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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:27 PM
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(John Kerry releases) An Open Letter to President Bush ("Fire Karl Rove")
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 02:28 PM by truthpusher
http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/rove.php

An Open Letter to President Bush
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Mr. President, despite carefully worded denials, it is now apparent that your most senior advisor discussed the identity of an undercover CIA agent with a reporter. His clear aim was to discredit that agent’s husband who had dared to challenge the administration in the buildup to the war. You cannot remain silent. Fire Karl Rove.
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Dear President Bush,

Karl Rove, your most senior advisor, is embroiled in another controversy – this time for leaking the identity of a covert CIA agent. Despite carefully worded denials, it is now apparent that Karl Rove discussed the identity of an undercover CIA agent with a reporter. His clear aim was to discredit that agent’s husband who had dared to challenge the administration in the buildup to the war.
You have a choice to make: Spend the months ahead focused on protecting Karl Rove’s job security or spend them focused on protecting America’s national security. You cannot remain silent.

All I’m asking is that you remain true to your word. When the scandal first broke, your spokesman, Scott McClellan, said “If anyone in this Administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this Administration.” (9/29/03, White House press briefing). What you do now, in light of Karl Rove’s involvement will speak volumes.

Decency—and the interests of the American people--demand an end to Karl Rove’s days in the White House. You have the choice to either make good on your promise to hold accountable those who shared the identity of a secret soldier in the war on terror – or prove that promise hollow. I call on you to keep your promise to the American people and fire Karl Rove.



link: http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/rove.php
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rc lewis Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:31 PM
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1. I'm sure Bush will take him up on that advice
not
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:33 PM
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2. He won't fire anybody. These guys are like the mob. Til death do they
part. They're all too complicit in too many crimes for any of them to turn their back on another. The ones who weren't complicit, or who weren't complicit on purpose, have all resigned - to spend more time with their families. All the resignees probably know a little bit of something about a few things, but none know enough on their own to bring down the administration. Or, if they do, they've been threatened in some way to keep quiet. The people at the top, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Bush are all in it together until the end.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:38 PM
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4. "They're all too complicit in too many crimes"....
Thats exactly right. The inner circle would all go down into the bunker with each other. They have no choice, because as you said, they are all joint conspirators.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:33 PM
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3. Think Bush will fire Rove, the same way Karen Hughe's "retired"
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 02:35 PM by FlemingsGhost
The heat is off, and Rove still gets to work his magic behind the scenes.

Or is it all about too many two-ton elephant egoes in the room?
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:27 PM
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34. Fire him?! Karl IS bush...What is Kerry really getting out of
this letter writing?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:38 PM
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5. Let's hope W. hangs onto Rove as long as possible, after all, he's
still hoping to sell private accounts and waiting for a Shaivo turn-around. Rove will go down and the longer W. trumps politics with the loyality between theives, Rove will hang on.

Here's how I know he's going down:

Rove Goes Down In Plames

All data suggest the positive: one or more indictments for Rove and at least one more for another "high administration official," resulting to a loss of Republican credibility of being the party or morals and personal responsibility.

We know there were 6 calls because 6 contacts were made (Miller, Cooper, Novak among them). We know 3 contacts confirmed their stories with another "high administration official."

Therefore

1.) 1 man (named Rove by Cooper) made all 6 calls (which reduces the contention of "unknowingly" providing Plame's identity laughable). But he would have had to make sure that there were a few other "high administration officials" ready and willing to confirm his story, which strongly suggests coordination. Did Rove mastermind this portion before "unknowingly" releasing Plame's identity 6 times? Was this coordination "unknowing" as well? What does "knowing" mean? Repeated deliberate acts and coordinating with others for future support suggest a strong and clear intentions. It has knowledgeable design written all over it.

or,

2.) more than 1 person (Rove and at least one other) made the 6 calls. (The fact that one source released Cooper from his agreement of confidentiality but one source did not release Miller suggest at least 2 sources.) Rove would have more to coordinate! To establish guidelines like: No source should call another's contact, Pitch the information off hand, not as the main subject, Make the contact think the source is trying to do him or her a favor ("Don't go too far out on this Wilson thing, I don't want you burnt."), etc. AND Rove would have had to field a group of officials to support the sources stories.

