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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:58 PM
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Israel Was Warned Ahead of First London Blast (& Britain was too)
This just in:

Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast

(IsraelNN.com) Army Radio quoting unconfirmed reliable sources reported a short time ago that Scotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred.

The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address an economic summit.

Israeli officials stress the advanced Scotland Yard warning does not in any way indicate Israel was the target in the series of apparent terror attacks.

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=85346

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I've never heard of the above source, but the Associated Press is reporting much the same thing:

British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.

Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said. ... Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

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The Israeli government is now denying the warnings:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/597425.html

However, Antiwar.com has just pointed out a couple of hours ago that the Israeli excuse, that Israel was warned just after the first attack, also doesn't make sense, since the official story says British authorities mistakenly thought the first couple of attacks were just technical breakdowns on the subway and it wasn't until the third bombing when they realized it was terrorism.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/comments.php?id=2205_0_1_0_C

The private intelligence service Stratfor goes even further, and says that both Israel and Britain had warnings about the attacks days in advance:

Contrary to original claims that Israel was warned “minutes before” the first attack, unconfirmed rumors in intelligence circles indicate that the Israeli government actually warned London of the attacks “a couple of days” previous. Israel has apparently given other warnings about possible attacks that turned out to be aborted operations. The British government did not want to disrupt the G-8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, or call off visits by foreign dignitaries to London, hoping this would be another false alarm.

The British government sat on this information for days and failed to respond. Though the Israeli government is playing along publicly, it may not stay quiet for long. This is sure to apply pressure on Blair very soon for his failure to deter this major terrorist attack.

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/stratfor-london.html

Amongst other things, this raises the possibility that Netanyahu and other attendees of the Israeli investment conference located across the street from the site of the first bombing may have been targets.

No matter how you slice it, it's hard to explain why Netanyahu was told not to leave his hotel room, even if he was only warned shortly after the bombings began, while the general public were given no such warnings.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:59 PM
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1. You're 36 hours too late with this bullshit.
It's been debunked several times already.

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Tiberius Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:03 PM
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3. exactly - *yawn*
It seems there's going to be a "the Jews had advance knowledge" component to every terrorist attack from now on.

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:05 PM
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4. Not to mention the obligatory statement that this was a Mossad
false flag operation.

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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:07 PM
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5. I must have missed that
Can you point me to the threads containing the debunking?

You may note that these stories are not actually blaming Israel for anything. Rather, they point at Britain for not acting on early warnings.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:16 PM
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9. Check the links in this post out:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:38 PM
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:48 PM
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13. The AP has changed their story. Check this one out (by the same author):
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/93-07072005-511518.html\

<snip>
Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on his way to a hotel near the scene of one of the London blasts Thursday when he received a call to stay put, the foreign minister said.

"After the first explosion, our finance minister received a request not to go anywhere," Finance Minister Silvan Shalom told Israel Army Radio.
<snip>
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 08:01 PM
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18. Yes, but...
If that is "all" there is to it, that is still very interesting and significant, and something that needs to be reported on and discussed. Why, after the first blast, would Netanyahu be informed, but not, say, London security personnel or even the general public? Remember, this is supposedly still when the first blast is thought to have been a routine mechanical failure. Only after the third bomb going off do the authorities realize these were terrorist attacks, at least according to the accounts of events we've heard so far.

And again, I emphasize, the blame here is on Britain. In the above story, Netanyahu is the recipient of the information and unable to do anything except stay put. The question lies with the actions of Britain and their failure to quickly warn and/or act on early warnings given.

I see nothing anti-Semetic about these stories, though sadly and inevitably, some people will spin them into saying things they don't actually say.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 08:05 PM
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20. We don't know that they didn't warn other agencies. If they thought
it was a power surge, they probably would still warn Netanyahu--just in case.

It's not like a former Likudnik PM isn' a prime terrorist target.

As far as the general public, I've been on the NYC subway when there have been electrical fires. No warnings until they know what's going on.
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:11 PM
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7. what's with the language?

does one have to read all reports before you can post - like go through 4 pages????

yikes
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:15 PM
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8. Sorry, but this has been debunked over and over and over and over.
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:48 PM
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12. Conspiracy Theories?
I have yet to see anyone on any board claim there was any conspiracy. Just that the UK intellingence services had things figured out pretty quick and let some people know.

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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:46 PM
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11. Sure, if you say so ????
Show us the debunking.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:49 PM
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14. How about the AP correcting its own story?
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 07:50 PM by geek tragedy
<snip>
Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on his way to a hotel near the scene of one of the London blasts Thursday when he received a call to stay put, the foreign minister said.

"After the first explosion, our finance minister received a request not to go anywhere," Finance Minister Silvan Shalom told Israel Army Radio.
<snip>

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/93-07072005-511518.html

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=netanyahu+teibel&scoring=d

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:00 PM
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2. A short time as in what...five minutes before the bombs went off?
I doubt if there was anything they could do in that short period of time.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:09 PM
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:52 PM
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15. The stories are just for the press in the Middle East, IMO
If they appear in the western media and/or blogs, they will appear in the ME media, where they will be believed.

No use debunking them in the west. They're already common "knowledge" in the ME, IMO.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:56 PM
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16. Yeah, along with the 4000 Jews who left the WTC early, yada yada yada.
But we don't have to sink to that level.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:59 PM
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17. I don't know what to think of this (the Israeli warning)
but I knew straight away that the "power surges" story was BS (i.e. the initial explanation, sort of the equivalent to "that's one terrible pilot" on 9/11) and that it was a terrorist strike.

I think DUers get an instinct for these kind of things and know that there is often more to a story than meets the eye.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 08:02 PM
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19. It could very well be that they thought they were power surges but decided
to play it safe. In fact, if there were explosions due to power surges, I'd bet they'd do the same thing.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 08:09 PM
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21. Locking
Apparently in the confusion after the blast, the original AP
story was not correct. It has since been corrected, and it
looks as if the Israeli embassy was not notified until after
the attacks began. Here is a link to the updated story:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_3
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