NYT: JAMA Gets Angry E-Mails From Abortion Foes

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

Them scientist are EEEEEEVEEEEEEL!!!!!! :sarcasm:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Fetal-Pain-Hate-Mail.html?oref=login&pagewanted=print

JAMA Gets Angry E-Mails From Abortion Foes
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 1:29 p.m. ET

CHICAGO (AP) -- The editor of a medical journal that published an article this week saying fetuses likely don't feel pain until late in pregnancy said Thursday she has received dozens of angry e-mails from abortion opponents.

Dr. Catherine DeAngelis, editor in chief of The Journal of the American Medical Association, said she had to take a walk around the block after receiving dozens of ''horrible, vindictive'' messages.

''One woman said she would pray for my soul,'' DeAngelis said. ''I could use all the prayers I can get.'' DeAngelis said she is a staunch Roman Catholic and strongly opposes abortion, though she also supports women's right to choose.

''Your license should be stripped,'' DeAngelis said, reading aloud from the 50 or so e-mails that came to her office. ''You're hypocrisy,'' ''You should get a real job,'' ''Eternity will definitely bring justice for you,'' others wrote.

The article that prompted this one: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/health/24fetus.html?pagewanted=print

[Justitia]

1. Ahhhh, those lovely pro-lifers, so sweet. -eom

[DrJackson]

5. Not pro-lifers -- anti-choicers n/t

[Justitia]

8. You are absolutely correct. -eom

[Howardx]

11. i like "no choicers" myself

n/t

[saigon68]

32. Hateful Right Wing Fundy Nut Cases

So Many so evil

[rodeodance]

2. there was a real freaked out one on a talk show last night. She was

just plain weird!!

[rodeodance]

6. Brownback has introduced federal legislation on this issue (see below).

from the article.


The federal legislation, introduced by Senator Sam Brownback, Republican of Kansas, in 2004 and again this year as the "Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act," says there is "substantial evidence" of "substantial pain to an unborn child" during abortions performed after 20 weeks. The bill includes a script doctors must read to women, offering to deliver anesthesia directly to the fetus and stating, "The Congress of the United States has determined that at this stage of development, an unborn child has the physical structures necessary to experience pain."

Mr. Brownback said he hoped Congress would act on the bill sometime next year. "It is one of the top priorities of the pro-life movement to address this issue," he said.

[Tesha]

13. Ahh, a well known medical body...

> "The Congress of the United States has determined that at this stage
> of development, an unborn child has the physical structures necessary
> to experience pain."

Ahh, a well known medical body! Well, I guess Frist must have glanced
at the video tapes.

Tesha

[genieroze]

26. Okay, I'm going to say it. I can't stop myself.

Maybe Dr Frist should have the fetuses pray for pain relief like he instructed women to do with menstral cramps.

[kestrel91316]

29. What a perfectly wonderful idea. I agree completely.

[displacedtexan]

3. It's called "the quick and the dead," not...

the blastocyst and the dead.

Bible thumpers need to spend more time reading the Bible.

[rfranklin]

4. What? No death threats?

Where's Eric Rudolph when we need him?

[Sandpiper]

7. No surprise that they're angry

If the fetuses, in fact, don't feel pain, all they're left with is the argument that a fetus has a soul.

[bunkerbuster1]

20. Blows their arguments to shit, it does.

Frankly, if you're not so extreme on the issue that you want ALL fertilized eggs to be considered "babies", then it ain't much of a jump to recognize that the vast majority of elective abortions involve--hell, let's call it what it is--parasitic life forms incapable of feeling anything.

there's no Biblical basis for their views, there's no medical basis for their views, there's just their ridiculous, my-way-or-the-highway assertion that an embryo equals a baby.

[CoffeeCat]

9. Lookee what Junior Shrub has done...

...he's empowered the freaks.

It used to be, that science, research and evidence trumped emotion--when it comes to medical matters.

ShrubCo has lifted up those who believe that feelings are tantamount to medical research. They are so emboldened now--that they feel comfortable throwing punches at scientists.

[DBoon]

10. JAMA supports scientific truth

that alone is enough to rile these nutcases

[Sandpiper]

12. Facts do not have a political agenda

Even though their existence inconveniences the pro-life movement.