I say Rove coordinated because it is obvious he did so since anyone in the administration in possession of the Plame-Wilson-CIA link would have gone straight to the world master of deceitful politics, and now we know Rove was at least one of the leakers.


So, in the first case we have at least 2 indictments for Rove (exposing and conspiring to expose) and (perhaps) 1 or more indictments for others (confirming and condoning the exposure while furthering it).

But in the second case we have at least 2 for Rove (same as above, but more evidence of conspiracy) and 1 or more clearcut indictments for others (both leakers and confirmers for exposure).

And then we haven't even begun to ask the question of how Rove got the information. (Doesn't leaking the information to him also constitute a crime?)
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:45 PM
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7. NIcely done! For your efforts, a limerick:
Theater of the Absurd

Karl Rove is a one-trick pony
The little man he protects: a phony
Deceive and distract,
is this show's only act
He'll look good in prison orange, won't he?
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:02 PM
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14. nicely done too....
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:41 PM
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6. Fire, as in "Firing Squad"? Nothing less should suffice.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:51 PM
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8. Rec'd & Signed & Gave More then My 2 Cents Worth.
Tired of feeling afraid of my own government. Thank to John Kerry I have a voice. Don't believe Sen. Kerry would ever place us in danger. We own Capitol Hill, Americans. It's time we support those that support us.

Just can't thank Senator Kerry and Dean enough. Kerry - my President, in my eyes always.
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1956 Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:43 PM
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10. here,here!
Well said-my thoughts exactly!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. Kudos to President Kerry!
Luv your ID pict, too!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:11 PM
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29. You Can not Imagine How Great it Feels To Rec Emails From Kerry
He's not forgotten us 1 bit and gives us a voice.
That's how important our emails are, folks.

Nex: Fire Rove if you haven't checked your email today.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:41 PM
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9. Very convenient to have W and Scotty to quote on
the seriousness of this. Makes all the right wing screeching seem pretty irrelevant.

Give the big slimebucket a cardboard box and make sure he doesn't steal any staplers.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:48 PM
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11. Bush Is Afeared That Loose-Lips Rove Will Tell Tales...
... that might embarrass the WH.
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:52 PM
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12. You are nothing but a puppet ruler, I can make you dance or take
away your power like this! Bwaaahhhhhhh!
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:52 PM
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13. Wanna bet Bush does not fire Rove?
Any amount! Rove is the White House Brain... :think:
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:08 PM
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15. You mean "WAS" I think.
:rofl:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:52 PM
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16. We cannot even imagine all the things Rove has on Bush and
Cheney. And I'm sure they also have a lot on Rove.
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silvershadow Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:37 PM
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25. Yep. No one in the administration at that level could be fired.
They are all in this together. A band of brothers. You got my back, I got yours.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:58 PM
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17. Why isn't congress and other senators doing the same? A traitor
in the WH must be removed immediately for the sake of our country! Bush is harboring traitors now.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:03 PM
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18. That's the kind of wording "they" would not hesitate to use.
Yet, although this is stronger than I expected considering the source, the guy (Bush) is set up for a rhetorical knockout and this is just sparring. This is just pussyfooting compared to what is called for when we're talking treason.


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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:55 PM
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19. Kerry steps out now?......hmmm.....Thats way late in my book.
But Dean came out right away!!

Who's the better leader?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:01 PM
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20. Pay attention to this....it's all part of the game plan to gain GOP....
...support for the impeachment of Herr Busch. Without that support, or rushing way too quickly to gain it, the destruction of the NeoCons will never take place.

This is not a question of who, or who is not, the better leader. It's all about building the case against the NeoCons in such a way that moderate Republicans will join the parade.

