London bombs likely simple and homemade

[JetCityLiberal]

Link: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apeurope_story.asp?category=1103&slug=Bombings%20Investigation


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"LONDON -- The bombs that destroyed three London Underground cars and a double-decker bus were each lighter than 10 pounds and could be carried in a backpack, police said Friday. An explosives expert said they were likely crude homemade devices set off with a simple timer."


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"Police said the four bombs that hit the London transportation network on Thursday weighed less than 10 pounds each, small enough to be carried in a backpack. They were left on the floor of the Underground trains and either a seat or the floor of the No. 30 bus that was ripped apart in the Bloomsbury neighborhood, said Assistant Police Commissioner Andy Hayman."


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""I suspect that this is a low-level, possibly locally recruited al-Qaida cell," he said.

Al-Qaida is now an ideology. It's moved beyond being a structural organization," he said. "All one has to do to form an al-Qaida cell is to get together with a group of like-minded individuals and say, 'We are going to start an al-Qaida cell.' ... If one is prepared to carry out an attack in the name of al-Qaida, one becomes an al-Qaida operative."

[underpants]

1. by insurgents all the way from Iraq

right? RIGHT?

[mr_hat]

2. You mean... They're slipping out as well as in!? Well dang.

[mbperrin]

3. Oh, well, then, as long as they're simple and homemade,

somehow I was thinking there was a problem, but obviously, all is well.

Now for a cookie! Wheee!

[kenny blankenship]

5. See? they can't even afford storebought bombs!

We have nothing to fear from such penurious terrorists, except maybe 30-50 people dead in the hearts of our cities from time to time.

Hey, you call that a BOMB? Did your mamma knit that bomb for you or did you get it out of a dumpster?

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. In other words

any body could have done this at home and they have no clue who or what is behind this attack.

No matter who it turns out to be, you can be sure it was financed by Bu$hCo.

[Atman]

6. Did anyone notice, this guy admits there is no Al Qaida

If AQ is just a mindset, just an ideology, then there is NEVER going to be an end to this. Ever. We have waged war on an idea. If everybody can be Al Q, then nobody is Al Q. You'll be Al Q when and if the government's purposes to brand you as such. Otherwise, it is just a bunch of made-up shit to scare us.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Not quite

what happened is that at Tora Bora we could have taken them apart

But we allowed them to leave, that was teh window of oportunity... after that, AQ became a hero to many young distressed men... and an ideology...

They do exist, but they have become, in the technical term, a flat organizatiion and the only way to fight them is to change the conditiions that lead to those same young men forming those cells, which bushco is not willing to do, since golstein is so useful

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Gee but yesterday somebody told me they are not a loose

network, right, RIGHT

[whistle]

8. The UK authorities are convinced that this is the work of a....

...."locally recruited al-Qaida cell" and that bombs were crude homemade devices set off by simple timers. Do other terrorist organizations operate in the UK? Why al-Qaida which immediately equates to Arab or Brown skinned persons.

Why could this not be the work of a neo-nazi white supremacist group, or skin heads or any of hundreds of white subversives that operate in London? Why al-Qaida? No evidence, only conjecture by police investigators to move the public perception toward a common enemy, Muslim terrorists.

As yet, I've not heard of any group taking credit for the bombings and no informants have come forward. So, all options should be open I would think.

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. Well, they have one suspect already

the guy who was looking in his bag. Perhaps he wasn't white, which would rule out white supremacist groups, and the IRA, for instance.

There has been the website claim for the supposed branch of al Qaeda. Informants would hardly be publicised at this stage. You'd have to wait for the trial.

If you're a terrorist, and you bomb somewhere, you have to claim responsibility for it, unless you are the group that everyone immediately thinks of. Otherwise no-one would know it was you, which rather defeats the object.

[fedsron2us]

16. To be fair to the 'Old Bill'

they have been very reticent about stating who carried out the attack or what precise method was used. They are well aware that the forensic investigation has just started. It is the politicians, 'terror experts' and the media who are joining up the dots for them. Over the years there have been a lot of bomb explosions in London and not all of them have been the work of international terrorist groups. Indeed, the nail bombings in Brixton, Brick Lane and the Admiral Benbow pub in 1999 were all carried out by one right wing nutter from the Home Counties.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/332961.stm

The timing of the attack to coincide with the G8 summit does suggest that it was the work of an organisation with a wider agenda than just the British political scene but that supposition could be wrong. Still you can not expect slack jawed and fat bottomed idiots in the press let the facts get in the way of their story.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. True, but the targets were a clue

A bomb in an area with a large Afro-Caribean population; then one with a high Asian poopulation. By that time, they were fairly convinced they were after a racist, and then he bombed a gay-friendly pub.

The targets here were average Londoners and, as you say, they may have an international agenda because of the timing.

[fedsron2us]

22. It may well be the 'usual suspects'

but I would like to see more evidence and less speculation. Statements attributing responsibility to 'Al Quaida' or Zarqawi mean nothing since they have become the universal bogeymen for all terror attacks in the western world. Whoever has carried out these atrocities has gone for the softest of targets. There has been no attempt to hit the political, military or economic establishment. In the past groups such as Black September or the IRA always mixed in some higher profile attacks in their campaigns. Now it seems the terror is aimed purely at commuters and tourists. These do not really rank as the major policy forming groups in the west.

[dbonds]

10. Do crudely made bombs always go off with that much power?

Look at that bus, half of it is missing. How much would something in the low explosive category weigh if it were to do that much damage?

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. trhey are telling us it was not cemtex

but then tell us that this came from Checkoslovakia, guess where Cemtex comes from?

[Monkie]

17. the bus damage is deceptive

the roof of these buses is held up by quite thin supports with most of the side being windows.
I dont know if you have ever seen photo's of a bus crash, the roof is often collapsed.

[allemand]

20. The police said that "high explosives" were used.

"Initially, the forensic investigation suggests that each device used had less than 10 pounds of high explosives," Hayman said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/08/bombings.investigation.ap/

"High explosives include things like TNT and plastic explosive."
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/19768893?source=Evening%20Standard

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. Well, I sure am glad we're fighting them over there and not over here

/sarcasm


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[Spinzonner]

13. So. al-Qaeda is franchising ?

We just have to be on the lookout for their promotional videos.

DO they have infomercials on Al Jazeera ?

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. They ahve been since soon afetr Tora Bora

Most experts talked about this after tora bora...

[daleo]

18. Would the OK City bombing be Al Qaida if McVeigh said so?

What if McVeigh was still alive and said, "oh, yeah, I have decided the bombing is in the name of Al Qaida". According to this logic, that's all it would take. Al Qaida is being turned into too nebulous a concept.

[DELUSIONAL]

21. The British people have had to deal with bombings and terrorism

for decades -- the IRA. I've had long discussion with my British friends about how they are still ANGRY with the Americans who were supporting the Irish terrorists with both money and arms. They feel that the "troubles" wouldn't have gone on for so long without the help of the Americans and the US Government did nothing to stop the idiot American citizens who supported violence.

As one friend said -- so now that the US has been attacked they are "experts" on terrorism. They also note that the US Government (bushie's gang) is ignoring the home grown terrorists -- rather focusing on a whole population & religion, region of the world that is easy to identify as "bad". It is far more frightening when the terrorists look and talk just like us -- my British friends tell me.

[leesa]

23. If it was done by Muslim terrorists, then there is absolutely nothing you

can do to stop this other than to stop raping their countries and murdering their families. If it was done by the Neocons, then the fight is much harder because they practically own the world.