Jail For Teacher In Sex Case (Tennessee, CBSnews)

[Endangered Specie]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/12/earlyshow/living/main773196.shtml


(CBS/AP) A former physical education teacher charged with having sex with a 13-year-old student went to jail for nine months Thursday in a plea deal that prohibits her from getting any financial benefit from the case.

Pamela Rogers Turner, 28, entered a no contest plea that allowed her to avoid a scheduled November trial on multiple charges of sexual battery and statutory rape.

She became tongue-tied trying to enter her plea after hearing the prosecutor read details of the sexual encounters with the boy that began last November and went on for three months, including one that occurred in the school gym, the Southern Standard newspaper reported.

(snip)

Before resigning, Turner taught physical education and coached girls basketball two years at Centertown Elementary, a school teaching children from ages 5 through 14, about 65 miles southeast of Nashville.

She was a former college homecoming queen and basketball player who once appeared as a bikini-clad promoter for a professional wrestling match. The sheriff once described her as "absolutely gorgeous."


also:
(http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165523,00.html)

[wakeme2008]

1. Grrrrrr if that have been a male screwing a 13 yo girl

he would have done 10 years. :grr:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

5. ...and nobody shakes their head and says

"but he's so handsome!"

[GoddessOfGuinness]

46. Or "Oh right...poor little girl"

"got laid by a hunk."

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

50. or this...

"If I were a thirteen year old girl, I'd love to have sex with a man older enough to be my father."

Rape is rape is rape.

[girl gone mad]

7. And rightly so. n/t

[wakeme2008]

19. And why should a male get more time that a female

:grr:

[TahitiNut]

26. If it was a gay male teacher and an equivalent 13-year-old ...

... he'd be lucky to make it into prison alive, let alone out of prison.

[H5N1]

53. That really brings our bigoted tunnel vision into the light

And what if the boy had been gay, as well.
And what if HIS dream had been to boink a
male instructor!
(What if they were still in love after the fact, writing
love letters and meeting secretly.)

She should have served the same prison sentence as man/willing girl
or man/willing boy.

[TahitiNut]

57. I think it portrays a mix of societal neuroses.

First and foremost are our neurotic attitudes regarding sex, eroticism, and sexual intercourse. We take it as axiomatic that a "sex crime" is the worst of all possible crime. In the widespread public discussions regarding the inhumane treatment of prisoners, the kinds of abuses involving sex are seen as the most taboo. The reaction toward even those kinds of abuse that are not physically injurious but involve some kind of sexual element is more intense than even the abuses that result in death.

Societal attitudes seem to actually be determinative in establish hing 'harm' - as demonstrated by the differentiation in gender. It's undeniable, I believe, that any psychological/emotional 'harm' done to a 13-year-old male is, generally, far less than the perceived psychological/emotional 'harm' done to a 13-year-old femal. The (so-called) 'objective' criteria are not, in my view, sufficient in explaining the degree to which the difference is seen - nor are ascriptions of gender bias. I believe a 'victim' internalizes the societal attitudes. If the 'victim's immediate society views him/her as a victim, then that regard is manifest in the teen-ager's emotional health. (I.e., it becomes a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy.) I have little doubt that the vast majority of the 13-year-old boy's male peers envy him -- not to mention one helluva lot of the male adults. Furthermore, I'd be willing to bet that many, if not most, of his female peers regard him with a somewhat elevated esteem in the lek of teen-aged mating/dating.

We make a big deal about "the age of consent" and tend to disregard the fact that many human societies throughout history have regarded the de facto "age of consent" as equivalent to the age of sexual maturity - generally around 12-14 years of age. (I need only note that a Bar Mitzvah is still celebrated by "today, I become a man.") I don't have any intention to get into a pissing contest regarding the 'appropriate' age of consent. I will merely note that I'm inclined to believe that the perceived 'harm' to a 'victim' (by both the 'victim' and his/her society) is strongly correlated to that society's 'age of consent' attitudes. As with all correlations, it's not clear what the causal relationship is.


Please note that this is an attempt to "get my head around" the very visceral attitudes regarding such issues. I have some serious questions regarding the degree to which we, as a society, exacerbate the harms done to such 'victims' by our very attitudes themselves - attitudes which, I think demonstrably, have the power to ameliorate those harms in conferring 'hero' status instead of 'victim' status. I do NOT ignore the degree to which such status may preclude some manner of treatment for harms which might be overladen, nor am I taking an advocacy position -- so, please, to anyone who'd be seeking a whipping boy for their unsublimated aversions: look elsewhere.

