

[SittingBull]

100. Bush stated

that he couldn't remember one single mistake.

*LOL

[The Gunslinger]

19. At least the're being honest

........about point #2 "But the casualties could get worse over the next six months, and fighting could go on for "five, six, eight, 12 years."

[Pirate Smile]

20. It could go on for 12 years AND we have NEVER mislead you.

Those seems to be two directly contradictory statements within the same message.

It won't fly.

People know they were told it was going to be quick and easy - welcomed with flowers and candy, pay for itself, out within months or a year.

Normal people's BS meters will fly off the charts.

[tinrobot]

24. Not misleading at all...

12 more years of combat.



Nope... we never mislead you...

[blondie333]

36. Excellent message for the Dems

to play over and over. Rove's statements can't come close to the story told by this picture.

[daleo]

47. Fantastic juxtaposition. n/t

[leftchick]

55. 6 months at the most....

rummy's own words.

[nonconformist]

21. I wonder if they buy their own bullshit? nt

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

32. You know they do...

and that's the frightening part.

[greyl]

120. No, I don't think so.

They know they're being dishonest with us. Honesty is not what they value most.

[AuntiBush]

22. 5, 6, 8 And Even Up to 12 YEARS!?! WTF!

Well, let's see if Rove's devious message to the faithful flocks will calulate, and lead all of them in groves to their nearest recruitment offices. Hell, 6 to 12 years - that's a damn career.

Unbeliveable. Do you think they sit up there laughing every morning, mustering-up another grand scheme in how to "freak-out" an entire nation? 'Cause that's all their good for, creating havoc, divisons that could lead to a cultural civil war and I ain't talking Bagdad either.

What a stinkin' mess. We'll never survive 3 1/2 more years.
I'm going to be sick. :puke:

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

[CelticWinter]

23. Get your barn boots out--

bush&co are trying to think so its gonna start getting deep

[Pharaoh]

25. look for a huge spike in attacks

prior to the speech............monday

[Disturbed]

28. I've been waiting of the next terrorist attack..

within the USA blamed on Iranian Terrorists.

[Amonester]

63. But perpetrated by (ex?-) CIA operatives, again? (UBL?) n/t

:boring: :scared: :banghead: :cry: :hide:

[katinmn]

26. Same old lies. Do you think anyone will notice?

[Guaranteed]

29. ANOTHER one? How many "messages" is that? nt

[berni_mccoy]

34. Hate to toot my own horn

But here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3951400&mesg_id=3951400

(well, I don't really hate to toot it... :-))

[ninkasi]

46. Excellent observation...

...feel free to toot away! Seriously, though , thanks for the link, I hadn't seen your first post.

[central scrutinizer]

35. Lipstick on a pig

good fucking luck getting anybody, other than brain-dead fundies, to buy this load of lies.

[hedda_foil]

38. Repub support for war down 11% since March!

The administration's challenge is to rekindle confidence among middle-of-the-road Americans who are glad Saddam Hussein is gone, yet wonder whether the costs in U.S. blood and treasure have been worth it. But another key challenge is to reinforce ties between Bush and his conservative base, because Gallup reports that support for the war among Republicans has dropped 11 percentage points since March. Bush's base is still hanging tough, but further erosion could seriously narrow his political options.

Hence, the new message - upbeat, downbeat and defiant, coupled with fresh charges that liberals and Democrats are weak on defense.

[sendero]

39. If this is their message..

.... they are going to be sorely dissapointed in the results.

Americans are not going to stay in Iraq even 3 more years, much less 8 or 12.

Bush** is about to find that there is a limit to what happy-talk can do.

[Alpharetta]

40. Good. I want as many liars as possible to tie themselves to this

continued stupidass project.

Come on, guys. Stake your reputation on it. Show some resolve!

[uppityperson]

41. Aren't new Abu Ghraib photos due out Thur?

Wondering if pre-emption is the reason for his speech Tues. Perhaps a "few bad apples" that "caused the insurgency" and all is now fine and another corner turned? Does anyone know if this is when the expanded photos are due out? Thanks.

[LynnTheDem]

42. "cakewalk".

