Gay groups denounce 'Justice Sunday' (Zell,Delay & Dobson in tv gay bash)

[truthpusher]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/po/20050816/co_po/gaygroupsdenouncejusticesunday

Gay groups denounce 'Justice Sunday'
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PlanetOut Network
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1 hour, 12 minutes ago
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SUMMARY: A televised rally organized by Christian conservatives on Sunday drew fire from two national gay organizations.

A televised rally organized by Christian conservatives on Sunday drew fire from two national gay organizations because it featured many veiled attacks on LGBT Americans and their push for equal rights.

several speakers used gays as a "political punching bag," according to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).

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The telecast, called "Justice Sunday," featured House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, former Sen. Zell Miller (news, bio, voting record) and James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, among other speakers. The main organizer for the event, held in Nashville, Tenn., was the Family Research Council.

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Former Sen. Miller, for example, said the courts were "ready to discard like an outdated hula hoop the sacred institution of marriage." William Donohue, president of the Catholic League, claimed the courts were making up rights, including the right to privacy and "the idea that two guys can get married."

"Disguising prejudice as justice is un-American," said HRC President Joe Solmonese on Monday. "The extremism on display last night dangerously ignored the Court's more than 200-year-old responsibility of independence. In rallying against this liberty, the speakers last night rallied against one of our democracy's greatest qualities."

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complete story: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/po/20050816/co_po/gaygroupsdenouncejusticesunday

[stepnw1f]

1. Time to Fight Back People

These weirdos need to be taken very serious. They will take silence as submission.

PS - a lot of straight progressives are on your side!

[BattyDem]

2. WTF?

"William Donohue, president of the Catholic League, claimed the courts were making up rights, including the right to privacy .."

They're against the right to privacy?? Don't these assholes realize that the government will be intruding on their private lives as well? :eyes:

Hey Donohue ... religion is a personal, private choice and the government does not currently get involved in those decisions. The fundy Christians HATE Catholics, so if the right to privacy goes, so does YOUR right to practice Catholicism! :evilgrin:

[CatholicEdHead]

3. Donahue does not speak for the vast majority of Catholics

http://www.catholicsforfaithfulcitizenship.org/PR081605.htm

"Justice Sunday II not only claimed an inflated Super Bowl like viewer ship, but among the inflated egos claiming to speak on behalf of people of faith, Catholics had no credible spokesperson. Instead the few Catholics who may have watched or listened had to endure the continued ramblings of William Donohue of the Catholic League. Donohue’s very short speech was nothing short of a tirade filled with uncorroborated accusations and threats. He started out by bashing Irish Catholics and ending by bragging about how he perceives himself as a threat to the left, as if threatening others is somehow compatible with Christianity.

As expected, there was no mention of any values that Catholics and our Bishops hold dear, such as economic matters, the war, gun violence, the Bush administrations advocacy for the super rich while ignoring the least among us. There was nothing really substantive on abortion other than repeating the same stereotype – that the right is moral and the left is not. There was no mention of rights for immigrants, minorities or those in need. The 40 million Americans without healthcare were overlooked as well. There was no mention of Jesus’ admonition to “feed the poor�, “clothe the naked� and “give shelter to the homeless� once they are born to impoverished families.

Rather Donohue chose to show his true extremist colors by referring to Atheist – Marxist Sidney Hook, who he claims had a great influence on him. Is this is something to be proud of as a self proclaimed Catholic spokesperson? Donohue went on to make the ludicrous suggestion that the Constitution be amended to require a unanimous decision by the Supreme Court to overturn any law passed by Congress. We question the authority Donohue has in speaking to maters of the Constitution as if he is a spokesperson for the Catholic Church. By subscribing to Donohue’s suggestion, are we to deconstruct the Constitution and the Supreme Court? Our founders structured the three branches of Government to provide balance. To prevent the balance of power would create the theocracy that Donohue and others at Justice Sunday II envision. They would rather restructure our great system of Government to allow ideologues who want to enforce their opinion and not decide based on the rule of law, precedent and the constitution.

