TV Station Refuses to Air Anti-War Ad

[sabra]

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/wire/sns-ap-bush-ad-refused,0,7303783,print.story?coll=sns-ap-tv-headlines

TV Station Refuses to Air Anti-War Ad

By JENNIFER DOBNER
Associated Press Writer

SALT LAKE CITY -- A Utah television station is refusing to air an anti-war ad featuring Cindy Sheehan, whose son's death in Iraq prompted a vigil outside President Bush's Texas ranch.

The ad began airing on other area stations Saturday, two days before Bush was scheduled to speak in Salt Lake City to the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

However, a national sales representative for KTVX, a local ABC affiliate, rejected the ad in an e-mail to media buyers, writing that it was an "inappropriate commercial advertisement for Salt Lake City."

In the ad, Sheehan pleads with Bush for a meeting and accuses him of lying to the American people about Iraq's development of weapons of mass destruction and its connection to al-Qaida.

[bluestateguy]

1. If the Fox affiliate can air it, then they can too

n/t

[Gronk Groks]

2. and why are we not surprised...

...hmmm, Salt Lake City, Utah. Election 2004 was 70% Bush/30% Kerry.
I'm surprised ANY television stations in SLC showed it...really !!!

[Peace Patriot]

44. Nope, we do not know how Utah voted. The 2004 election was non-

transparent and unverifiable. The votes were tabulated by two Bushite companies (run by major Bush donors and supporters) with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code.

Know what the Carter Center said about our election system? --that our election system did not meet MINIMUM international standards for transparency and verifiability and they therefore COULD NOT monitor the 2004 election.

Frankly, I think many votes were stolen from Republicans who did not vote for Bush. Easiest places to flip the votes over without detection were Republican precincts.

Red State/ Blue State is B.S., in my opinion. I'm not willing to judge ANY state, until we have transparent, verifiable elections.

[wli]

3. boycott all advertisers on KTVX n/t

[kodi]

4. just remember, corporate control of the media is NOT a problem

.

[progressivebydesign]

42. You're right. Not A problem.. it's the only problem.

Until we get parity in news coverage, until the corporate military complex disowns the media, we are fucked.

[Peace Patriot]

45. Busting up the corporate news monopolies, and reclaiming our public

airwaves for political debate, will be the first order of business once we restore our right to vote. First we need to throw Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia electronic voting machines into 'Boston Harbor' (so to speak)! NOW!

[Tigress DEM]

57. Print media is getting better, though.

Our local STRIB is doing better - M19 Peace March in Minneapolis this year got bubkiss for coverage. There were 1,500 people there, the news mostly ignored it. Channel 11 put a pic on their website of about 30 people at the head of the line. If they had faced the camera the other way it went on for blocks. And they said "about or around" 1,000 - OK half again as many is more than "about or around."

But for the Cindy Sheehan Peace Vigils this time, they listed several locations and posted the accurate number for one of the largest: 1,200 people on the Lake Street/Marshall Ave bridge over the Mississippi.

Based on a post here on DU I just sent the NYT an email - they have done some good stories.
( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2022229 )


Hey! Fourth Estate!

Welcome back!

I know NYT has done a lot better than most all along, you and the Washington Post have at least given US something here and there, but this story is awesome! 24 Nominations for Greatest Page so far on the DU* !

The Swift Boating of Cindy Sheehan, By FRANK RICH
Published: August 21, 2005

I also thought I heard on DU* that one mother who went out to Crawford to tell Cindy to take down HER son's cross, changed her mind. Did you guys do a story on that too that I missed?

* http://www.DemocraticUnderground.com

Suggestion: If you think KUDOS as a subject might seem arrogant, how about KUDOS or Skunks where people can just write in to say, Great Job or Yuk that article stinks!

I bet you'd get more Kudos than Skunks!

Tigress

[Webster Green]

5. KTVX Contact Info....

http://www.4utah.com/contactus/


KTVX Studio Mailing Address:
ABC 4
2175 West 1700 South
Salt Lake City, Utah 84104


Phone Numbers:
General Station: 801-975-4444
News Department: 801-975-4401

[Ian David]

7. Clearchannel. Go figure

More:

The ads were bought for Gold Star Families for Peace by Washington, D.C.-based Fenton Communications, which provided a copy of the e-mail from station sales representative Jemina Keller.