[DrZeeLit]

43. If we wanted crafts we would have elected Martha Stewart... sheesh...

This administration goes beyond EMBARASSMENT.
Inept, lying, criminals who need to be prosecuted...

oooops... sorry, Martha.

Isn't that weird? Martha goes to jail while the * admin crafts a new message.
It's so out of whack.

[confludemocrat]

44. Hows about a 60 city tour like the Soc Sec tour?

This pack of deadly thugs will now go embark on their greatest battle, to save themselves from the possibility of prison. Get ready this is going to make the 2004 gutting of Kerry seem like childs play. Rove's disgusting sickening spew last week was just an opener.

[maxrandb]

59. Here's My Idea for a Great T-shirt

We needs to come up with a satirical concert T-shirt for *'s "catapulting the propaganda" tour.

You know, have a nose-picking picture of * on the front with a big red down arrow. On the back accross the top have "The Social Security/Iraq War 2005 LollaBamboozle Tour". Then list the venues, just like on a concert shirt and list the declining poll numbers after each venue.

I envision something like this.

Feb23 - Cleveland, Oh - Approval Rating 50%
Feb25 - Cincinnati, Oh - Approval Rating 48%
Mar1 - Des Moines, IA - Approval Rating 46%
Mar3 - Chicago, Il - Approval Rating 43%

[scdusek]

82. Great idea!

We can also make notes of people being hauled off for having subversive bumper stickers on their car.

[neverforget]

45. Still trying to put lipstick on a pig.....

:eyes:

[truthisfreedom]

48. talk about "catapulting the propaganda"! this one should be a real

rip-snorter.

[annabanana]

91. hee hee... look at THIS catapulting..

bitsy movie... very funny
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/catapultpropaganda.htm

[deadparrot]

49. Wow. 1984 much?

They're gonna send this message out on the airwave, so when people do start asking questions, they can point to their policy, pretend it was never changed, and say, "See? We warned you that it would be hard."

[The_Casual_Observer]

51. Rumsfeld had all the answers before the war. Now the smart ass

doesn't know the answers to anything. it all"unknowable" now.

[Logician]

52. So, like, what will our truth campaign include?

Let's not sit still on this new assault on facts and credibility.

What should our campaign for honesty include?

1. What defines progress? We should relate the number of dead and causalities among US and Iraq. We should look at current gov't officials and evaluate/describe the breadth of their support in Iraq-- are they for 'real' or are they puppets for window-dressing?

2. Need to stress that this was a war waged under false pretenses, citing DSM and other intelligence forms-- and we must constantly tell America that they are not alone in their skepticism about the war-- cite poll information. Therefore, the toll on life and limb is sufficiently horrible and unjustified *now*!

3. Keep hammering away at their credibility, using DSM and other papers. Never stop hammering away, even as they dismiss claims that they misled America--- that is their strategy....up is down, black is white, hot is cold, etc.


We need to be forceful and wide spread in our campaign. It should begin here.

[Massachusetts]

53. "Bush administration crafting new message on Iraq"

Put silk on a goat and its still a goat.

[u2spirit]

62. Turd polish

Where is that graphic I saw a while back advertising Turd polish here on DU.

[alarimer]

54. It's all a lie

Especially number 3. They have continually misled us. they cannot tell the truth; they only spin the message.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

56. This article is terrific. I found this further into the article.

Rumsfeld told "Fox News Sunday," for example, that he had not made optimistic predictions during the prelude to war. Such a claim, he said, is "false. ... I have been balanced and measured."

Yet, on Feb. 7, 2003, more than a month before the war began, he predicted that "it could last six days, six weeks, I doubt six months." On Feb. 20, 2003, he told PBS that the Americans "would be welcomed," as happened in Afghanistan, where people in the streets were "playing music, cheering, flying kites." (Seven months later, when a broadcast journalist asked Rumsfeld about his PBS remarks, he replied: "Never said that. Never did. ... You're thinking of somebody else.")