[H5N1]

88. Interesting points.

[ProudDad]

99. But incorrect!

[ProudDad]

100. You are very, very wrong here

This is a dangerous myth that "boys aren't harmed as much as girls".

[girl gone mad]

30. Because of the risk of pregnancy...

not to mention the higher risk of STDs transmitted male to female than vice versa. Pregnancy carries a much greater risk of death for girls under 16. The older men almost never stick around to help raise these babies.

Also, to many young girls sex and love are indistinguishable. Boys seem less likely to me to be emotionally traumatized by this type of thing. Just look at some of the responses in this thread and the response of the student she was having sex with - bragging about his conquest.

It shouldn't happen either way, and this woman deserves jail time and some serious psychological help. However, I do think that older men having sex with young teenagers causes more dire consequences both to the young girls and to society.

[michaelwb]

47. Sheer sexism

Okay contrast this with the recent thread where a 21/22 special needs student, man, slept with and married a 13/14 girl.

There were folks screaming pediphilia, rape, "he raped a child" - reverse the sexes here. Here it is worse because she is considerably older and in a position of authority over him (a teacher).

Barely a murmur from those folks. Not only is it exactly the same thing - it is worse!

And don't give me any BS about he (boy in this story) wanted it. We don't accept the consent argument for a female under the age of consent. By definition he was no more able to give informed consent that the young girl was. So the concept of informed consent is equal barring some folks sexism.

Look at this story just a couple of weeks ago (didn't make it onto DU that I can see.)
Mom Pleads Guilty to Hosting Sex Parties>

A woman who told police she wanted to be a "cool mom" pleaded guilty to sexual assault charges Monday for having sex with high school boys at parties where authorities said she supplied drugs and alcohol.

Silvia Johnson, 40, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of sexual assault and nine felony counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. As part of a plea agreement, prosecutors dropped two counts of distribution of methamphetamine.
....
Johnson, who is free on bail, held parties for the boys almost weekly between October 2003 and October 2004, authorities said. She was accused of providing drugs and alcohol to eight boys and having sex with five of them.

Can you imagine the outrage here if a 40 year man, gave drugs to and had sex with teenage girls at a series of parties? Imagine the screams here if it was teenage boys?

[goddess40]

48. I'll let you know what our local pervert gets

We have a case in the courts right now where a 40 year old teacher, who was also coaching the girls basketball team, just plead guilty to having sex with a 15 year old girl on his team. He's married and has a 15 year old daughter at the same school.

Edit: They both did the same crime and should get the same time - 10 months should have been 10 years.

[A Simple Game]

2. You can't send that woman to jail,

She's too pretty!! They'll eat her alive.

[Endangered Specie]

3. Where were these teachers when I was 13!

:(

[gmoney]

8. On second thought...

Delete...

[Endangered Specie]

10. oh, but its true!, dont delete

:evilgrin:

[A Simple Game]

12. I had one in seventh or eighth grade.

But I don't think anybody got lucky. I know I didn't. Well not in real life.

[NNN0LHI]

32. Not in real life, eh? Heh, heh n/t

[A Simple Game]

36. Get your mind out of the gutter, it doesn't become you. n/t

[Elidor]

24. She's not going to prison

She's going to serve her time in the county lock-up.

[A Simple Game]

34. That's what we call a jail in Northern New York.

I was actually trying to make fun of her. A week or two ago it was posted that her lawyer said she shouldn't be sentenced to jail because she was too good looking.

[jayctravis]

76. Holy crap she's hot.

It's a fundamental difference between the sexes. Males want sex at a much earlier age than most females, and the potential physical repercussions for them are almost nil (barring STD's) so coercion almost becomes a moot point.

There were some male teachers in my junior high that the girls were all googly over, but I seriously doubt their crushes would have gone so far as doing the deed.

[TahitiNut]

4. I doubt there're many 13-year-old boys who'd be able to resist.

I know I'd sure not be one. Hell, when I was 13 (in 8th grade) I doubt I was able to stop thinking about sex for more than about 45 seconds. It was tough enough to do any work at the blackboard as it was. With someone looking like her around, it would've been impossible.