<snip>

Station General Manager David D'Antuono said the decision was not influenced by the station's owner, Clear Channel Communications Inc.

---

The station is closed for the night...

http://tinyurl.com/4pxs6

http://tinyurl.com/4pxs6

[Tigress DEM]

56. Thanks. Wrote them a note ...

suggested if it wasn't "appropriate commercial" material, then maybe they should air it for free as a public service announcement.

Looked on their website and their Gov is telling seniors their drug costs will go down. Hmm. More of the Alaska syndrome? Tennesse is looking at it's Tenncare in light of 10 billion in Federal cuts to Medicade and trying to figure out how to keep 97,000 of their sickest, some who may die without medical treatment on their state sponsored system. How does that work?

Is it, if a state votes Rethug it gets more money and pork and if it doesn't, that's where the budget slash goes?

[libnnc]

6. Lemme guess...

this ABC affliate is either a Sinclair Broadcasting or a Clear Channel outfit.

Ah, just looked.

Clear Channel. :eyes:

[depakid]

8. When the media gets re-regulated their license should be yanked

along with countless others who make no pretense of serving the public interest.

[existentialist]

10. what do you mean no pretense

They will pretend anything--including that refusing to accept that ad is in the public interest.

And that Bush never lies.

And that global warming is a hoax.

And that we are the liberators of Iraq.

And that most of the Iraqi people truly love us.


And anything else that they try so hard to convince themselves is true.

[saigon68]

19. And the "Real" Iraqi people still throw flowers

LOL </sarcasm>

[NJCher]

9. here we go again

These are OUR airwaves, asshats!


Cher

[Daphne08]

13. Yes, they are!

[bookman]

11. "inappropriate commercial advertisement for Salt Lake City."

hah,

I bet they showed the Swift Boat Lies.

[Supersedeas]

63. It's just Party Line Censorship - welcome to Bushcountry

[fudge stripe cookays]

12. And my cousins....

wonder why I have no desire to go to Salt Lake City to do research. I would feel creepy if I even had to fly through the airport.

These people make me severely uncomfortable. I'll use their databases, but being in a state that full of brainless, mindless sheeple scares the shit out of me.

FSC

[NAO]

16. their "databases"...what databases?

are there special databases in Salt Lake City?

[salin]

34. geneology databases

they are supposed to be very good. Even if the premise as to how and why they were collected is a tad creepy to those of us who aren't Mormon (they believe that one can be the equivalent of baptised, after death - so they collect records as to have ceremonies to "save" (or the equivalent in mormon speak) more and more people.)

[fudge stripe cookays]

39. It's not really "saving" so to speak...

It's binding your ancestors to you so that you can all be together in the afterlife.

So the more ancestors you trace and find and "seal" to yourself, the more can be with you in the great hereafter.

FSC

[salin]

41. "sealing" (I couldn't remember the term)

but it isn't just about relatives. Had a friend who grew up in the area, nonmormon, and "friends" wanted to have her "sealed" by proxy (someone else, in her place, but for her.)

There was also an item earlier this year - very vague on details in my memory - but some geneology data were sought for a group of (deceased) Jewish people - and some folks were very upset with the idea (and hubris) that this group of people, of a different religious belief system, would be "sealed" (by proxy.) I probably have details wrong, and I appologize, but it was a very odd situation.

[fudge stripe cookays]

49. Yeah...you're right....

I think I read something about that too. I found it very offensive.

I have to admit that in my research, I've found information on some of my ancestors, who were usually pretty devout Methodist Episcopals, and they've been sealed to someone or other.

It angers me that these people can be so colossally egotistical to impose their religion on others who are dead.

Hubris. That's a good word.

So they are sort of a blessing, but also a curse to "unbelievers" like myself.

FSC

[PinkyisBlue]

71. 40 Virgins

And if you do their bidding while you're still alive, you will have 40 virgins awaiting you upon your death.

Religious fundamentalism comes in all religions.

[bobbieinok]

58. a lot of info is available at LDS church libraries around the country

and on the internet

probably at least one of your greatgrandparents is in the database

they also have microfilmed church records from around the world....a lot of info for demographic historians

and courthouse records (land purchases, wills, etc)

an extremely valuable tool for genealogical research

[Tesha]

61. The Mormons want to baptize everyone in the world...

living, or dead, ...so they're busy tracing everyone back to Adam.
They have a very extensive genealogical database to support this
effort.