Also Sunday, Rumsfeld told NBC's "Meet the Press" that any rosy prewar predictions (which he denies were made) would have been inappropriate. He said: "Anyone who tries to estimate the end, the time, the cost, or the casualties in a war is making a big mistake." Yet it was Cheney, on March 16, 2003, who said "I think it will go relatively quickly ... weeks rather than months." A month earlier, Bush budget official Mitchell E. Daniels Jr. publicly estimated that the war could cost roughly $60 billion. (The current cost is $208 billion)

snip>

He recalled that, during the run-up to war, he had prepared for Bush a list of "15 things that could go terribly wrong," including oil fields set afire and mass refugees on the roads. NBC interviewer Tim Russert then asked whether he had put "a robust insurgency" on the list. Rumsfeld replied: "I don't remember if that was on there."

"I don't remember if that was on there."!?!

Nice planning, dude. MKJ

[Amonester]

67. Yeah, sure... And what he WON'T tell you might be...

that he/they (PNAC) planned to unlock the gates of the amunition caches where tons and tons of explosives (more than enough to blast Shias & U.S. Troops for the next 12 years?) were stock-pilled in, in order for their corrupt corporations (ExxonMobil-like & Carlysle-like) can continue to just rip-off the taxpayers' national credit card, and continue to manufacture such a handy justification for doing so...

When will the other 40-something percent wake-up?
When they're bankrupt beyond repair?

:grr:

[Occulus]

122. He needs to be made to face his own words.

I want ONE interviewer to have Skeletor face his own words on a TV monitor right there, on stage, in front of the cameras. Pin him to the ground with first his denials of having said anything of the sort, followed by video of him saying it. Play it twice. Force the man to walk offstage in front of the cameras. Force him to show the country how much of a squirming worm corward his shitty self is. Ruin his career, embarass the hell out of himself and the administration, and if he does leave, have a complete character assassination ready and waiting for broadcast.

It is time, and past time, for reporters to start visibly turning on this adminstration. Their lies are becoming obvious.

[Royaras]

124. But technically speaking...

The "war" or "major combat operations" was declared over only a couple of months after they started.

Now before I get flamed, OBVIOUSLY we are still in combat in Iraq, but this goes to their framing. They can say that "Mission Accomplished" signaled the official end of the war and be correct in an egregiously dishonest way. They have "handed over" power to the Iraqis, the Iraqis have held elections and have a preliminary parliament. This little "insurgency uprising"--not the war--is what they are now cautioning may last 12 years.

[Ripley]

57. Crafting...are they conjuring up spells?

If his poll numbers go up instead of the downward spiral they've been on, after his talkiepoo, then we know for sure.

They have cast a voodoo spell upon the nation. Or the poll makers anyway.

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. So much for 'the last throes' (n/t)

[Tracer]

60. Cranking it out.

SmirkyBoy will no longer be "catapulting the propaganda".

Now, he'll truly be "trebuchet-ing" it.

[lynettebro440]

61. Doesn't this contradict Cheney?

Didn't he just say a month ago that we were on our last throes there? Now they are changing it again? WTF?:shrug:

[Nostradamus]

64. Nixon's madman theory in operation

same old shit...different arsehole

"...The strategy behind the U.S. bombing raids was what was called the madman theory. It is not exactly clear, where the name came from, but the concept is clearly Nixon’s: Under no circumstances the other side should be sure what Nixon was to do next. It should not be impossible for them to think, Nixon would be willing to use the strongest possible forces to intervene and bomb. In that Nixon wanted to be considered irrational and unconceivable. “Call me the mad bomber,” he said before the Christmas Bombings of 1972. When telling Kissinger to deliver the madman theory to the Soviet Union and North Vietnam, he played the “good cop – bad cop” game in order to threaten the other side even more and increase Kissinger’s credibility at the same time. It is that concept that led Nixon through his efforts to end the war. It didn not work out, as the North Vietnamese themselves were willing to accept great more losses than the Americans or South Vietnamese, with up to 3 Million dead during the war. The North Vietnamese, Kissinger stated, were much more interested in fighting than winning, with the U.S. it was the other way round.

But Nixon was willing to deploy even nuclear weapons. He was wiling to do so as early as 1954, when the Joints Chief of Staff Admiral Radford proposed Operation Vulture. It included an option on nuclear strikes to help the French. It turned out from recently published White House Tapes that Nixon in 1972 proposed the use of nuclear weapons to Kissinger, who was not pleased and argued, it might be a little too big a weapon.

