France 'to expel radical imams'

[Eugene]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4688111.stm

Last Updated: Friday, 15 July, 2005, 22:39 GMT 23:39 UK

France 'to expel radical imams'

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has vowed to deport any
Muslim cleric preaching violence.

Speaking after meeting his Spanish counterpart in Madrid, Mr Sarkozy
said he would seek the expulsion of imams in France "whose sermons
are radical".

Mr Sarkozy said France and Spain had agreed tougher joint measures
against Islamic militancy.

Two days ago, France reimposed border controls with its EU neighbours
following the London bombings.

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[bonito]

1. A better way would be to teach him compassion

that would end it altogether.

[Endangered Specie]

47. Unlikely,

Its far easier to start hating than it is to stop.

[Matariki]

51. how do you teach a fundamentalist compassion?

i think the local comparison would be 'christian' fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics.

[smirkymonkey]

2. I don't blame them.

Why should a country have to be a gracious host to those who are plotting to destroy them?

[barb162]

13. Yes, I agree.

The Moslem countries would never allow westerners or others to preach radical ideas against their countries or societies or religion in their own countries. Never.

[cheeseit]

39. Well said n/t

[Emendator]

44. Exactly

We don't have the right to invade Muslim countries the way we did Iraq, but there should be zero tolerance for Islamic intolerance in our own countries. One peep out of anyone and deport them back to their home countries, along with their family members, friends, and acquaintances.

If this is considered picking on Muslims, too bad. Why is it that we don't need to be perpetually reminded that Hinduism or Buddhism are religions of peace?

[Endangered Specie]

48. Buddism, maybe...

whether a religion is 'peaceful' or 'not' depends on many things, but, in discussing Hinduism its important to remember: Caste System.

Keep in mind Im not trying to broadly bash Hinduism, only the people who support a particulary oppressive and segratory system of dividing people.

[Emendator]

49. I agree

that the caste system is awful. But at least it is self contained exclusively within Hiduism.

[Placebo]

3. I just hope this power isn't abused.

It would be bad if they started expelling people for made up charges, for political reasons.

[Theduckno2]

19. I hope so too.

I was heartened to read there is a procedure (my guess a judicial hearing), which is more than I can say for the detainees at Gitmo. Advocating violence under the guise of religion, thats just wrong.

[Endangered Specie]

46. Agreed, but they needed to do something....

I suspect though that such a law stands less a chance of being abused in Europe then, say, here.

[James T. Kirk]

4. It's about freakin' time.

They should have done this way before now - right after they prevented the terrorists from crashing that plane into the Eiffel Tower.

[nine30]

10. Exactly

France and other West European nations have brought the Islamo-Fascist menace upon themselves, its about time they did something about it.

[WinkyDink]

43. Amen

And being stopped from blowing a dozen 747's out of the sky simultaneously.
Democracies need not be agents to their own destruction.
The Netherlands is learning that painful lesson.

[applegrove]

5. I''m so sorry that the best and brightest are being sent home because

they refuse to see & accept "non scapegoating" of others. I know there has been French bias. I'm sorry they expel people who refuse to say it like it is exactly. But then I live in a Western democracy and I know that we have opened our rule of law to accept you.

So I am sorry you went one way, while we with our humans rights went another way. Open your god dam hearts to women. And make scapegoating people outside your communities a crime. Then we'll talk. I'm not obtuse. I know That women who make muslim planned marriages make security. I'm okay with that. As an option. In fact I would promote it. If given free choice. But you've pissed on the floor in so many ways.

[varun]

6. Can we expel James Dobson

and Pat Robertson from USA?

[leftofcool]

7. And send fatass Falwell with them?

[barb162]

14. take Limbaugh with him

[burrowowl]

8. Where can we

expel them to? Liberia maybe?

[President Kerry]

41. Afghanistan sounds like a more fitting place..

Or make up a new country being the Christian equivalent of Saudi Arabia (which the US is becoming).

[The Stranger]

50. Like wow.

All of the sudden this thread has taken a fascinating turn.

[VegasWolf]

9. I agree, preach violence and you are out. nt

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[barb162]

15. Then it is time to get moles in the Moslem communities and find out

who the anti-west radicals are and ship them back

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[ConfuZed]

17. They do it to white power & biker gangs

and I sure as hell don't mind.

[barb162]

18. Who else is blowing up subway trains? Lutherans? Swedes?

Go after the people in the communities where the radicals are. What's your solution?

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[barb162]

23. One can have any number of radical ideas but acting out on them

is another story. Ted Kazinski(sic?)for example. Yes, I think we should send in moles to the Moslem community because there seems to be a much higher degree of violence coming from it than, oh, let's say, Hindu temples, the Lutherans, etc. Let me ask you something. How long did it take you to suspect it was Moslems who did the London bombing? It took me about one second...funny, I was right.