Catholics for Faithful Citizenship encourage Donohue to seek the wise counsel of his Bishop as this would be a good teaching moment for his Bishop. We challenge Mr. Donohue to re-read the Gospels, especially Mark and Luke. As Catholics we are not supposed to wear our faith on our sleeves, we are not supposed to pray loudly and sit in front of the Church, and we should not mention the splinter in our opponent’s eye when we have a log in ours. Donohue seems to forget the words of Jesus. “Do not judge, lest ye be judged�. Leave doctrine and the interpretation of it to the Pope and the College of Cardinals. If Donohue is so sure he knows the correct way for the church then let him hang his articles of truth on the door of the Church like Martin Luther and leave the running of the Government to the three branches and the people. "

[njdemocrat106]

13. Donahue is a right-wing shill

I remember he released a press notice when Benedict was elected, where he basically gloated that liberals will hate Benedict. I would think a leader of a "civil right group" (as the Catholic League calls itself) would do his or her best to be non-partisan. Donahue just has a political agenda to fill.

[BattyDem]

14. He's a nasty SOB, isn't he?

He's so full of hate and contempt for others. Yet he claims to be a man of God. :eyes:

[davidinalameda]

4. they're against the right to privacy as it applies

to a woman's right to choose

[BattyDem]

5. There's either a right to privacy or there isn't

Too bad for them, but they don't get to pick and choose which people have that right. They've got some nerve! :eyes:

[davidinalameda]

15. nerve is all they have

because they certainly don't have the truth on their side

[BattyDem]

16. LOL ... good point!

:toast:

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[BattyDem]

7. But it's perfectly fine to shove Christianity down people's throats?

It's perfectly fine to demand that your religion dictates how the rest of the country lives and what rights they get to have? It's perfectly fine to discriminate against a group of people because your religion doesn't agree with their way of life?

If gay people had the same rights as straight people, they wouldn't have to "shove it in your face" because there would be no need to. They would simply live their lives like everyone else. If, throughout history, we followed your logic, women would not be allowed to vote and black people would still be legally considered 3/5 of a person! :eyes:

The reason our country is stuck in this hate-filled, neocon hell is because the Dems have rolled over and played dead for far to long. The RW declared a culture war on anyone and everyone who disagrees with them. If we continue to back down, we will continue to lose ground ... and we don't have a lot of ground left to lose. Enough is enough. :grr:

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[AndyTiedye]

11. That Argument is Disingenuous and You Know It

Gay people DO have the same righs as straight people. They can marry anyone of the opposite sex they want.

But they don't have the right to marry their lovers, the way heterosexual
people do.

What bothers most people is the fact they once a gay person comes out, they are proclaiming the importance of sex in their life

No more so than a heterosexual person does when they express affection
for somebody of the opposite sex, or get engaged, or married.

You want us to force all the gay people back into the closet,
and give up any hope of equal rights, so that they do not offend
the bigots. Should we send the black people to the back of the bus too?

[BattyDem]

12. This statement is very naive:

"Gay people DO have the same rights as straight people. They can marry anyone of the opposite sex they want."

Gay people aren't interested in marrying people of the opposite sex, so having that "right" is no right at all. It's like saying the ban on interracial marriage was fine because black people were free to marry other black people or that segregation was fine because black people were free to associate with other black people. The government has no business deciding the race, nationality, religion or the GENDER of the person you marry! Marriage is a legal contract ... period. There may be religious ceremonies, but they mean nothing without the state-issued license. This isn't just about the "act" of getting married but all the rights and protections that go with it - hospital visitation, inheritance rights, property rights, health benefits, death benefits, tax breaks, adoption rights and the right to have their children legally protected, the right not to testify against their spouse in court, etc. If two gay people can enter into a business contract, then why can't they enter into a civil marriage contract? What's the difference?


"What bothers most people is the fact they once a gay person comes out, they are proclaiming the importance of sex in their life...