By 1971 Nixon issued his doctrine, which allowed him to pull out of Vietnam. It said, the U.S. was to give money and military aid to friendly countries, so that they were able to defend themselves. American troops would not be send. The so called Vietnamization was one part of his strategy. As the operations of 1972 showed, this concept did not work out in the case of South Vietnam, which even fell to the North in 1975, not being able to defend itself.

http://www.lars-klein.com/start/usa/nixon/nixonvietnam.html

[Plaid Adder]

65. Craft away, assholes. Spin is not going to win the war for you.

Someone has just got to beat it into them with a sledgehammer: SPIN ONLY WORKS ON AMERICANS. It's going to have no fucking effect on the Iraq insurgency, so no matter what kind of message you 'craft,' you're going to keep losing this war, and that means that eventually, your Jedi magic will not work on us any more.

Anyway, how is this a new message? #1 and #3 have been reiterated constantly for months now. #2 is the only new part and even that has already been floated by plenty of people. And, I would point out, that's precisely why people are souring on the war, which was supposed to be as easy and pain-free as Gulf War I, so I don't know how this is supposed to be a solution, especially since it once again makes a liar out of Cheney.

Are they televizing Bush's Fort Bragg speech anywhere except cable? I might tune in to see whether he can get through it without falling over. One of these days he's going to have a complete public meltdown, and I don't want to miss it.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

[ClintonTyree]

113. As long as he can read off the TelePrompter...

he's OK, when he tries anything off script he's a train-wreck.
bush is again using the military as a prop for his "war president" image, but people are getting tired of that crap too.
So he's meeting some of the families of soldiers killed in his grudge war? I'm sure it's a hand picked, pro-bush group. He'd never take a chance of having to face a family not enamored with his bullshit, lying and brain dead policies. This idiot is so far removed from reality he probably doesn't know what year it is.

[Beetwasher]

66. "We Have Never Mislead You" MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHEDCMISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

[mpendragon]

68. So, everything is going well . . . except for the killing

That's a relief.

[Orion The Hunter]

69. RE: Crafting new message

Yeah and given the uneasiness the American public feels about the situation in Iraq, I am sure this new message will go over like about as well as a lead brick...

[DRoseDARs]

71. At least it wasn't "Bush administration 'fixing' new message on Iraq"...

That would have been a hoot and a half... :thumbsup:

[yy4me]

73. Being buried as I write this

I'm so glad for George with his new, upbeat message. I wonder if this message will be any comfort to the family of a soldier here in my town whose funeral service is being conducted --with full honors-as we speak. This was a young man with 2 children and a wife whom I am sure will be pleased that this evil war is not miscalculated, that no-one was ever lied to, that no-one ever erred. This obscene
conflict will still be going on when his children are adults. All in the name of---what? Why does this government feel we have to spread our way of government to the rest of the world and who told George and company that his is the only way, the best way, and that we have the right to impose it on any other country, whether they want it or not. I don't know this young man but my children do, I understand he was a great person. Aren't they all? I can hear the helicopter now, it just passed over. What a comfort!

[saigon68]

76. FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH

Wait til the widow gets the run around from the VA

[AngryOldDem]

74. And this is supposed to SHORE UP support for the war???

If the public buys this load of horseshit, there is no hope.

And, sorry, but there is ample evidence on the record to rebut Point 3.

Nice try. Why not just admit that this has been a collosal fuck-up and bring the troops home NOW?

[Amonester]

101. Dream on.

> Why not just admit that this has been a collosal fuck-up and bring the troops home NOW? <

Not a valid part of PNAC.
Won't happen.

;(

[Patchuli]

116. PNAC

is threatening democracy. :-(

[bornagainhuman]

75. I wonder if he will say that this could last for years even after this

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/23/cheney.interview/index.html

It is a story just posted just last friday that says Cheney still stands by his "last thores" statement.

[Politicub]

77. In other news, Deck Chairs Being ReArranged on the Titanic n/t

[robotbrains]

78. dust off that foam brick

i'm sure i will be launching mine numerous times at the boobtube on tuesday!

