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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:06 AM
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We dropped our guard after 9/11, says Blair
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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=24&art_id=qw1122380287880B226

We dropped our guard after 9/11, says Blair

London - British Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Tuesday that much of the world had dropped its guard after the initial shock of the September 11 attacks and urged that "not one inch" be given to terrorists.

With police intensifying their hunt for four would-be bombers who tried to attack London's transport system last week, Blair also sought agreement from political leaders on tougher anti-terrorism legislation.

On Tuesday, police said they might have found material for making explosives at a house connected to one of the suspects wanted in connection with attempts to set off bombs on three underground trains and a bus on July 21.

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He told his monthly news conference: "September 11 for me was a wake-up call. Do you know what I think? A lot of the world woke up for a short time and then turned over and went back to sleep again."

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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:13 AM
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1. and you dropped your pants as well
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 08:18 AM by GreenArrow
you effete, sanctimonious, lying prig.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:19 AM
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3. Nice use of the word "effete"!
Don't see that one every day! :thumbsup:
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:31 AM
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10. thanks,
if it applies to anyone, it's good old Tony.
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:45 PM
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21. Nice use of the word "prig"!
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 03:45 PM by darkism
I haven't heard that one since I read someone's eBay feedback.

He responded to the comment asking "what the hell is a prig?"
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:19 AM
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2. Undercover reporters were able to drive a van with a large box
with the word "BOMB" clearly written on it into Buckingham Palace a few weeks/months ago, and Tony suddenly thinks they may have a security problem?

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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:20 AM
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4. Yep
> September 11 attacks and urged that "not one inch" be given to terrorists.

You can be sure that not an inch will be given on your behalf, Mr. Blair.
I'm sorry you dropped your guard - we didn't.'

> September 11 for me was a wake-up call. Do you know what I think? A lot of the world woke up for a short time and then turned over and went back to sleep again

September 11th was a perfect opportunity for you to do your fascist little coup, and endanger us all. We are still awake, Mr. Blair. More than you like, I suppose.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:20 AM
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5. "...urged that "not one inch" be given to terrorists."
So that's why we invaded Iraq when the terrorists were in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia?

Sure, Tony, we won't give "one inch," especially if that one inch is nowhere near terrorists.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:27 AM
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6. Translation: The next country Blair & Bush invade for war profits
had better include more countries besides Australia & Poland.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:29 AM
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7. My sympathies to the British.
Being stuck with this lying narcissist.
But he's still not as irritating as Bush.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:29 AM
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8. He and "Emperor Bunnypants" got their stories coordinated. Blair sounds
word for word like Bush when he gives his emphatic speeches. Saw him on a C-Span broadcast this a.m. and he uses evil, terrorist, evil, our way of life, we won't back down, that's what they want...yadda, yadda, yadda. But, it's all Bush speak. Getting their stories together because they are both criminals and know times are getting tough now that the public is waking up.

I just can't understand this relationship they have, except that Blair was weak and the Chimpy used him. Now they have to stick together to keep the Big Lie going.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:36 AM
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11. The America I once knew is no longer since Bush came into office.
Blair, I once thought this guy was OK but since he sucked for the Bush story re Iraq....I have lost all respect for him.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:31 AM
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9. Nope. There are too many guards, running too many double-agents.
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 08:35 AM by leveymg
Tony knows damned well why 9/11 happened. The CIA, the Saudis, and the Israelis were running several loosely-coordinated penetration operations against al-Qaeda and each other. Other intelligence services were watching. The President was given the option of rolling up the UBL cells during the summer of 2001 - for his own reasons, Bush declined.

So, in order to keep the game going, US counter-terrorism accepted the risks of allowing the 19 to enter the country -- the regular "gumshoe" FBI were intentionally kept out of the loop, and the Bureau liaison at CTC was ordered not to put out alerts. Not knowing what the hell else to do, FBI HQ basically stalled all ongoing CT investigations. The WTC and Pentagon attacks proceeded unhindered.

The lessons were clear. All those double-agents, agents provocateur, consensual monitoring, and simulations created a huge opportunity for someone to put together a workable operational plan. You remove the opportunity by rounding up everyone who might be taken down. You watch the rest very closely. You lock out opposing intelligence services, and keep allies on a very short leash.

Tony Blair ignored these obvious lessons, and the London Bombings occurred as a result. The second wave of attacks - with the unexploded minitions - were something else, something perhaps more sinister.