[DIKB]

6. Aside from the obvious

young horny male comments (who wouldn't have at 13?). I can't help but wonder what's her dysfunction that she would have that kind of relationship with a CHILD ?!?! She needs more than prison, she needs help. I sincerely hope there's some form of rehabilitation, cause krishna knows, she needs it.

[TahitiNut]

11. Here's a photo of her with her (now estrranged) husband.

[Endangered Specie]

14. Bet it sucks to be him...

got beaten by a 13 year old.

[TahitiNut]

18. The kid is described as "not your usual 13-year-old" ...

... and as "probably shaving when he was 12." :shrug:

[Lars39]

20. My BIL was like that, but he still had the mind of a 13 yo.

[Boomer]

31. Presumably it wasn't his mind that attracted her

Guess women can be utter pigs, too.

[yasmina27]

9. I'm a middle school teacher

and I find this totally disgusting. OK, she looks fairly young - new teacher perhaps, but a 13 year old? Come on!! In my 20 years of teaching I have never felt any glimmer of desire for the 13 y.o.'s (or any other age for that matter.

[Lars39]

13. I see somebody that's played off her looks for quite some time.

Chest out, eyes really wide open, lips pouting.
And she got only 9 months by making a deal that she wouldn't profit from her experience? :wtf:

[AngryAmish]

15. She is hot

There should be a criminal beauty pageant. Like that model in Chicago who killed two people recently.

[Endangered Specie]

16. Could be a new fetish? Felonphilia?

[Jacobin]

22. Actually, I've heard women call it "tadpoling"

Hey. Its the new thing!

[wakeme2008]

25. OK What is tadpoling ?

:)

[Jacobin]

40. Older women boinking very young guys

:hi:

[blue sky at night]

17. its the forbidden fruit thing............

she knows it is wrong and all, but temptation presented itself. Look out!!!!!

[Jacobin]

21. 6 months in the clink for tadpoling a 13 year old

Wonder what would have happened if the genders were switched?

Any guesses?

[Endangered Specie]

23. 9 months, actually.

[H5N1]

51. Please show us some examples

[yorkiemommie1]

27. the prosecuting atty said a

jury w/ males on it would be influenced by someone " young, attractive and blonde." hmmmph.

[youngdem]

44. A very long sentence...

[Zenlitened]

28. A few months in jail for raping a child? Unbelievable. :(

:grr:

[Conservativesux]

89. I wonder if she will be required to register as a sex offender?

[against all enemies]

29. I hate it when a women won't look twice at me, and has a 13 yo

boyfriend. She is a very pretty women, but pretty screwed up too.

[NNN0LHI]

33. God that woman is easy on the eyes

Bet this kid thought he died and went to heaven.

Don

[MrSlayer]

35. Where the hell were these hot teachers when I was in school?

I mean damn. What a lucky kid. Sending her to jail for this is silly. I wish someone would have "harmed" me like that.

[domlaw]

37. I mean damn. What a lucky kid?

Lucky he was raped by a child molestor? ROTFLMAO. Come talk to my wife (we have a six year old son) and rinse repeat what you just posted. (I'll duck)

[Joseph Christ]

38. Well...

Well..when your son is 13 show him a picture of her and ask him what he thinks. There is a huge difference between 6 and 13...especially in this day and age.

But the thing, of course, is that its still a crime. 9 months though? Talk about reverse sexism.

[domlaw]

39. No Kidding

When I was thirteen I was like any other boy. Then again I've seen thirteen year old girls with posters of various Rock Stars / Pop Stars on their walls. Did I expect them to understand adult sexual relations? Did I expect them to understand the ramifications of any fantasies / daydreams coming true?

It's a horrible double standard, and it boils me when people act like the boy / girl thing is different.

[MrSlayer]

41. I would not have considered myself "raped" or "violated" had it been me.

There is a huge difference between 6 and 13 so your statement is ridiculous. Spare me on this, what happened there is every teenaged boy's dream. As much as people don't want to hear it there is a big difference between boys and girls at that age when it comes to sex and who it's with. The only thing I would be upset about is that it came to an end. That's reality.

[domlaw]

42. Yeah O.K. thats you

But my kid? I'm glad you speak for yourself and like to rekindle your own childhood fantasies. However, reality is, she is a Pedophile. I'm not willing to defend that.

[TahitiNut]

58. "I'm not willing to defend that."