[SiouxJ]

79. Have they been using the '5, 6, 8, 12 years"

projection when they are out recruiting? I doubt it. Go ahead and come clean now. Good luck with your recruiting effort. Tell the possible recruits that; oh and the part about the casualties getting worse too. And this was for what again? What is your story this week Mr. Bush? WMD's? Connection to Bin Laden? Democracy? Humanitarian effort? Which is, it? I can't remember what the talking point is this week.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

118. 2005, 2006, 2008, 2012...

Why do these numbers make me think of upcoming elections?

I wonder if he's going to try to keep himself in the WH for a couple more terms...

[scdusek]

83. Perfect.

At least we get another opportunity to watch the chimp butcher the English language.

[Supersedeas]

85. Public Image Ltd

[pompano]

87. Stands to reason....

Speaking of anti-climatic, I’ll bet Lush Limpballs needs 2 bottles of Oxycontin to spin out of this one?

What was all this fasade about purple fingers sticking up in the air...what did that buy us...12 more years in the sand box? Add the two years we have been there plus the twelve years we might still be there, thats about half of Saddam’s tenure...progress is “JUST OOZING” from the seams ain’t it?

[ClintonTyree]

88. There is a cancer in the bush administration.....

and it is deceit. Why can't these people EVER tell the truth? Why can't they just level with the American people and say, 'Hey, we miscalculated, we made mistakes, we padded the truth a little and we're sorry'. NO! :banghead: They have to keep lying and dig themselves into an even DEEPER hole! :wtf:
That, my friends, is a sickness. Not having the ability to tell the truth is the behavior pattern of a sociopath. We have an administration full of sociopaths. Their minds are diseased. They need professional help, I don't give a damn WHAT Tom Cruise says! :mad: What the fuck is WRONG with these people? :grr:

[librechik]

89. The Dog Ate My Homework Doctrine

thank goodness the grownups are in charge--otherwise we might get stuck in Iraq with no accountabilty for the next decade!

wait...

[moondust]

92. New lipstick, same old pig.

[K8-EEE]

93. Stung By Plummeting Polls? But...but...GWB DOESN'T CARE

about polls, isn't that what he's always said??

[stevietheman]

94. So, they are not human?

"And we have never miscalculated, erred, or misled you."

*Anybody* who makes a claim like this should be seen as suspect. And then, for leaders who did indeed provably miscalculated, erred and misled us to say they didn't do these things is a new zenith of hubris.

The Bush Administration is a group of crooked lying liars who need to be shipped up to the Hague so they can be tried for war crimes while our proper *Constitutional* government can be restored. When is the ICC going to arrest the President and his fascist comrades? I'm waiting...

To any idiot neocons or Freepers reading this, I DO NOT BLAME AMERICA FIRST. I love my country. I BLAME THE BUSH ADMIN FIRST! Once we have reason restored to the White House, then we can *begin* to fix all the big problems created and otherwise festering under the pile of turds we appropriately call the Smirking Chimp.

[scdusek]

106. We have never miscalculated, erred, or misled you

Reminds me of the scene in Mars Attacks! when the aliens run around with ray guns shooting everyone saying "Don't run...we're your friends!"

[Gays_R_Family]

95. crafting? More like witchcraft ...

From here on out I shall preface every reference to the Bush administration with the qualifier "The insane."

[Dervill Crow]

112. No, witchcraft operates within natural laws of the universe.

Bushco doesn't operate within any laws, anywhere.

[Emillereid]

96. The best craftsman in the world can't turn this sow's ear into anything

other than what it is -- A PACK OF LIES!

[mermaid]

97. "...fighting could go on for "five, six, eight, 12 years."

Told ya Iraq was Arabic for "Vietnam!!"

[peace_prevails]

99. what we need here, Dick, is a poor little white girl who has actually

... been kidnapped by a SHARK here, a big black Muslim shark... that would fix things and give us time to work on crafting our message...

[ClintonTyree]

114. I'm sure Rove is working on it.....

they're grasping at straws now, they'll try anything. A big, black Muslim shark, huh? I'm trying to imagine that, I'll bet the Weekly World News could come up with something like that!