Additionally, who do you think has been part of the planning that has been going on behind the scenes? Kerry played pivotal roles in the investigation of Iran-Contra, BCCI, and other GOP scandals...he is doing the same thing now.
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:45 PM
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23. I think you're correct in your assessment
Kerry was a prosecutor before he got into running for office. And he's got to have a pretty good idea of how the Bush Machine is constructed, and the methodical approach to deconstructing this particular beast. It's like an explosives specialist defuses a bomb.
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silvershadow Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. I hope you are right.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:39 PM
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27. "Moderate" Repubs to join an impeachment movement w/JK? RU dreaming?
Experience w/both tells me don't count on them.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:49 PM
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32. think about it...it's not an impeachment campaign
It's a campaign designed to open the eyes of the American people to the corruption in the Republican and the neocon's agenda. And yes, they do stand a chance if people work for it and talk to more than the choir and if people quit bashing their own team players.

2006 is about to come up. Will you be ready to fight the good fight to get progressive elected by getting moderates to see the corruption from this current Republican party? We all need to fight together NOW!
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:27 PM
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35. Earlier poster referred to impeachment and w/this bunch, no go.
And I will be happy to work for or with someone untainted by bad judgement vis a vis the Iraq disaster, and neither JK nor Republicans in gvt of any stripe would fit in that category.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:50 PM
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36. yeh, I'm sorry I was sort of posting to everyone in the thread.
But I disagree with you on the jk nor Republicans comment. First, Jk based his decision on the facts which were SUPPOSE to be honest. However, he has fought to make changes.

He and many dems are DIFFERRENT from Republicans. Like one example, Rep. Schwartz is just pretending the DSM is just some wacky foreign countries memos and not relevent and refuses to take a stand until it "comes to vote..." (please!!!!!)

So I feel we need to not paint all with a broad brush and instead pick and chose which Republicans should be pounded daily for their decisions and which democrats are still not committing. Jk has at least committed. I can think of many dems who have not.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:42 PM
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22. Kerry put up a petition to fire Rove three weeks ago.
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 08:44 PM by blm
Kerry also pushed through a letter in the senate to get an official investigation into DSM. Nine Dem senators signed on.

This has been all over DU for a number of weeks, did you miss every thread?

btw...in case you idn't notice, Kerry and Dean have been coming out alot on the same page. Why try to play upmanship when they are working well TOGETHER?
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:57 PM
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31. When Bush's Draft Notices Arrive In Your Neighborhood......
....be sure to tell all the kids that you think John Kerry is a poor leader. Ought to perk them right up......
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:28 PM
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24. I've read this, signed the petition and e-mailed it to everyone I know!
I'm proud of John Kerry, the man who should be President!
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Mechatanketra Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:45 AM
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28. Wrong approach. (Not *bad*, just wrong.)
While it's nice to see officed Dems not outright ignoring the issue, they're continuing to make the same framing mistake that has killed them for at least 5 years: forwarding Bush the dignity of the office, the presumption that he is actually trying to sincerely and legitimately execute the responsibilities of the President.

The right way to handle this is not to demand that Rove resign, but to point out loudly and unequivocably that we shouldn't need to be demanding it -- that a real President, one who takes his role as chief executive charged with enforcing America's laws seriously, would already of his own accord be aggressively seeking the leak (instead of hiding it), and already have punished the perpetrator (instead of defending him).

That same approach applies to any number of scandals that ought to be plaguing the WH by now. Don't 'ask' or 'call on' the President to act like a respectable leader ought to -- just keep pointing out that left to his own devices, he chooses not to.

And always, always raise the spectre that the most parsimonious explanation for the WH's sluggishness in pursuing these illegalities is that they're complicit. In this case, for instance, every time you mention Rove's guilt, follow up with a reminder that it's not just a matter of Bush 'cleaning house', but that he might have done it with Bush's knowledge or even on Bush's orders. To kick up the Watergate cliche another notch: What laws has this President broken, and when did he break them?

It's not enough to make Republicans play defense. We need them to be playing defendants.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Oh yah!
:yourock:
:applause:
:woohoo:

Talk about complicity and how their inaction proves it. Excellent idea!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:16 PM
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33. Agree
Dems should also be asking Bush why he let so much time pass without investigating his own WH, where the crime originated. All he had to do was review his own staff's communications and he could have found the criminal. Instead, he chose to do nothing.
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