Anywhere else, they'd be deemed a whacko cult. But not here in 'Murka.
'Cause they vote for Republicans.

Tesha

[Momgonepostal]

66. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater

The family history library is a genealogist's Disneyland. And I imagine a high percentage of the patrons are not LDS, but tourists looking for information.

I'm LDS and lived in Utah for a few years and never have considered myself "brainless, mindless, sheeple."

[fudge stripe cookays]

75. Sorry....I've heard it's Disneyland....

but because my family all settled in Wisconsin, most of the research I need to do I can do in Madison, which is liberal as cities get. It's really a vacation and a research trip combined.

I think it's great that you are not brainless and mindless like the majority of the state, but the hard fact for me is...I'd rather work a little harder to get my research somewhere I want to visit. If I want to see mountains, I go to Calgary.

I have no desire to come to Utah. None.


FSC

[xxqqqzme]

69. If U were there

your feelings would B confirmed. Driving across the great salt lake N2 Salt Lake City was very odd. I felt creeped out by the landscape; like I was being watched while in the city and that was 30 years ago.

[nine30]

14. Who wants to play an anti war ad in Utah

What the people of Utah need is psychiatric medication..not anti war ads on their tv sets.

[Peace Patriot]

47. Stop condemning the people of Utah until you know how they voted. We

DON'T KNOW! Really. We. do. not. know.

[nine30]

55. How they voted ?

Its a state that votes 94% Republican..what is there to know ?

[Tesha]

62. Of *COURSE* you do (know how they voted).

Mormons vote Republican.

Tesha

[Momgonepostal]

65. I'm a Mormon and don't think I have EVER voted Republican

I voted for Kerry in 2004 drove my mom-mobile van with the Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker to church every week. Please put away your broad toilet brush.

As to the station and their national sales manager: I've worked in TV advertising sales and have known national sales managers and can tell you they are a very mobile lot. Working as an NSM in Salt Lake does not mean being from Salt Lake. TV sales people, partically at the managerial level, often change jobs frequently in an attempt to move to bigger and higher paying markets. In the 3 years I worked for a TV station, we had 3 different NSM's, one local and the other two from out of state. Both out of staters, took other out of state jobs when they left. This guy may be a local, but I wouldn't bet the farm.

[Tesha]

70. My broad brush is well calibrated.

You and your mom-mobile are the exception to an entirely-accurate
general rule.

Tesha

[Rude Horner]

15. Is there any way to tell

if they played the Swiftboat ads? I would think that if they did, then we could REALLY make a case out of this!!

[ToeBot]

28. No, the swiftboat ads were not run on any station in Utah, Why would they?

There was absolutely no reason to influence Utah voters, they overwhelmingly support Bush, then and now. In the county where I live nearly 9 out of 10 voted for Bush over Kerry, and state wide it was just over 70% (for Bush). Even swiftboaters are not so stupid as to waste money preaching to the choir.

[Peace Patriot]

50. How were their votes counted? How do you know how they voted?

Keep in mind that the Bush Cartel had to manufacture and pad Bush's popular majority, as well as flip some close swing states for the Electoral College. So, maybe the majority in Utah went for Bush, but those extra votes, over and above the majority, were useful. But I won't even concede that the majority went for Bush. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY VOTED. And the whole thing was easy as pie, with "trade secret" programming code, owned and controlled by Bushites. It's not just the voting machines--the central tabulation is now all electronic and outside of public control--entirely privatized. Most election officials don't have a clue how it works, and, even if they do, are forbidden by "trade secret" provisions of the contracts with these private, partisan entities, to review the secret code.

We, the people, have lost control of our election system. And as long as our election system is in private, partisan hands, we have lost control of our country.

It serves the interests of the Bush Cartel and the War Party in DC to have us fighting among ourselves--and pointing accusing fingers at "red" states, and "red staters" sneering at libs in "blue" states, and on and on--when NONE OF US has control of our country any more. The Corporate Rulers are dictating who we get to 'vote' for, and who 'wins.' In Utah and everywhere else. We get Dems who destroy "red" states by permitting the outsourcing of millions of jobs, or Repubs who loot the country blind and slaughter tens of thousands of people in an unjust war in Iraq. The will of the majority of Americans be damned. And the true interests of our country be damned.