[UTdem]

102. craft this

They should craft a strategy for withdrawl. And a criminal case should be crafted against all of the thugs.

[Patchuli]

117. Welcome to DU, UTDem!

And a hearty welcome from another Jerry lover! :hi:

[kwolf68]

103. Hah

Bush's base is still hanging tough, but further erosion could seriously narrow his political options.

Bush's "base" would follow him to the gates of hell. Even if Shrub came out and wanted to nuke the world the PNAC cronies and relgious quacks would back him 100%.

[confludemocrat]

105. We gonna stay the course and fight the evildoers

for 6, 10, 12 yeers, whatever it takes. Cause freedoms on the march, the terraists are in the last throes even though some disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein and spread democracy in the middle east.

The Demos never could combat this, but may reap the benefits of having this house of lies collapse under the weight of its accumulated karma and bullshit.

[digitalhippie]

107. marketing

Nice to know Shrub wants to start a new marketing campaign to solve the problems he has created for us. Ignore reality-just do it! Insurgents do the DEW! IRAQ-bigger-better now with more ethnic cleansing power. Too many to think of. What the F- how did this idiot get to where he is? I am so bent about this war that it makes my head spin. One of our co workers has a husband in Iraq and her sisiter in law-who also works with us has her son over there. I try to not be negative about things around them and was stunned to find out they has not heard about DSM in an effort to block out the bad news. Both soldiers are in Baghdad running security missions for tanker supply trucks-about as dangerous as it gets. And now our fearlees leader wants to spruce up his message-fuck that pigfucker and all those who fight this battle from their ivory tower. Not one person in this administration know what it means to serve with honor. How did that Queensrych song go- We'll burn the Whithouse down!!! BUSHCO MUSTGO!!!!

[struggle4progress]

108. Actually, it goes like this: "Look deep into my eyes. You are gettink ..

.. sleepy, very sleepy ..."

[Orsino]

109. "New" message promoting same ol' same ol'.

New and improved.

[V Lee]

110. So they're going to lie to us some more ...

... in an effort to convince us that they haven't lied to us.

As the guy in the Guinness beer ad says, "BRILLIANT!"

It's like a mobius loop of deception, the further you go the closer you get to where you started.

I feel more like I do now than I ever have.


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[Nothing Without Hope]

115. "we have never miscalculated, erred, or misled you."

If the blivet** really says that, his credibility will drop even further. He's really not a very good liar at all. Those facial tics and smarmy expressions give him away every time.

Would demonstrate just how stupid he and his cronies really believe the public is. He got into hot water back when he couldn't think of any mistakes that he had made. This would be worse.

[Voltaire99]

119. The Democratic Party supports the war. Will it help renew war fever?

Will Dem party leaders seize this pivotal moment to raise yet more support to the occupation of Iraq?

Judging from Biden's laughable speech the other day ('we can win in Iraq, blah blah blah'), that may happen.

Neither the Democratic Party nor the GOP wants a citizenry aroused against imperial wars. Bad for business. Bad for our oligarchs.

Still, the public may have strayed too far from the propaganda message this time. While getting it to support an illegal war wasn't very hard, maintaining its support for a lost effort should prove much harder.

[Nothing Without Hope]

127. kick - let's hope Knight-Ridder is right about this guess

I think it would backfire.

...and :kick:

[Catboater]

128. Maybe tonight's tag line

will be "Major combat operations is over is over"

[jurassicpork]

129. An interesting NY Times article...

...on a letter written by Jefferson on his deathbed may put our role as the leader of democracy in perspective. My blog entry, at http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com/2005/06/wwjd-what-would-jefferson-do.html, also contains links to both the six-page article and Jefferson's letter.

[90-percent]

130. launch

Everybody knows you dont launch new product in August.

What about the 14 Iraq Military bases the PNAC wants to build? And what about stealing virtually all Iraq oil production for USA Oil Companies?

How can we possibly pull out and leave these imperitive goals abandoned? Can we really afford $300 billion, 2000 USA dead, 100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, 150 journalists dead and not even take the stuff we went there for?

Is this the most collosal fuck up in the last 500 years or what?

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