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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 05:03 PM
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11 Retired Military Leaders Endorse McCain Amndmts (Reform Interrogation )
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=50767

(In it's entirety since it's a press release)

WASHINGTON, July 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Eleven retired military leaders "strongly support" proposed amendments by U.S. Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) "requiring all interrogations of detainees in Department of Defense (DOD) custody to conform to the U.S. Army's Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogation (FM 34-52), and prohibiting the use of torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment by any U.S. government agency." The New York Times reported today that McCain could attach the amendments to the 2006 DOD authorization bill, which the Senate will debate this week, and that the White House is threatening to veto the DOD authorization bill if the McCain amendments are included in it (see article at http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/politics/24cheney.html? ).

"It is now apparent that the abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and elsewhere took place in part because our men and women in uniform were given ambiguous instructions, which in some cases authorized treatment that went beyond what was allowed by the Army Field Manual," wrote the retired military leaders in a letter to Sen. McCain (see http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/pdf/mccain-072205.pdf ). "Administration officials confused matters further by declaring that U.S. personnel are not bound by longstanding prohibitions of cruel treatment when interrogating non-U.S. citizens on foreign soil… The United States should have one standard for interrogating enemy prisoners that is effective, lawful, and humane. Fortunately, America already has the gold standard in the Army Field Manual. Had the Manual been followed across the board, we would have been spared the pain of the prisoner abuse scandal."

The letter signers include former Congressman and Vietnam Ambassador Douglas "Pete" Peterson, a distinguished combat veteran of the Vietnam War who was incarcerated as a prisoner of war (POW) during that conflict for more than six years; Brigadier General James Cullen (Ret. USA), a retired Brigadier General in the United States Army Reserve Judge Advocate General's Corps who last served as the Chief Judge (IMA) of the U.S. Army Court of Criminal Appeals; Brigadier General David M. Brahms (Ret. USMC); who served as the Marine Corps' senior legal adviser from 1983 until 1988 and sits on the board of directors of the Judge Advocates Association; Rear Admiral John D. Hutson (Ret. USN), who served as the Navy's Judge Advocate General from 1997 to 2000 and has testified before Congress about abuse and torture at U.S. detention facilities; and Brigadier General David R. Irvine (Ret. USA), a retired Army Reserve strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner interrogation and military law for 18 years with the Sixth Army Intelligence School.

Brahms, Cullen and Hutson are among eight retired military leaders who wrote President Bush last September and called for an independent, 9/11-style commission to investigate U.S. detention and interrogation practices at U.S.-operated detention facilities (see letter at http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/media/2004_alerts/0907.htm ). Since then, numerous other opinion leaders, including former CIA official and former House Judiciary Committee member Bob Barr (R-Ga.), have called for such a commission. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told The New York Times last month that he had until now resisted the idea of Congressional action to review issues related to prisoner abuse, but the uproar related to the latest accusations of abuse at Guantanamo had convinced him that "we've crossed that point where that isn't working anymore." Sen. Graham added that the U.S. needed "to prove to the world that we are a rule-of-law nation" (see article at http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0F15F83A5F0C718EDDAF0894DD404482&incamp=archive:search.)

Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), John Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) and Jack Reed (D-R.I.), say they will offer an amendment to the DOD authorization bill that would establish such an independent 9/11 style commission (see news release at http://www.levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=241196 ).

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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 05:53 PM
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1. Freepers will hate that
Especially those courch commandos who have obviously never been a POW or even faced that possibility.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 06:00 PM
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2. What did Graham mean by "that isn't working anymore"? What isn't
working anymore? Sweeping it under the rug and resisting Congressional action? That's how I'm reading it.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told The New York Times last month that he had until now resisted the idea of Congressional action to review issues related to prisoner abuse, but the uproar related to the latest accusations of abuse at Guantanamo had convinced him that "we've crossed that point where that isn't working anymore."
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:21 PM
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10. "uproar" what up raw?
How would we know about an up raw? What's up? What's raw?

Are there pictures or somethin?
Has won of hour boyz dun sumpin bayad ahgin?
Dayum we have to be more cafull as we gitRdun.
Ahhh swayer - whuts this werld comin to. Well I'm sure George Bush will git that shit straight in a minute as soon as they stop botherin him
with that Blame nonsense.

Lucile ... Lucile ... get me anuther beer will ya hon. This heats about to keel me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day_f.shtml?world=2047
Weather in Baghdad - High 113F Low 87F
Temperature of a beer - 14 degrees hotter than piss warm if you can snag one.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 06:01 PM
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3. Ambiguous my ass. nt
Edited on Sun Jul-24-05 06:01 PM by bemildred
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 06:52 PM
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4. Chaney was at the capital last week twisting arms claiming
the amendment would make difficult for the president to conduct the "war on terror"
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 07:13 PM
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5. This is already the law, isn't it? What grandstanding nonsense!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:51 PM
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6. Must not be, cuz they've got Cheney's undies in a bundle.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:02 PM
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8. No its not the law
The Army Field Manual derives from presidential -- not congressional authority. This means that the Bush administration can (and has) issue executive orders that reverse it for certain people or in certain circumstances. These executive orders could be confidential.

I commend McCain on this -- he deserves it. This could be the first vetoed item by Bush -- and it may well be overridden.

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:06 PM
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9. That would be sweet! His first veto, overridden. What would his
Edited on Sun Jul-24-05 09:07 PM by 54anickel
adoring followers think?!

On edit: Thanks for the explanation.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:00 PM
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7. We have to get the Senate to CALL HIS BLUFF
Mr. "never vetoed anything yet" would veto a big DOD spending bill because we won't let them TORTURE PEOPLE??

(I'm no big fan of McCain, lately, but on this? GO! GO! GO!)

Every single Dem Senator should be on board this and every Republican who still considers him or herself an American!
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:28 PM
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11. Gee I can't bulleve Senator Warner isn't going to rectumfy this ah
ah ah embare ass meant.

That's it John put the fear of God into them dad gummit.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:30 PM
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12. The good
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:35 PM
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13. The bad
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:40 PM
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14. And the Ugly
Just some Frat Party pranks - uuuuhhh let's see the rest of the materials and then we'll talk a weeee bit more about it.




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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:46 PM
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15. It's about time.
These people should have been in Bush's face about this issue long ago.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 11:51 PM
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16. Let Bush veto this...
2006 will be ours.
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:44 AM
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17. Just what i was thinking.
the reason Cheney couldn't scare McCain into not submitting it is because the administration isn't where they were. They lost all credibility ESPECIALLY about this subject. If bush were to veto this, he would be putting at least 10-20 nails in his coffin...
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