They've done this to us, up to 2002, with their filthy dirty billion dollar campaign contribution system (most of it pouring into the pockets of the five corporations that monopolize control over our public airwaves--for political ads on TV). Now--with electronic voting, and "trade secret" vote tabulation software--their going to do it directly.

We still have a chance to change this--at the state/local level, where power over election systems still resides, and where ordinary people still have some influence.

We had better get on it!

[PinkyisBlue]

73. Infighting

Good points!

One of the things Rush Limbaugh does so well is breed hatred and contempt between the various classes of society. According to him, our anger should be directed at the "welfare queens", the government employee, the guy in prison earning college credits, the single mother receiving subsidized housing, etc. If we're always fighting among ourselves, we're not focused on the real abuses: repeal of the so-called "death tax" (which only affects the very wealthy, like George Bush and Rush Limbaugh), the allowance by investment companies of special trading rules for their most lucrative customers (which affects performance of our mutual fund investments), the stagnation of the minimum wage (affecting wages paid to all hourly employees), etc. The wealthy have done so well under George Bush's economy and the rest have, well, not fared so well.

[orleans]

17. who do they think they are? cbs?

( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4114703/site/newsweek/ )

[brettdale]

18. email

[e-mail]

[Up2Late]

20. Contact the Mayors office! He just announced he's protesting *'s visit

Check it out at this link:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1716061&mesg_id=1716061>

SALT LAKE MAYOR CALLS FOR PROTEST OF BUSH
Aug 20, 2005

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Salt Lake City's Mayor Rocky Anderson used e-mail this week to call for "the biggest demonstration this state has ever seen," when President Bush appears before a national veterans convention Monday.

Anderson says Bush policies are disastrous for the country and that to stay quiet during the president's visit would be send a message of apathy.

The mayor's e-mail called for a collaboration of health care advocates, seniors, gay and lesbian advocates, anti-Patriot advocates, civil libertarians and anti-war folks to protest outside the convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

<http://www.kpvi.com/index.cfm?page=nbcheadlines.cfm&ID=28013>
(More at links above)

[Peace Patriot]

51. Wow! Go, Rocky!! Come on, Utahans! All of you whose votes were stolen,

and who have had it with a trillion dollar defict, and unjust war! All you who have had it with the sheiks of Araby running our government, and killing you with gas prices! All of you who are into compassion, and generosity and common sense. All of you who cherish homegrown values and true patriotism. Arise! And give this little fake Texas twerp the protest he so richly deserves! In Utah!

[smurfygirl]

21. Gold Star Families For Peace is getting some opposition

Anti-War Mom Opposition Mounting
Aug. 21, 2005


A Utah television station is refusing to air an anti-war ad featuring Cindy Sheehan, whose son's death in Iraq prompted a vigil outside President George W. Bush's Texas ranch.

Also, a patriotic camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprung up in downtown Crawford, Texas Saturday, countering the anti-war demonstration started by Sheehan. The camp is named "Fort Qualls," in memory of Marine Lance Cpl. Louis Wayne Qualls, 20, who died in Iraq last fall.

The anti-war ad began airing on other Salt Lake City-area stations Saturday, two days before Bush was scheduled to speak in Salt Lake City to the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

However, a national sales representative for KTVX, a local ABC affiliate, rejected the ad in an e-mail to media buyers, writing that it was an "inappropriate commercial advertisement for Salt Lake City."

In the ad, Sheehan pleads with Bush for a meeting and accuses him of lying to the American people about Iraq's development of weapons of mass destruction and its connection to al Qaeda.

"I love my country. But how many more of our loved ones need to die in this senseless war?" a weary-looking Sheehan asks in the ad. "I know you can't bring Casey back. But it's time to admit mistakes and bring our troops home now." The ads were bought by Gold Star Families for Peace, co-founded by Sheehan.

Salt Lake City affiliates of NBC, CBS and Fox began running the ad Saturday.

In a statement Saturday evening explaining its decision, KTVX said that after viewing the ad, local managers found the content "could very well be offensive to our community in Utah, which has contributed more than its fair share of fighting soldiers and suffered significant loss of life in the this Iraq war."

Bush carried nearly 70 percent of the vote last fall in Utah, one of the most conservative states north of the so-called Bible Belt.

