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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:39 PM
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(Bill) Clinton warns of global warming dangers (contrasts *'s position)
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http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/world/12169991.htm

Clinton warns of global warming dangers

Associated Press


JOHANNESBURG, South Africa - Former President Clinton sounded a warning Tuesday against the dangers of climate change as he met with young South Africans, and had lunch with anti-apartheid icon Nelson Mandela.

Clinton was mobbed at a youth event hosted by the Nelson Mandela Foundation in Johannesburg. Young volunteers and their suited sponsors crowded around Clinton to take photographs and asked for autographs.

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"If this continues for another couple of decades, part of South Africa will be under water, and we will lose 50 feet of Manhattan Island in New York."

Clinton's comments contrast with the position of his successor, President Bush, who has questioned the existence of global warming. Bush rejects U.S. participation in the Kyoto protocol negotiated by Clinton's administration, arguing its caps on greenhouse gas emissions would damage the U.S. economy.

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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:40 PM
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1. Global warming is a FACT
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:42 PM
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2. hmm.. I wonder..
would saying "Global warming is as real as evolution" make it seem like the people against it are fundies, or would it make it seem like global warming might not be real.

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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:45 PM
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4. doesn't really matter
They've got hurricanes, flooding from rising sea levels, heat waves, desertification, permafrost disruption, deglaciation, and depletion of fish populations to deal with.

The root cause in itself is one thing, and maybe there's a debate about that however illegitimate. The effects, on the other hand, need something more than rhetoric to deflect attention from.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:43 PM
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3. If only
"Clinton was mobbed at a youth event hosted by the Nelson Mandela Foundation in Johannesburg. Young volunteers and their suited sponsors crowded around Clinton to take photographs and asked for autographs."


*sigh* To again have a President who gets the good kind of mobbing :(

Bush needs to seal off entire towns because he fears the *ahem* other kind of mob. :hide:
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:19 PM
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6. Ding, ding! You hit the nail on the head! eom
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:53 PM
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5. Hmmm.......He's not hiding out with Bush Sr. anymore?
I tought he had joined their cabal.
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NuConvert Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:31 PM
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7. So, Why Didn't He Do Anything About It?
Flame away....I wanna hear the answers.....
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:36 PM
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8. I doubt he could have. Hostile congress and all.
I'm not sure if he tried, however.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:53 PM
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12. AP, 1/26/99: Clinton Asks for $4 Billion to Prevent Global Warming
In a blatant attempt to implement the unratified Kyoto Protocol the Clinton Administration has said it will ask the Congress for $4 billion next year to finance policies to address global warming. This is a sharp increase over last year’s funding. According to Gore, the move represents "significant new investments … to accelerate our aggressive, commonsense efforts to meet the challenge of global warming."

Many programs are included under the initiative such as a $200 million "clean air partnership fund" that would "generate millions more in state and private funds to help reduce greenhouse gases." The money would be used to retrofit buildings, purchase fuel-efficient automobiles and "promote public-private partnerships…including voluntary efforts by companies to improve energy efficiency." Much of the money would be tied to promises of state matching funds.

Other programs include: $1.4 billion for research and development of energy-efficient technologies and renewable energy programs, tax credits for purchase of energy-efficient homes and equipment, $122 million to develop cleaner burning, coal-fired power plants(Associated Press, January 26, 1999).

http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=357

A Clear Skies Smokescreen

To put the issue in context, it’s worth recalling that when President Clinton left office, the biggest electric power polluters—including Southern Company, American Electric Power and Cinergy—were running scared. Using authorities in the existing Clean Air Act, the Clinton administration had brought lawsuits aimed at compelling cleanup of aging, coal-burning power plants that had been illegally modified to keep running without modern pollution controls. The Clinton EPA had also set in motion a plan to require every power plant in the nation to clean up toxic mercury emissions by 2008.

No sooner had the Bush administration taken office than these and other big polluters (all big Bush campaign contributors) lined up outside Vice President Cheney’s office to request regulatory relief. Cheney, in turn, directed the EPA to reconsider its policy of enforcing the law. In the process, the Bush administration developed a “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach to air pollution—don’t ask the biggest polluters to clean up, and don’t tell the public the truth about what’s really happening. Enforcement trailed off, and Bush appointees crafted an illegal plan to permit power companies to continue spewing toxic mercury for decades.

But the big power companies remained concerned that a future administration could revive enforcement of the law. And so the “clear skies” plan was born, with support of the biggest and worst power polluters. From the outset, the real goal has been to cut breaks for the biggest polluters—to postpone cleanup deadlines into the mid- 2020s, to eliminate pesky provisions of current law and to take away states’ rights that would permit a state attorney general like New York’s Eliot Spitzer to enforce the law. The Bush plan also would, in effect, grant coal-burning power companies a shield against calls for them to limit carbon dioxide emissions linked to global warming.

The White House has consistently misrepresented the “clear skies” plan since it was first unveiled three years ago. It claimed that the Clean Air Act must be changed to make further progress against air pollution.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050307/a_clear_skies_smokescreen.php
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:41 PM
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9. What's he mean, "if"?
There's no stopping it! We've already done the damage - our children and grandchildren are going to have to live with the consequences.

All we can do is try to stop doing further harm.
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mike923 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:44 PM
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10. Under that line of thinking...
we are having to deal with the consequences of our fathers and grandfathers.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:48 PM
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11. CAFTA should help this problem Bill. Just like NAFTA.
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