Of course not. :eyes:

[Finder]

80. she is not a pedophile...

nor should her actions be defendable. Also, she was living in the home of this kid and his mother, I believe. The abuse of authority figure issue doesn not apply here.

[William Bloode]

45. I know what your saying.

I was gifted the pleasure of an older woman when i was a young lad of 14. I in no way felt violated, infact i was one happy mutha. I still have fond memories of the expierience. Thanks for the help dad!

I hope i can do the same favor for my son when he's ready.

[H5N1]

52. What if she had totally dominated you...

made you feel like a little pea-shooter.
And you spent the rest of your life
'taking it out' on every woman you slept with.

Nothing is as pure and simple as you claim.

[Castilleja]

54. I think you are right about this

Alot (not all) of the comments in this thread would seem to support your opinion. I think people are way too quick too dismiss or not even consider biological reasons when it comes to this kind of thing. I don't believe it is always sexism, but rather men being perceived differently than a woman in this type of situation.

My husband had a first experience with an older woman when he was 15, and was thrilled apparently. But, this teacher must have issues, because I can't imagine what she would see in a 13 year old.

[TroubleMan]

56. I agree 100%

nt.

[wclubin]

75. Then how do you explain that the young girls having sex with

the men are loving it? They have agreed to do it, and are loving every minute of it, just like the boys that are having sex with the women.

[ElectroPrincess]

92. Yes, they love IT! It being all the attention and gifts ...

I've met many men who laud "dirty old women" who seduced them at a young age. My sample is not scientific but, to a man, these guys are hypersexual. Well, not the kind of husband I would trust with Edna, my homely neighbor, much less a hot 13 y.o. girl.

Damn, I burned my training bra in the 60s for all this horny, "hot for teacher" sexism?!? :puke:

IMO it's demented for an *adult* to ALLOW their genitals to encourage them seduce *a child.* Whether its man or woman as the perpetrater, more often than not, the victim has emotional and sexual scars that they must carry throughout their lives.

Damn, some people here are too kinky (and IMO = DEMENTED) for me. :wtf:

[Endangered Specie]

86. Agreed.

Sorry, but the reason why we distinguish between boys and girls is they ARE different!

To be frank, the only way the kid would be damaged by that is if he was gay.


I feel sorry for the husband of this girl... talk about an ego bust.

[wclubin]

87. Disagree. Little boys and little girls are the same when it comes

to having sex with adults. They both enjoy it to the same degree.

[Endangered Specie]

98. Theres a difference

girls invest heavily in the experience and its psychologically damaging.
boys however, want to screw anything that moves at age 13+, and its more psychologically damaging if they dont IMO

[VegasWolf]

43. Damn SHE is hot!!! nt

[Ezlivin]

49. Who'll play her in the new tele-movie?

C'mon, you know they're already casting for this one.

[TroubleMan]

55. Where were these teachers when I was 13?? Damn!!!

I'm sorry for the comment, but that's every male 13 year old's dream.

Now the teacher is wrong, no doubt about it. Teachers and students shouldn't being having sex no matter what age either is.

However, this is definitely not rape. Rape requires that it not be consensual or that the person is too young to not know better. Most 13 year old boys know what sex is and have a strong hunger for it.

I first had sex when I was 13 (with a 14 year old girl), and it definitely wasn't rape.

This experience should be nothing but positive for the boy, and the teacher shouldn't go to jail. She should be fired from her job, but the jail time is bullshit.

[TahitiNut]

59. Huh?

"Teachers and students shouldn't being having sex no matter what age either is."

Really? Not in college? Not in adult education? Does that mean no person should ever teach their spouse anything? not even how to drive?

Perhaps it's our model of education as an authoritarian culture that requires some correction. Just a thought. :shrug:

[TroubleMan]

60. After the class is over, sure.

But college teachers shouldn't have sex with their students. Most likely having an affair with a teacher will affect grades. After the student is no longer in their class...go for it.

However, there should be a boundary between student and teachers...at least sexually. The teachers grade and instruction to students should be objective, and it's hard to be objective with someone you're having sex with.

Also....LOL...I'm like the exact opposite of authoritarian. I just don't think most people can give a truly objective and fair grade to somebody they're sleeping with. After they're no longer in the class, have all the sex you want.

[LisaL]

72. Not in college. Not in adult education. Because one person is in

position of authority, the rules would prohibit that person from having sex with students. Ever heard of sexual harassment? Do you think colleges would want that?