Station General Manager David D'Antuono said the decision was not influenced by the station's owner, Clear Channel Communications Inc.

Celeste Zappala, who with Sheehan co-founded Gold Star Families for Peace, said she was puzzled by the decision.

"What stunned me was that it was inappropriate to hear this message," she said. "How is it that Salt Lake City should hear no questions about the war?"

The e-mail read: "The viewpoints reflected in the spot are incompatible with our marketplace and will not be well received by our viewers." It added that the spot didn't qualify as an issue advertisement.

For the ad to have been considered an "issue" advertisement a ballot measure would have had to be at stake, D'Antuono said.

Mark Wiest, vice president of sales for NBC-affiliated KSL television, said that in the interest of freedom of speech, his station didn't hesitate to run the ad. KSL is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"The bigger picture is, by suppressing the message are we doing what is right under the First Amendment and in an open democratic society?" Wiest said.

Salt Lake City's Mayor Rocky Anderson used e-mail this week to call for "the biggest demonstration this state has ever seen," when President Bush appears at the convention Monday.

Anderson says Bush policies are disastrous for the country and that to stay quiet during the president's visit would be send a message of apathy.




read the rest...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/20/politics/main789020.shtml

[Dogmudgeon]

22. Of course

They have dared to transgress our Wise and Courageous Maximum Leader, the God-Blessed George W. Bush.

They've already started Swift-Boating her. Look for it to ramp up before Congress and Our Commander In Chief refturn from their vacations.

--p!

[lvx35]

24. Maybe they should pull out. Guerrilla tactic.

Use guerrilla warfare against the repukes. Do something just long enough for them to get organized against it, then when they start the smear machine you drop it and do something else, and make them start a new campaign.

[Dogmudgeon]

25. Good idea!

But it isn't necessary for Ms. Sheehan to do. Her story is simply -- she's a grieving mother who was lied to by George Bush. She wants to hear the truth.

No amount of Swift-Boating will work on her unless a Smoking Gun is produced. Which I doubt. The defamers have already gotten some flack about this, and a number of Republicans have weighed in against the tactic, too.

The days of screech-monkey Conservatism are numbered. One or two more screeches, and it's over. Hopefully, so will be the war, and with as few casualties as possible.

--p!

[lvx35]

27. You're probably right.

She can stay, it won't harm us. And it opens the new orifice in their defenses, huge campaigns being organized against a simple mother whose child died while the president goes unscrutinized. They're ridiculousness is showing more.

Yeah, the screeches are getting easier and easier to counter, to manipulate, to imitate in ways that bring them down. They had better come up with something else, or yes, their days are numbered.

[Hugin]

33. "screech-monkey Conservatism"

LOL! Beautiful description!

Mind if I use it sometime?

[lvx35]

23. I just read that. Why is their camp "patriotic" And Cindy's isn't?

What is this country about? The Constitution, Or W's ass? Anybody who is supporting in the constitutional process is patriotic, and Sheehan is.

[Dogmudgeon]

30. Here's an idea

Make a bunch of copies of the standard Enlistment Form (I think it's DD0004) and give them out to the "patriots".

If any of them says that s/he is or was in the military, thank them for their service and move on.

--p!

[tabasco]

38. If any of them were in the service before ...

still hand them an enlistment contract. The military is taking prior service people up to 42 years old. I'm not letting pro-war people off the hook because they were Air Force laundry specialists at Eglin Beach for three years. Sign up for WAR chickenhawks and ask for ELEVEN-BRAVO this time.

Infantry Vet

[bluestateguy]

26. As I said, you criticize this Administration and they come after you hard

There are millions of people in this country who will protect Bush from any criticism as if he were a little child. The entire Bush family and their apologists have an entitlement mentality that assumes a God-given right to rule.

[rodeodance]

29. yes, people will protect Bush. and it will /is harsh.

[MASSAFRA]

31. I e-mailed the station

On another subject - Subway is a sponsor of the "Freedom Walk". If you would like to e-mail them here is the address. [e-mail]

[freshharbor]

32. That's a good idea

I will e-mail both....

[cpamomfromtexas]

78. This is what I put in my email

Hey since Jared's lost so much weight, why not have him enlist in the army, that would make a good commercial!

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. "God Bless Our President"?????