The buildup to 7/7 involved several US double-agents. This is almost pathetically obvious. Just read between the lines below, you'll see exactly what happened.

Effort here to charge London suspect was blocked

By Hal Bernton and David Heath

Seattle Times staff reporters

The Justice Department blocked efforts by its prosecutors in Seattle in 2002 to bring criminal charges against Haroon Aswat, according to federal law-enforcement officials who were involved in the case.

British authorities suspect Aswat of taking part in the July 7 London bombings, which killed 56 and prompted an intense worldwide manhunt for him.

But long before he surfaced as a suspect there, federal prosecutors in Seattle wanted to seek a grand-jury indictment for his involvement in a failed attempt to set up a terrorist-training camp in Bly, Ore., in late 1999. In early 2000, Aswat lived for a couple of months in central Seattle at the Dar-us-Salaam mosque.

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"It was really frustrating," said a former Justice Department official involved in the case. "Guys like that, you just want to sweep them up off the street."

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At the time, however, federal prosecutors chose not to indict Aswat for reasons that are not clear. Asked why Aswat wasn't indicted, a federal official in Seattle replied, "That's a great question."

more
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20023 ...


Pakistani American Aiding London Probe
Man in U.S. Custody Has Ties to Al Qaeda

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, July 25, 2005; Page A14

It is safe to assume that most people would not react to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in quite the same way as Mohammed Junaid Babar.

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Thus began the strange jihadist odyssey of Babar, 30, a naturalized U.S. citizen and Yankees fan who said he gave up a $70,000-a-year job as a computer programmer to join al Qaeda operatives in plotting attacks against U.S. soldiers and targets in Britain.

Now in U.S. custody after pleading guilty to terrorism charges last year, Babar has proved invaluable to U.S. and British investigators probing this month's attacks on the London transit system, numerous officials said. He has identified at least one of the suicide bombers, Mohammed Sidique Khan, through photographs and has provided other details that may be helpful in unraveling the plot, according to law enforcement and intelligence sources.

The revelation that Babar is linked to the July 7 London attacks, which killed at least 56 including the four suicide bombers, is only the latest connection to emerge between the grandson of Pakistani immigrants and al Qaeda.

In addition to his connection to the London bombers, Babar has admitted in court proceedings to supplying bomb-making materials to a Pakistani cell in the United Kingdom that had plotted to blow up restaurants, pubs and train stations there. (When the cell was broken up in 2004, British authorities discovered more than 1,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, the same material used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.) Furthermore, Babar said in federal court in Manhattan during a plea hearing last summer that he spent much of 2003 and early 2004 in the Waziristan province of Pakistan, supplying money and materials -- including night-vision goggles, sleeping bags and other items -- to "a high-ranking al Qaeda official" for use in the fight against U.S. and Northern Alliance forces across the border in Afghanistan. He also admitted to setting up a jihad training camp in the region, a court transcript shows.

Babar also is believed to have links to Issa al-Hindi, the operative involved in surveillance of financial buildings in the United States before the Sept. 11 attacks.

"This guy's connection to different cells and plots just seems to be expanding," said one U.S. law enforcement official, who declined to be identified because parts of the case are classified. "He is the fish that is getting bigger."

Although his arrest and prosecution last year in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York went largely unnoticed, U.S. counterterrorism and law enforcement officials say they have long recognized Babar's importance as a link to major al Qaeda players.

In an interview last fall, Frances Fragos Townsend, now the White House national security adviser, pointed to the Babar case as an example of a major prosecution. Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey also said in an interview during the same period that Babar's case provided a lesson on the importance of greater surveillance powers for the government, citing evidence that he checked e-mail at a library despite having access in his home.

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U.S. counterterrorism officials said Babar first hit their radar screen in late 2001, after the incendiary comments he made to ITN were broadcast. But it was not until April 2004, after Babar had returned to New York and was put under surveillance by the FBI, that he was arrested.

Babar has told authorities that he recognized Khan, one of the London bombers, as a person he met in Pakistan and that he accompanied him to a jihad camp in the area, sources said.

Although Babar could face as many as 70 years in prison, he is likely to receive a lesser sentence for cooperating with U.S. authorities, and a sentencing date has not been scheduled, officials said.

Not a word in The Post today about the other guy in Seattle who the US arrested and Ashcroft let go. Haroon Aswat and a confederate ended up as a central figure in the London bombing. ((http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

The Seattle Time story, updated version here: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20023 ...