No, they are proclaiming who they are. It's funny ... straight people talk about their relationships all the time. Many talk about their sex lives or at least imply that they had a "hot date" the night before when talking to other people. They talk about who they "hooked up" with. They have pictures of their spouses on their desk at work. They talk about the vacation they took with their boyfriend/girlfriend or the nice restaurant they had dinner at the night before. They hold hands in public. They kiss their lover in public ... some even feel the need to French-kiss their lover in public. Are people sick of (straight) sex being so out there and its effects on their kids? If so, should we ban all public displays of affection or just the gay ones? Should all people have to stop talking about their boyfriend/girlfriend/lover/spouse or is it just the gay people who should keep their mouths shut? How would you feel if you could never, EVER talk about the person you love?


"When most Americans think about couples they think that Joe Doe is a dentist and coaches little league Jessica Doe as an attorney who tutors special ed kids in her spare time and their oldest son practices basketball in the street, middle dd dances and youngest dd threw his soccer ball in the flower bed next door. When they think of Joe and James Doe the first think that comes to mind is the sex."


Ah ... wait a minute. You said that when a gay person come out, "they are proclaiming the importance of sex in their life" - but now you're saying that it's the straight people who are proclaiming the importance of sex in a gay person's life. It's not the gay person's problem if the straight person automatically thinks about sex! It's not the gay person's problem if the straight person is uncomfortable ... just like it's not the black person's problem if the white person is uncomfortable and it's not the Muslim's problem if the Christian is uncomfortable.

You're trying to solve a "problem" by hiding it and/or pretending it doesn't exist. You want to put gay people back in the closet to get votes. Well ... the Dems will also get votes by taking rights away from women and minorities. The Dems will also get votes by embracing the merger of church (Christianity) and state. The Dems will also get votes by abandoning the right to choose and other privacy issues. The Dems will also get votes (and plenty of money) by abandoning labor and siding with corporations, just like the GOP. Where does it end? And who decides what "rights" and "issues" are unimportant enough to abandon? Who decides what group of people is unimportant enough to abandon? :shrug:

My nephew and his girlfriend have been together for almost three years. They got married last year. They both work full-time jobs. They pay taxes. They bought a house. They have full legal protection.

My niece and her girlfriend have been together for over three years. They moved in together about two years ago. They both work full-time jobs. They pay taxes. They bought a house. They have no legal protection.

Now you tell me ... other than gender, what is the difference between those two couples? Why should one live together with legal protection and the other live together without legal protection?

[LeftyMom]

8. It doesn't seem progressive to me

to declare that one's own concerns shoule be adressed ahead of those of an opresssed minority or to say that one should obfuscate one's platform to win elections (put simply, to LIE.)

For that matter, people have the right to love who they want to love and to express that love in public. If that's too "in your face" for you, stop staring and turn your head.

[Roland99]

9. And fuck the radical “Christian” clerics and their followers, too

http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/08/15/and-fuck-the-radical-christian-clerics-and-their-followers-too/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5210452,00.html

Ayup, another INJustice Sunday was held by Tony Perkins. I think this is the guy that should have been in Psycho because he’s fucking insane. And the sheep blindly following these fake Christians deserve whatever they have coming, too. And it won’t be a spot in “Heaven”.

I’m an atheist and I’m more Christian than these extremist, egomaniacal pricks.

Hey, Tony? You think your beloved Propagandist taking up space at the White House (Oh yeah…forgot again…he’s NOT THERE AGAIN) is really all that popular?

Think again!

Bush Approval a Low for Recent 2-Termers

[fasttense]

17. Gay bashing seems to be the latest sport

of the Christian Right. You know these mad men make me embarrassed to admit I'm a Christian.

Where did Jesus proclaim hate they neighbor??? And all them holier than though Christians, lets start judging their sins. Jesus clearly said judge and ridicule thy neighbor so he will live a miserable life and never turn to Christ.

I hang my head and am ashamed of these hypocrites.