If that doesn't tell it all on who is behind the opposition, I don't know what does.

While the 'opposition' (which the noise machine has been cultivating for some time now) decries the Gold Star Mothers, Sheehan, and Camp Casey for association with the "far left" and "fringe", they show their hand with that banner. Is Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson there for the prayer breakfasts and passing the donation basket, too?

[vickitulsa]

35. So the Mormon state is solidly pro-war?

I wonder if the majority of Mormons and their supporters would be happy to be so categorized?

Probably they wouldn't mind -- or would that be too large a generalization?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Hugin]

36. KKKarl must be so proud.

That's his home state.

[shadowknows69]

37. I'll air it on my website if they want

we produce video features and we sell ad space to run tv commericals before the feature

P.S.- It would be reaching a very conservative audience in upstate ny near a military base. let me know.

[NYC Liberal]

40. I'll bet money they've run Viagra ads....just like all the other

stations who have done the same thing.

[TankLV]

43. First "THEY" told us that WE Democrats weren't getting our message out

and able to convice people, because the repukes had more money, better advertising to get out their "better" (LIES) message.

Now that we've got almost equivalent money, organization and advertising, they are somehow "inappropriate" mesages.

Give them what THEY want, give in to THEIR demands, and they CHANGE THE RULES again!

But the moles in our own party tell us to continue to "play nice", apologize ala dicky durbin, and roll over and "reach out" even more.

And THEY wonder why WE are considering withholding OUR support the next time around?

[Peace Patriot]

52. We matched the Bush Cartel money machine dollar for dollar in 2004.

We also blew them away in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40!

Doesn't matter if Bushite companies are 'counting' all the votes in secret.

But, TankLV, you have an excellent point. If we gage our actions and our strategies by what the corporate news monopolies say and do, and by what the War Democrats and Global Corporate Piracy ('free trade') Democrats say and do, we lose...and lose, and lose, and lose.

1. Get rid of the Bushite electronic voting machine companies and their secret, proprietary programming code. (...jeez!)

2. And start TELLING THE TRUTH, and let the chips fall where they may (i.e., serious corruption in the Dem Party in the billion dollar electronic voting boondoggle, and other items.)

[BiggJawn]

46. Any Starbucks ads?

Hmmmm?

[dpbrown]

48. How very Hermann Göring of them

"Why of course the people don't want war.... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship.... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they're being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hermann Göring -
Storm Trooper Commander, Reichsmarschall, and aspiration successor to Adolph Hitler

[Peace Patriot]

53. And I believe it was Josef Stalin who said, it's not the votes that count,

but who counts the votes.

Interesting that we have to reach back to the world's most heinous dictators to find parallels with this situation. Interesting...and damned scary.

But keep this in mind: History does NOT repeat itself. William Butler Yeats had an idea that is much closer to the truth, that history is a spiral (he called it a "gyre"), in which certain THEMES (not events) keep repeating, keep coming back, again and again, as the spiral of the human story evolves, and these THEMES keep creating situations in which people have to reclaim their rights, renew their commitment to the highest human values, and push the progress, education and improvement of the human race forward.

We are at such a moment. It may be scary, but it is also an opportunity.

I've been following the arc of this opportunity--the curve of the gyre--for some time now, and I am completely convinced that the American people will rise, and are rising, to this challenge. We are looking at the Second American Revolution, and I am also convinced that this one will be peaceful, and a very great transformation of our society. I'm not just crystal-ball gazing either. There is A LOT OF concrete evidence for it, of which I will cite only two examples. 58% of the American people opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion. Feb. '03. Before all the lies were exposed; before the full horror and costs of it were known. 58%! Across the board in all polls. And, 63% of the American people oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. May '04. This is not a fearful people. This is a people that sticks to their sense of ethics and justice despite relentless fearmongering.

I also believe--on the basis of extensive evidence--that the American people rejected the Bush Cartel by a landslide on Nov. 2, 2004, and had their votes tweaked to Bush (in small percentages here and there, starting in the eastern time zone, where the highest tweaks occurred), by the two main Bushite electronic voting companies (Diebold and ES&S) using their "trade secret," proprietary programming code (in easily hackable and highly insecure central tabulators).