[TahitiNut]

So, it's OK as long as the teacher isn't that particular student's teacher

Is that right? :evilgrin:

By the way, I don't think it's particularly civil to engage in rhetorical challenges to my awareness of "sexual harrassment". It'd be nice if we could avoid such personal rhetoric, OK?

[TahitiNut]

61. Perhaps a lesser punishment is appropriate???

How much should the punishment match the 'harm'?? When we contemplate 'harm,' how much weight should the direct 'harm' (i.e. to the 'victim') have versus the indirect 'harm' (i.e. to 'society')??

If, in fact, a 13-year-old male is 'harmed' to a lesser extent than a 13-year-old female, for whatever reasons, should not the punishment also be lesser?

How much of the punishment should be driven by the violation of a public trust? How much of the punishment should be driven by parental interests and violation of those interests/perquisites?

I don't think we can call ourselves 'just' if such considerations aren't manifest in the ways we assess appropriate punishment.

"Relativism"?? I suppose so. :shrug:

[wclubin]

63. But there is no greater harm done when the victim is a young girl..

As long as the girl does not get pregnant that is. As long as the girl does not get pregnant, the girl will enjoy the sex as much as the boy does and hence the crimes are equal. To assume that the boy will enjoy the sex more than the girl would is sexist.

[TahitiNut]

65. As long as your assertions are regarded as axiomatic ...

... then, of course, there's no room for discussion. The anatomical fact of the matter is, however, that the participation of a 13-year-old male in a sexual relationship is far more dependent on an absence of perceived 'harm' than the participation of a 13-year-old female in a sexual relationship. When such considerations are preempted by totally and completely disregarding 'consent' then we're also preempting a consideration of 'harm' except axiomatically defining it as equal. (That's a little like legislating the value of pi as 3.)

I tend to challenge authority ... even cultural authority.

[wclubin]

67. Right, and I am saying that anyone who perceives that a girl

victim has more harm done to her than a male victim is sexist and does not afford men equal protection under the law, and their decisions on the case should not be valid.

[TahitiNut]

68. Read my post #57.

[wclubin]

71. Any society should not have penalties that are based on the

gender of the victim regardless of all the psychology involved. And in actuality, I suspect that the dynamic at work here is more of a prejudice against male perpetrators, than it is the perceived harm done to the victim. I would venture to guess that when both the perpetrator and the victim are females, that the perpetrator still gets a low sentence.The prosecuter should have brought out cases of a similar nature in which the victim was a girl and the perpetrator was a male, and shown that the penalty in each case was severe. End of story! That is what I would have done. Any other penalty would have been less protection under the law for boys, and a sexual bias in the application of our laws.

I can see this and I am not even in law hahahaha.

[TahitiNut]

78. But the "psychology involved" has a lot to do with assessment of 'harm'

... or do you not think emotional trauma and psychological 'harm' to be relevant? (It seems pretty fundamental to our sense of 'justice' in this area, actually.)

[wclubin]

79. I really don't care what is the cause of the inequality, what concerns me

is that there is an inequality. Are you saying that this inequality should exist?

[TahitiNut]

84. I am suggesting that the difference is REAL.

Again, I question the degree to which the 'harm' to the 'victim' has it's genesis in society's regard for their behavior. Whether or not we might agree that the society is unjust or 'wrong' in regarding the 'harm' to either be nonexistent or atrocious, it's not really arguable that the 'victim' will internalize the emotional/psychological perception of 'harm' that his/her immediate cultural context defines for him/her. That internalization is, in effect, some part of the 'harm.'

We all, to some degree, become "symptom bearers" for the neuroses and dysfunctions of our cultures. Overweight people generally have their self-esteem damaged (possibly "further") by the ways in which their culture deals with them. The same can be said for rape victims, smokers, people with disfigurements, and all manner of characteristics and personal histories, whether voluntary or not and whether 'right' or not.

Folks repeatedly focus on the teacher's gender. I'm focusing on the 13-year-old's gender and the differing cultural regard for his participation in that relationship. Whether or not the difference is due to 'sexism' (and I don't argue that it's not), the question remains whether the 'harm' that comes therefrom is at all determinative in the severity of the punishment.

After all, isn't "an eye for an eye" a prohibition on assessing a punishment out of proportion to the harm?


