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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:45 PM
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Iraq Leaders Agree on Draft Constitution

http://www.normantranscript.com/feeds/apcontent/apstories/apstorysection/D8C0D0DO0.xml.txt/resources_apstoryview

The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq —

Iraqi leaders have agreed on a draft constitution to be submitted to parliament by Monday's deadline except for two issues that the legislative body must decide, two Shiite officials said.

Nasar al-Rubaie, a member of the committee drafting the charter, said the document would be handed over to the 275-member National Assembly late Monday for a decision on the two unresolved issues, which he did not specify.



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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:49 PM
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1. Whew! Another arbitrary deadline met.
Er, I mean, Freedom Is On The March. Rah! Rah! Rah!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:50 PM
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2. one problem, they couldn't come to agreement on some major issues
such as Islam and Federalism...
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:54 PM
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5. Could be the only thing they agreed about....
was to say they agreed about something
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:18 PM
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10. You are correct - here's a link to those facts
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still no agreement on at least two fundamental issues, federal autonomy and the role of Islam in the state.

(Just little things mind ya . . . )

Another possibility, he said, was for the National Assembly to vote, and, if agreed by three quarters of the house, amend the TAL to allow more time to draft the new constitution.

"That is a very like possibility," he said, adding that if that route were taken an extension of two weeks to one month would likely be sought.

Yonadem Kanna, a Christian member of the drafting team, also said an extension was most probable.
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I expect Crawford's phone line be busy right now . . . .

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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:03 PM
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15. What did they agree on ?...shape of the table?
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 05:04 PM by klyon
These are very big issues that have been holding everything up.
Will we allow an Islamic theocracy? Is that what we are there for?
We are lowering expectations. George will probably walk away like he has done in in Afghanistan. To free up troops for other uses.

KL

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:43 PM
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18. If Islam ends up having a "role in the state,"
then Bush will have another "miserable failure" to carve on his bedpost.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:54 PM
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3. Any coincidence on the date?
I really didn't have any doubts they would make the deadline. That might screw things up in Karl's plan.

Now, watch for this milestone and the anniversary of VJ Day to be conflated.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:54 PM
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4. I heard on TV that one of the things they couldn't agree on had something
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 01:08 PM by glarius
to do with whether men should be allowed to beat their wives!....I heard it on a Canadian TV station and don't know the specifics of this, but that's the gist of it!
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:56 PM
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6. Sounds like the Sunni's
got sold down the river. No mention of compromise on federalism.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:03 PM
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7. "two unspecified issues go unresolved." WTF? Spin-fucking city
How is this agreement on a draft Constitution when there are unresolved issues?


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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:08 PM
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8. Modern Iraqi history is being driven by Bush's desparate spin machine....
and these 11:59 "agreements" done without any substance and on the cheap just to meet some Bush administration staged deadline is a joke. So, to reach an "agreement" they postponed making a decision on two issues that were the reason they couldn't reach an agreement. What the fuck?

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:08 PM
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9. Details, details
To make a proper judgment on this matter we need the deatils. What are the two unresolved issues? Did they decide to pass this without approval from the Sunnis?

If that last answer is Yes, we may have some big, big problems.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:28 PM
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11. So they agreed to disagree on their constitution...
just like Americans!

:sarcasm: Now that's progress :sarcasm:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:35 PM
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12. Except, the only two things that make any difference
These guys are as good as rove on spinning shit into gold.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:42 PM
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13. If this really does come to fruition. Remember the USA wrote it
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1753758,00.html

"The Americans say they don't intervene, but they have intervened deep," Mahmoud Othman, a Kurdish member of the constitution committee, told the paper.

"They gave us a detailed proposal, almost a full version of a constitution. They try to compromise the different opinions of all the political blocs," Othman said.

" The US officials are more interested in the Iraqi constitution than the Iraqis themselves, because they promised their people that it will be done August 15."

According to the paper, US ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad is now taking a central role in bringing rival Iraqi political groups together over the draft, offering written compromises on key issues in dispute, like regional autonomy and the role of Islam in Iraqi law.

.... Khalilzad installed the US version of Democracy in Afghanistan as well.
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SeattleVet Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:55 PM
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14. Since they are having so much trouble coming up with a Constitution
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 02:55 PM by SeattleVet
under the deadlines that were imposed, can we let them have ours?

We certainly aren't using it at this time.

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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:20 PM
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16. Have just watched the news in England
It's agreed by both stations NO AGREEMENT WAS MADE. The parliament (??) has asked for another week. Can't believe it's being spun this way. Totally false.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:26 PM
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17. Here as well.....link to Herald Tribune:
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