I think Americans tried their damnedest to oust these criminals, and were foiled. (Another factor in that defeat--something we have yet to reckon with here at DU--is the collusion and corruption of many Dem Party leaders in the new billion dollar boondoggle of electronic voting.)

I think that that great majority--the overwhelming progressive majority in this country, which has been demoralized, disempowered and DISENFRANCHISED--will rise again.

[PinkyisBlue]

74. I hope you are right.

And I hope to see this rise in my lifetime.

I read an article somewhere that said a corrupt government, like the one we have now, cannot sustain itself forever. Eventually its bad policies will cause it to self-destruct (or something like that). Anyway, it made me feel better to think this whole house of cards will collapse sometime. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.

[Initech]

80. Great rant. Another great Stalin quote that comes to mind:

"The death of one is a tragedy. The death of many is a statistic."

I wonder if that's the rationale W is using for everything he's done leading up to and since 9/11/2001? :grr:

[vickitulsa]

82. I hope I'm not too late

to contribute again to this thread and maybe even help keep it going a little longer, because I believe the ideas expressed here are absolutely CENTRAL to exposing the nefarious and heartless plotting of the repugs and the Bush oil war cabal!

Every time I read one of Peace Patriot's posts, I am thankful all over again that s/he is willing to risk annoying people by returning repeatedly to the core issue of the theft of the election process. I'm sorry, Peace Pat, that I haven't been here long enough to know your gender. ;)

But then gender doesn't matter. Race doesn't matter. Position in society doesn't matter. Even party of registration doesn't matter! At least not in one respect: NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, IF YOU CHERISH TRUE DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND WANT TO KEEP OUR CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM INTACT, fending off the thievery, cheating, and outright lying shysterism of the Bush Gangsters, then it's past time to rise up as Peace Pat says and DEMAND the criminals in the White House be put out on the street -- or in PRISON -- where they belong!

I agree with PP's perception that this uprising is already in progress, too. In fact, to me it has become so clear by now that it won't be long till all those collaborating, mostly high-ranking Dems in DC MUST be getting the message. I can see some of the lower-level rats jumping ship as they wise up and realize the GIG IS UP for the warmongering government of the oil magnates. And as those folks bail out right in front of everybody and without much of an attempt to disguise what they're doing, the truth becomes more clear to others -- notably to the PUBLIC that has been so well fooled and hitherto were so well deceived and drubbed into submission by the wealthy they just didn't have much of a chance to get a clear picture of the REAL Bush&Co.

I think first we have to see some of the ship-jumpers (who are actually the BRAVEST ones among those who previously Believed The Lies) admitting their mistake in trusting W and his evil crew. Because so many Americans are guilty only of wanting to believe his seemingly simplistic version of history since it seemed to offer them a way to fight back against terrorists who hate us, these duped ones must see that it's better to admit you were fooled and made a mistake in backing GWB than to hang onto your pride and stick by him as he continues to rape our country -- and nations beyond our borders as well!

PLEASE keep on singing the tune you deliver so well, Peace Pat! I do believe more people every day are understanding the truth you are putting out there for everyone's perusal and pondering -- as some replies to your posts testify. I am heartened as you are by what I see as the slow turning of the screw ... and it's a screw right into W's chest! Not his back, as he screws all Americans and anyone else he can gain access to, but into his chest, right in front of his face. He and his wicked, lying crew have plotted and carried out campaigns of deception and death so vile that he should have to see the retribution -- his just reward -- coming!

When a mayor of Salt Lake City is courageous enough to call for an anti-war protest during a visit to his state by GWB aimed at boosting SUPPORT for the war in Iraq, people should sit up and take notice that the ones once thought to be mindless Bushbots may actually be starting to rebel against the botmasters and give loud voice to their anger at being lied to, misled, and abused.

The uprising of the people this time WILL be peaceful, I think, but that doesn't mean it will be any quieter or less vigorous!

And you guys are so right about the Stalin quotes and how scary it is that in order to properly frame the Bush administration in history we have to look to the likes of Stalin and Hitler! But I thank our lucky stars that we have people who can recognize the ideology and tactics of dictators when they see it in the present administration, and fortunate also that these alert and perceptive ones are willing to persist in trying to get everyone's attention on this issue.

