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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:23 AM
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Neb. Court Upholds Partial Birth Decision ( :) :)
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Abortion-Trials.html
July 8, 2005
Neb. Court Upholds Partial Birth Decision
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 12:09 p.m. ET

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) -- A federal appeals court on Friday upheld a ruling that the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act is unconstitutional.

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis agreed that the ban, while containing an exception to save the life of the mother, is unconstitutional because it makes no such exception for the health of the woman. The court upheld an earlier decision by U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf of Lincoln, who heard one of three cases brought over the issue last year.

Kopf's ruling followed decisions overturning the law by federal judges in New York and San Francisco. Those decisions also have been appealed and are expected by many legal experts to eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court.



..more at link....

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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:46 AM
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1. They're Writing Checks in Kansas!!!
Every time this asinine law gets overturned, it's worth millions in donations to the Republican Party. I would assume that's why they keep passing this law over and over -- knowing that it won't pass a "sniff test" from a federal judge.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:46 AM
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2. Federal Appeals COurt Upholds Partial Birth Abortion Ban(headline's wrong)
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 11:39 AM by Judi Lynn
Federal Appeals COurt Upholds Partial Birth Abortion Ban
created: 7/8/2005 11:12:02 AM
updated: 7/8/2005 11:12:48 AM


By KEVIN O'HANLON
Associated Press Writer

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) -- A federal appeals court on Friday upheld a ruling that the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act is unconstitutional.

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis agreed that the ban, while containing an exception to save the life of the mother, is unconstitutional because it makes no such exception for the health of the woman. The court upheld an earlier decision by U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf of Lincoln, who heard one of three cases brought over the issue last year.

Kopf's ruling followed decisions overturning the law by federal judges in New York and San Francisco. Those decisions also have been appealed and are expected by many legal experts to eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court.

"When `substantial medical authority' supports the medical necessity of a procedure in some instances, a health exception is constitutionally required," Judge Kermit Bye of the 8th Circuit wrote in the opinion issued Friday. "In effect, we believe when a lack of consensus exists in the medical community, the Constitution requires legislatures to err on the side of protecting women's health by including a health exception."
(snip/...)

http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=81598
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:20 PM
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7. cracked rib, hemorraghing, a "vaginal ceserean," a ceserean without
Anesthesia, infection caused by a piece of placenta left in the womb after a cesarean, black eyes

These are just a few of the things my friends from suffered when giving birth to their children. And these were births that occurred before the mother was 30 years old.


So, yeah, it is hard to say how each pregnancy will go and a woman shouldn't have to be left to wonder whether a medical tribunal will allow her a life saving procedure.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:52 PM
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8. How do you get black eyes from giving birth?
In any event, the law did have an exception for life-saving proceedures.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:24 PM
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9. Bursting capillaries around the eyes
from excessively hard pushing.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:49 AM
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3. Good. I am searching for good news today and this is good.
thank you
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:26 PM
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4. hurray and congratulations!
unconstitutional because it makes no such exception for the health of the woman

And that's exactly what they CAN'T agree to put into the law -- because they know that there is no constitutional way to deny access to abortion where a claim is made that it is necessary in the woman's health interests.

This is exactly what Canada's restrictive abortion legislation foundered on in 1988. Abortion was available where a hospital committee certified that "the continuation of the pregnancy of the female person would or would be likely to endanger her life or health".

There is no possible method of providing due process on that point. If a woman is denied an abortion (whatever the reason she may have wanted it) and suffers adverse health effects (or dies), her rights were violated by the decision.

There is simply no standard of proof that could be applied to a claim that a pregnancy endangers a woman's life or health. Quite apart from how vague "health" is, no one has a crystal ball and no one can ever know which woman will die or suffer disability or damage, of any kind, as a result of pregnancy or delivery.

I'll keep urging anyone committed to fighting these attempts to violate women's rights (or who just doesn't get it) to read the Supreme Court of Canada decision:
http://www.canlii.org/ca/cas/scc/1988/1988scc2.html
excerpts from the summary of one set of reasons; note that "the principles of fundamental justice" in our constitution include due process:

Any infringement of the right to life, liberty and security of the person must comport with the principles of fundamental justice. These principles are to be found in the basic tenets of our legal system. One of the basic tenets of our system of criminal justice is that when Parliament creates a defence to a criminal charge, the defence should not be illusory or so difficult to attain as to be practically illusory.

The procedure and restrictions stipulated in s. 251 for access to therapeutic abortions make the defence illusory resulting in a failure to comply with the principles of fundamental justice. ...

... The administrative system ... fails to provide an adequate standard for therapeutic abortion committees which must determine when a therapeutic abortion should, as a matter of law, be granted. The word "health" is vague and no adequate guidelines have been established for therapeutic abortion committees. It is typically impossible for women to know in advance what standard of health will be applied by any given committee.
And I urge my USAmerican neighbours to start framing the issue in terms of women's right to life and liberty, and not merely privacy. As Bertha Wilson J., the first and excellent woman appointed to our own SC, said:

The right to "liberty" contained in s. 7 guarantees to every individual a degree of personal autonomy over important decisions intimately affecting his or her private life. Liberty in a free and democratic society does not require the state to approve such decisions but it does require the state to respect them.

A woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy falls within this class of protected decisions. It is one that will have profound psychological, economic and social consequences for her. It is a decision that deeply reflects the way the woman thinks about herself and her relationship to others and to society at large. It is not just a medical decision; it is a profound social and ethical one as well.

Section 251 of the Criminal Code takes a personal and private decision away from the woman and gives it to a committee which bases its decision on "criteria entirely unrelated to own priorities and aspirations".

Section 251 also deprives a pregnant woman of her right to security of the person under s. 7 of the Charter. This right protects both the physical and psychological integrity of the individual. Section 251 is more deeply flawed than just subjecting women to considerable emotional stress and unnecessary physical risk. It asserts that the woman's capacity to reproduce is to be subject, not to her own control, but to that of the state. This is a direct interference with the woman's physical "person".

This violation of s. 7 does not accord with either procedural fairness or with the fundamental rights and freedoms laid down elsewhere in the Charter <Cdn constitution>.




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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:41 PM
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5. Hmmmm...
Will it make it to the SCOTUS just in time for the W's newly-appointed justice to shoot it down in flames?

:scared:
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:13 PM
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6. Good, I guess they wont be giving the electric chair to women who got
partial birth abortions to save their own lives. What a choice that would be. Death by giving birth or death by the electric chair. Give it to wing nuts they sure know how to narrow down women's choices.
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