These revelations show how deeply entwined US intelligence operatives have become in the London cells. It also shows that MI-5 and DHS have a long way to go before they learn how to prevent international terrorist attacks. Obviously, allowing double-agents to run around the world isn't the way to do things. If I were a British MP, I would demand answers of Mr. Blair. If I were Mr. Blair, I might recall the Ambassador from Washington.




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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:43 AM
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12. Bull, Tony.
How could most of the world drop their guard with the constant "terror alerts" and other dire fear-mongering going on?

If the world went back to sleep, why do I have to take my shoes off before I can get on an airplane?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:56 AM
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13. 2 of the bombers were legal immigrants for 10+ yrs
LONDON - Prime Minister Tony Blair said Tuesday that Britain would not "give one inch" to terrorists on his government's policy on Iraq and the Middle East, /while police said two of the suspects in last week's failed bombings were legal immigrants from Somalia and Eritrea who had lived in the country for more than a decadehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050726/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bombings;_bombd
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 09:35 AM
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14. So, 9-11 Was NOT CLINTON's Fault? There Really was No National Will
before 9-11 either. Aha.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 09:37 AM
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15. No, "we" started fighting them over there so "we" wouldn't have to
fight them in our own lands.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 09:39 AM
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16. The West definitely wants to get hit..

"London - British Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Tuesday that much of the world had dropped its guard after the initial shock of the September 11 attacks and urged that "not one inch" be given to terrorists."

Come on. You've seen 'em at work in Afghanistan, 9/11, WTC 1993, alledgedly in Oklahoma City, what more do you need Blair Boy?



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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 09:55 AM
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17. he is just trying to
keep people from realizing the bombs went off during the G-8. Are you telling me tony, that you had dropped the ball after 9-11 on security for G-8 summit too?
Bullfucking shit.
The truth is they had the most security looking for bombs etc ever and FAILED. Saying that about 9-11 is fog to keep us from looking at a failed security now-- not 9-11.
tib
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ConfuZed Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:41 PM
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18. Blair Won't 'Give One Inch' to Terrorists
:rofl:


LONDON - Prime Minister
Tony Blair vowed Tuesday not to "give one inch" on British policies in
Iraq or the Middle East, and said his government is determined to toughen laws against terrorists and their supporters in the wake of attacks on London's transit system.

Police investigating last week's failed bombings seized a car in north London and said they were examining suspicious material from an apartment linked to two suspects — an Eritrean-born Briton and a Somali who both have lived in Britain since childhood.

Opposition politicians backed the government on fighting terrorism, but warned that civil liberties could be eroded by one of the anti-terrorism powers sought by police: the right to hold suspects for three months without charge.

In his monthly news conference, Blair lashed out at critics who say Britain's participation in the U.S.-led war in Iraq has made the country more of a target. Polls suggest a majority of Britons share that view, overwhelmingly so among Muslim residents.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050726/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bombings;_ylt=AorFuFZTBmUIwCZxhaiSJfGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:41 PM
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19. Shouldn't that be "Centimeter" Instead of "Inch"
eom
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:45 PM
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22. Even with Enzyte, he only had three to start with
He has already given 2.5 to the US president, so he doesn't even have an inch to give. Maybe a centimeter.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:41 PM
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20. easy for him to say.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:50 PM
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23. Blair lashed out at critics
who say Britain's participation in the U.S.-led war in Iraq has made the country more of a target.

that's rich, considering most the population of Britian are his critics.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 05:00 PM
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27. he's given a lot more to Bush
so not he's lying again.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:55 PM
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24. He tells bigger lies than *
We spent ourselves into a $500,000,000,000 hole. How the fuck could our guard be down?!?
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ConfuZed Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:04 PM
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25. Blair backs tougher detention rules in fight against terror
LONDON (AFX) - Prime Minister Tony Blair said he supported giving police expanded powers of detention under proposed changes to anti-terrorist laws in the wake of the London bombings.

'I think it's perfectly reasonable for us in circumstances of great difficulty to have a greater detention in order that there can be the interrogation of people who are suspected of doing this,' he said during his monthly press conference.

'People rightly expect us to take the right measures to increase their security.'

Blair had earlier held a summit with opposition party leaders to discuss possible changes to anti-terror laws including police demands to hold suspects without charge for up to three months.


http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2005/07/26/afx2157206.html

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:59 PM
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26. We did drop our guard.
And the fascists and their poodles took advantage of us.
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