But now I'm merely repeating myself, since the responses don't seem to address the questions. Oh well. :shrug:

[wclubin]

85. Sure I am addressing the questions, and have been, and now

allow me to repeat myself. Who cares about all the crap you are spewing. The decisions being made in these cases are sexist and should be stopped whether or not there is some societal or psychological justification. The clear sexist nature of these decisions should trump anything else. How is that not addressing your supposed questions?

[The Stranger]

64. Criminal punishment cannot be lesser or greater based on gender.

Come on.

[TahitiNut]

66. What does that have to do with what I asked?

:eyes:

[The Stranger]

69. It makes your question moot.

[TahitiNut]

77. Nonsense.

It has nothing to do with the question. It's interesting that anyone would care to respond to the questions and considerations I posed by attempting to invalidate the questions themselves. I see a similarity in Creationists attempting to make 'moot' any question of the mechanisms of evolution. It's always far easier to merely adopt 'articles of faith' (axioms) that merely circumvent investigation and examination rather than engage in the effort to look deeper.

That's not to say, of course, that I don't hold synergistic personal beliefs and values -- just that I tend to challenge especially those beliefs I hold myself. :shrug:

[Gyre]

62. A clitorectomy would be in order.

Taking advantage of a position of trust with children. 9 months is a gift. She is hot though! 10:1 her lawyer's nailing her.

Gyre

[Conservativesux]

83. Depo-provera shots becuase some guard will be boiking her in jail!

[LisaL]

70. She couldn't stop pouting, even when she was in court.

LOL.

[entanglement]

73. Downright disgusting

So because she's pretty and female, she's going to get away with just 9 months in prison?

[wclubin]

74. yep, and this phenomena happens all the time many times over.

I have followed many such cases over the years. There was one famous case in which the woman was in her thirties, the boy was twelve and her student. She had sex with him for I think at least a year, and she received NO JAIL TIME. Her only penalty was that she was ordered to STAY AWAY FROM THE BOY.

[Conservativesux]

81. Blonde, female and gorgeous=Lesser or no charges....

Happens all the time. Justice is blind ?????

[wclubin]

82. No, justice is highly sexist against males.

[BadGimp]

90. JAIL??? Are you kididin me?

They should give her a medal.

She's hot and most ANY 13yr old guy would PRAY for a shot at that A$&.

Sorry...but honesty is called for here.

That woman is SMOKIN HOT!! She looks like she's giving the judge a com hither look too .. wow

Hate me if you must but I am only tellin it like it is.

I'd hit it! Oh Yeah.

[wclubin]

93. How do you feel about good looking men having sex with 13 yo girls?

[truthisfreedom]

91. somebody ask the kid how he feels about it.

i mean really, come on now. i was 13 once, and my neighbor at the time was a flight attendant, and i would have died and gone to heaven if she'd given me the time of day.

[RovianNightmare]

94. Woof

Men are dogs, and we might as well admit it. That's the difference. It's still a crime for a good reason, AND the kid probably thought he died and went to heaven. Both can be true.

But seriously, while she's conventionally "hot," I think you could pu blond hair and lipstick on a serving tray and guys would be going "oooh she's hot."

Katrina Van Den Heuvel. Now THAT'S Hot. What was hot at 13 is boring. Now that I'm 40 I get it.

lol

[RovianNightmare]

95. Woof

Men are dogs, and we might as well admit it. That's the difference. It's still a crime for a good reason, AND the kid probably thought he died and went to heaven. Both can be true.

But seriously, while she's conventionally "hot," I think you could put blond hair and lipstick on a serving tray and guys would be going "oooh she's a hot serving tray."

Katrina Van Den Heuvel. Now THAT'S Hot. What was hot at 13 is boring. Now that I'm 40 I get it.

lol

[Placebo]

96. If she had been a man...

I doubt the law would have been so kind to her.

[Giant Robot]

97. Here's a question...

If this HAD been a male accused of having sex with a teenage girl, would we even be discussing it to this extent???

HMMMMMMM

[michaelwb]

101. Yup

If this HAD been a male accused of having sex with a teenage girl, would we even be discussing it to this extent???

Yup. And I wonder where all these folks claiming sex isn't harmful to young boys were when adult men are arrested for sex with teenage boys?

With two sets of double standards (based on sex and sexual orientation) The sexism and homophobia are almost palable in these threads.