[progressivebydesign]

14. Those nice, nice, Christians. A bunch of sweethearts.

I'd rather be aborted than be born to some of those narrow minded meanies.

[Gman]

15. Such sweet and kind "christians"

I can't stand those people.

[6000eliot]

16. Probably don't want to let go of "The Silent Scream."

Anti-intellectual dipshits.

[meganmonkey]

17. Who needs science?

Or doctors, for that matter?

Geez, these freak shows have driven even me, the natural-healing-homeopathic-loving-hippie that I am, to unconditionally side with modern medicine!

It's almost funny, but it so warped too that I can't quite laugh.

:(

[go freedom]

18. JAMA needs to ignore...

the faith healers, snake shakers, witch burners, and sundry other FlavorAid drinkers.

Medicine should ignore the child molesting whack jobs.

[hyphenate]

19. People can send her email through the main

website for JAMA: http://jama.ama-assn.org

I just sent one to tell her that most of us appreciate the work of the JAMA and that we're not fucking weirdoes like the RRR. Of course I told her it in a far more polite manner, which I'm sure she will appreciate. ;)

[antigone382]

21. The Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association?

LOL, I think that's the wrong link. :)

[hyphenate]

22. Oooops!

Try this one:

http://jama.ama-assn.org

[wli]

23. probably a few terroristic threats in there

And/or soliciting murder. Of course, since Bushler fully endorses vigilatism on the part of the religious reich, they'll never be prosecuted.

[Megahurtz]

24. Every Fundie Freak crawling out from every rock

lately.:popcorn:
I think they're all losing it because good 'ol Pat fucked up!:rofl:

[ismnotwasm]

25. Even if a believed in some sort of creator God

I would hope to shout she/he/it made it so the fetus doesn't feel pain--Given the number of spontanious abortions. I'm going to have to do some research and find a link, but I remember learning in nursing school that upward of 25% of all pregnancies spontaneously abort. It would make seem These people have no compassion at all. I think this is great news. And for those right wing assholes out there-- It STILL has NOTHING to do with a woman's right to choose.

[librechik]

27. when do these morans realize their feelings have no effect on facts?

not to mention their antiquated beliefs.

How about if we just tell them patiently:
"no, no--the baby isn't really a HUMAN BEING until God blows the first breath into it's little body--at the precise moment it is born. Before that PEOPLE need to keep their sticky fingers out of the womb! THAT space belongs to GOD and the MOTHER--not you! Are you pretending to BE GOD by deciding in advance what standards He should have?"

that way they can be reassured that God has a role, but no longer have to bother themselves with everybody else's personal business.

I know, fat chance!

[Sandpiper]

28. "Facts are Stupid Things"

At least that's what Ronald Reagan said.

I've heard he meant to say "Facts are tricky things," but I think his actual utterance explained the GOP position quite succinctly

[hyphenate]

30. Update on email

it was a brief "thank you" but I received it from Dr. DeAngelis herself. I guess kudos to her through the website made her feel relieved enough to respond. I really wish more people would speak up and give her and others like her encouragement. It can be rough to have to field all the shit from the enemy continuously.

[NNguyenMD]

31. my OB/GYN physician professor brought this up today and couldn't believe

that so many people are wasting this much oxygen on as trivial an issue as this when he's got a mountain of uninsured patients, and patients getting thrown off medicaid struggling to get prenatal care at this obstretics clinic.

We have sick care in this country, not healthcare, and the fact that an article in a medical journal causes this much controversy among people who have no idea what they're talking about is just incredible. (and I don't mean you guys wasting time with fetal pain I'm of course talking about pundits, newspaper editorials, and shouting match debate shows)

[jamesinca]

33. JAMA is not an opinion piece

It is a publication of facts, peer reviewed etc.... Just because the facts and the science say a fetus can not feel pain until late in the pregnancy does not mean that the editor or author believe that. For the anti-choice crowd to condemn her and write such e-mails just shows how silly they are. I am willing to bet all of those that wrote to her are not physicians or other licensed health care providers, and they really did not read the article or understand it if they did. I bet they had a thing sent to them by one of the Tele-tubby, Sponge Bob haters saying to do this.