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[barb162]

28. Then let's get rid of the .5% or whatever % it is

There is no point having people here who want to kill us. None. Zero. Nada. Let them go back to their own countries instead of living with us "infidels." Who needs them? I need them here as much as I want a robber to come in my house right now and stick a gun in my face.

Comparing abortion clinic bombings with mass murder like 9-11, the Spain and London bombings, the Bali bombing...sorry, it doesn't hold water. Sending moles into mosques to check on (and deport) radicals inciting murder of innocent people causes me zilch grief, especially if it saves a few thousand lives of Americans, British, French citizens. We will save our society and freedom if we get rid of these extremist murderers. You never know, your life may be saved if we deport some radical.

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[barb162]

38. You keep using the phrases relating to soviet and nazi this or that

I think that is inaccurate. Both were totalitarian societies and we are a free society. Both would have immediately killed these types of people or sent them off to gulags or concentration camps. Sheer numbers of dead and injured by the Moslem terrorists makes the abortion clinic bombing comparisons inapplicable. Please don't tell me about lightning. We can get out of the way of a thunderstorm. I don't want to be on the next plane or train or bus that gets hits by Moslem extremists. We can't stop all travel.

[Seabiscuit]

29. How can France shred the U.S. constitution???

This thread is about a report about what a French minister said about his proposal that France should expel Mullahs who preach violence. That's their business, and doesn't have anything to do with the U.S. constitution.

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[Seabiscuit]

34. Actually, I haven't responded to a "series of posts" here - only to yours.

But yes, I would have to say we should not merely expel but prosecute anyone preaching violence in this country, muslim or christian or atheist. Preaching violence is not protected speech.

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[Seabiscuit]

36. OK. I just wanted to make the distinction with France clear.

[asianmale]

20. Do you really want that?

I can't believe any sane person would object to covert observation of a radical group bent on killing innocent children. Their idea of Islam is entirely completely warped and a danger to all peace loving Muslims, Jews, Christians, agnostics or atheists. How can anyone support the position that to observe them covertly is somehow Nazi-ish?

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[smirkymonkey]

40. If there is evidence that these other churches or organizations

are consipiring to committ acts of mass murder and advocate the destruction of the dominant culture then my answer would be "yes".

I see it as a criminal investigation, not religious persecution. France as a long history as a secular country and I am sure that if any other radical wing of a religious group were doing the same they would advocate a similar policy.

[Seabiscuit]

25. "just the muslim community" - no, let's go after the little old ladies in

tennis shoes, so we don't risk being accused of "profiling".

After all, everyone knows those little biddies flew those big birds into the twin towers!

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[Seabiscuit]

27. No one's talking about subjecting the entire community of muslims

to searches. If they were, yes, that would border on "racism". It would certainly be an unpermitted and illegal kind of "profiling" and discrimination.

The French minister is merely talking about expelling mullahs in France who preach radical violence. We should be doing the same, if we're not.

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[Seabiscuit]

33. Well, I agree, in general - except that the First Amendment doesn't need

amending to exclude speech which incites violence - the Supreme Court has already ruled that such speech is unprotected by the First Amendment.

I'd love to see the government go after the fundies - but it won't happen during this regime, which is of, by and for the fundies.

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[President Kerry]

42. there really isn't much restraint now. Those people are parasites

and need to be dealt with as such.

[upi402]

12. An arsonist would get evicted

from my happy home.
Religious radical fanatics out!

[Endangered Specie]

45. I hope the Dutch pass similiar legislation.

I suspect both countries rejected the EU constitution because they would not be able to control their own borders as much.

A country should have every right to not allow people in who seek to destroy said country.

[Moderator]

52. kick

[seriousstan]

53. France to go tough on ‘fundamentalist’ Imams

PARIS - France's tough-talking Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy promised "zero tolerance" Tuesday for Muslim leaders who encourage attacks such as the bombings in London on July 7 and said he would strip them of their French nationality.


"We have to be much stricter against those who indoctrinate young suicide bombers," he told Liberation newspaper.


"I am going to launch proceedings to deprive French imams who preach violence and fundamentalism of their nationality; systematically expel those who do not respect our values and are not French; and step up monitoring of places of worship where extremist activities have taken root.


"It is going to be zero tolerance," said Sarkozy, 50, who is also head of the ruling Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) party and a likely candidate in presidential elections in 2007.
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=14043

[BayCityProgressive]

54. Good

fundamentalists of any stripe who advocate violence should not be tolerated...

[Roland99]

55. Hear! Hear!

[Bo]

56. Finally... kick out the wackos

[roguevalley]

57. This is good news. It certainly will help moderate Muslims to breathe

more freely.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

58. maaan, here all you get is the

chimp tiptoing thru the tulips with saudi princes.

no fair :cry:

[applegrove]

59. They have every right to expel people who teach hatred. Be it

hatred & targeting of girls who want to go to school and not dress like orthodox muslims or whatever - and have their parents permission to do so.

If you teach hate - you will get sent back.

Canada did that to Zundel. We do it to war criminals. Same thing.