So yes, yes, YES, Peace Patriot! Please keep the drumbeat going because the particular rhythms you offer up are like those of the Native American drummers -- they reach right into the heart and soul of human beings and speak truly to our innermost needs and longings. As a friend of mine from the former Czechoslovakia to whom English was a second language used to put it, we must "talk true" and see "who is guilty onto this." The mess we're in is not irreversible, not by a long shot!

Carry on, anti-war troopers and Bush exposers! The work you're doing is TRULY blessed and will have its just reward. All the American people need to see is the fundamental TRUTH about GWB and his plotting partners and pals, and they will surely throw the bums OUT!

~VV

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[Sean Reynolds]

54. Help me write KTVX advertisers!

Comcast:

Comcast Corporation Headquarters
1500 Market Street
Philadelphia, PA 19102
215-665-1700

1-800-COMCAST

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/14/147565/forms/corpcontacts.htm

TimberLand Lodge:

[e-mail] <[e-mail]>

Camp Yagotta Go:

Wyoming Travel & Tourism
I-25 at College Drive
Cheyenne, WY 82002
TEL: [phone]
FAX: [phone]
TOLL FREE: 800-225-5996

http://wyomingtourism.org/sitetools/contact_us.php

Olay Skin Care (copy & paste):

http://olay.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/olay.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?p_sid=O9b3uANh&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0xNjEmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**



Verizon:

Verizon Communications
Corporate Headquarters
1095 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036

Telephone: [phone]

http://www22.verizon.com/CustomerSupport/ContactUs/Index/

Tango Personals.

http://www.tangopersonals.com/about/feedback.jsp

I'll look for more, these were just the ads on their website: www.kutv.com

I'll watch and write down ads I see on TV!

[Don_1967]

59. S.O.B.

Standard Operational Bullshit

[sakabatou]

60. Soon to be seen on KTVX, a pro-Bush/war ad

[janetle]

64. Nancy Reagan made them turn off FOX on AF1! LOL!

This interview with Ron Reagan was in my paper today. Man, if Nancy Reagan doesn't like Fox maybe there is hope. (Of course, I realize her son is on MSNBC and that has something to do with it but still...)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002446302_ronreagan22.html

I got a kick out of this but it also gives me the creeps that FOX is such an instrument of the Bush people. Everytime I stay in a hotel and FOX News is the default channel on TV---which is the case oftentimes---I complain loudly.

And a quote from the Ron Reagan article:

"Q. Does your mom ever call and tell you that you (screwed) up?

A. And in those words, too. ... She's very supportive, likes the show and all that good stuff. When I started working for MSNBC, which was before my father died last year, she became sort of an MSNBC loyalist then. We flew back to Washington on Air Force One for the funeral. When you get on Air Force One, you discover that they've got these flat-panel screens in various places on the plane, and they're all tuned to Fox News. And she called up whomever you call on the plane and had them turn all the TVs to MSNBC instead."

[sendero]

68. Broadcast stations...

... are supposed to operate in the public interest and their FCC licenses are predicated on that fact.

Residents in the broadcast coverage area should inform them that when their license comes up for renewal, this issue will be brought to the attention of the FCC along with a request that said license renewal be denied based on this abuse.

[Stainless]

72. Protest

I live in KTVX's broadcast area. Yesterday, I sent the station an "informative" e-mail and I also e-mailed the FCC requesting an investigation of this incident. I am now preparing to leave my work and join the anti-Bush protests in Downtown SLC!

[sendero]

81. Excellent..

... work!

[ClintonTyree]

76. War and death however, IS an appropriate commercial .......

advertisement for Salt Lake City. :eyes: Yep, those folks in Utah WILL allow the "War and Death President" to proselytize, trying to regain his past "glory" and support for an illegal and immoral War. War propaganda.......bring it on! Peace and Love? Not a chance! :banghead:

It just makes you want to pull up stakes and move to lovely, brotherly Utah, doesn't it? :puke:

[Mr_Spock]

77. OK Utah people - take these jerks down

Boycott these losers - do whatever it takes.

[Initech]

79. Can you say "chickenhawk", kids?

Once again, Bush is too fucking scared to face the truth. What an ass.

[emcguffie]

83. I just can't wait --

-- until we take back the government, bust up the media conglomerates and return the airwaves to the American people.

[mapleboard]

84. What about the Kerry/Swift Boat Commercials???

So..........it's OK to air bogus Swift Boat commercials attacking war hero John Kerry, but............................