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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:09 PM
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Bush Draws Comparisons Between Iraq War, WWII

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/militaryconnection/4912531/detail.html

Bush Draws Comparisons Between Iraq War, WWII


SAN DIEGO -- A resolute President George W. Bush, facing a public wary of his war policies, declared Tuesday at Naval Air Station North Island that "we will not rest until victory is America's and our freedom is secure."

Commemorating the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II, the president drew comparisons between that 20th-century conflict and current wars on terror and in Iraq.

"As we mark this anniversary, we are again a nation at war. Once again war came to our shores with a surprise attack that killed thousands in cold blood," he said at a naval base here, referring to Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

He said that as in the time of World War II, the United States now faces "a ruthless enemy" and "once again we will not rest until victory is America's and our freedom is secure."



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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:10 PM
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1. ahhhh shaddup!
:eyes:
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:14 PM
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7. We he's right about one thing
There are nazi's involved.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:29 PM
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39. Actually he meant WWIII
He was comparing it to his glorious fantasy worldwide extermination Holocaust.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:34 AM
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55. A fellow Beagler!
Did he say "surprise attack"? SURPRISE ATTACK!!!!! Oy.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:10 PM
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2. gawd--where are his priorities!!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:10 PM
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3. Jesus, what a fucking dumbass
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:12 PM
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4. Is he out of his irrelevant mind?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:13 PM
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5. Oh, *I* get it
There must be Germans acting as * administration financiers. See? History really does repeat itself.
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evworldeditor Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:05 PM
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38. Pandering to the "Great Generation"
Hitler had panzer divisions steamrolling across Europe. Tojo's troops occupied much of Asia-Pacific. Both had one objective, to secure vital raw materials, manpower and territories to keep their nations growing.

You see that in this conflict? I see a rag-tag bunch of pissed-off people tired of being shoved around by their own leaders and the West, who turn to fundamentalism as the unthinking answer to their problems. In my reading of this, there is virtually no similarity between WWII and this conflict, unless you talk about terror as weapon, like Stukas, Kamikazes and car bombs.

The sad thing is, twenty years from now, we'll open up diplomatic relations with our "friends" the Iranians, again. Meanwhile, on hundreds of thousands of walls and dressers and fireplace mantels will be the photos of long-dead loved ones named Harry or Ahmed,killed for some forgotten cause initiated because of a bunch of lies.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:05 PM
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52. I saw a gentleman from thae"greatest generation" on FOX today
a veteran of war WWII, he said there is absolutely no comparison to the reconstruction in Europe after WWII and what is going on in Iraq today.

I don't know that FOX was expecting that, the gent may have tossed 'em a curve ball.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:48 AM
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64. By the way, evworldeditor...
I thought that was a terrific piece of writing. You packed a hell of a lot into one little package.
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modrepub Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:13 PM
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6. Mr. pResident
You are no Roosevelt and we have no competent generals like Marshal and Eisenhower to help us out.
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:14 PM
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8. I'd be a whole lot more inclined to listen to you...
if you had a clue, Georgie-Pordgie. Iraq didn't have anything to do with the hijacking of our aircraft or the flying of them into anythin on 9/11, so your comparison falls apart from the beginning...
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:05 PM
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30. Like what would expect with guy who is his own cheerleader?
:woohoo:Go bush.........raw,raw,raw....go bush go........raw,raw,raw:woohoo:
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:14 PM
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9. There might be a comparison, but that would put us on the loosing side.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:15 PM
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10. Can't he compare himself to WWII instead?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:17 PM
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11. Yeah, his family profiteered off of that war, too! ... eom
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:19 PM
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13. that's too funny
sorry--after reading all the posts and everything about the hurricane, I needed a laugh

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:18 PM
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12. Well, we ARE playing the German Role this time around
A little more kinder and gently, after all Totalitarianism returns in new forms adapted to the time and place it is trying to dominate.

And what worked on the Germans won;t work on the Americans. So it's a bit different, MUCH more gentle (for the moment, anyway).

And we have a Cowardly Fuhrer who's virtually every word is the OPPOSITE of what he means.

Some things don't ever change...
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johnmccarthy Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:47 PM
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51. Much More Gentle For The Moment
http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id362.html

These folks, the Iraqi Resistance, had the expertise to acquire the photographs in this segment, edit it, and put throbbing music to it.

People in the movie business ask, "How did they acquire these photos, obviously taken by Americans because of the proximity to the subjects, and put this documentary together in June of 2005 when the Resistance was "in it's last throws?"

IF this is legitimate, and it appears to be, we are facing a determined 'enemy' who are adopting the mantra of "Give me liberty or give me death".

And, our boys and girls are not allowed to see this information re the MSM and the Bush Administration.

Please pass this on to interested parties.

Bests,
John McCarthy
vpocv@hotmail.com Google this addy
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:21 PM
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14. Is this the same WWII
when guys all signed up? When we had rationing? When people made sacrifices?

Bush is confused.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:22 PM
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15. honestly, is anyone listening to this BS anymore?
even his base seems to be sliping away....

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:23 PM
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16. Roosevelt and Churchill's kids were in the military. Bush's aren't. (nt)
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:26 PM
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17. So was Joe Stalin's
and he would not trade for them

he was one evil bastard
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:27 PM
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18. If bush was president when Pearl Harbor happened he would
have invaded New Zealand.

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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:27 PM
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34. Heh.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:29 PM
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19. who gives a fuck what he says
god only knows how many are dead and will die. the economy of this country has just taken a hit on the scale that few really realize now but will understand soon. there isn`t a soldier in iraq from these states that doesn`t realize just how fuck`d over they are..watching there "homeland" be drowned and it is their job to help but they can do nothing to help...
i really don`t care if bush says anything ,in fact he should just go to his room and let the real women and men of this country take charge of this disaster...
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opusprime Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:36 PM
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20. Who is our enemy?
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 02:37 PM by opusprime
The liberated citizens of Iraq?

Al-Qaeda and Osama bin-Laden?

Iran? North Korea?

Saudi Arabia?

The French and Germans?

Who are we supposed to hate this week?

Cindy Sheehan?

Hurricane Katrina?

"Katrina hates New Orleans because of it's freedoms"

Will we ever win the war on our undefined enemies?
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:39 PM
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21. . . . In order to counter comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam.
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JustSayNO 2 Sheeples Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:48 PM
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23. comparing
"In order to counter comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam."

No shit!!!! Confuse, distract and pray for a disaster to divert the real issues. And if that don't work, pull out patriotism once again and wave it in their faces.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:45 PM
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22. What. An. Arrogant. Idiot.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:52 PM
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24. "...our freedom is secure."
Not under you it ain't.
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:53 PM
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25. Disgusting
Trying to compare the worst war iin history to Iraq? What the hell are we fighting for Mr. President? The 2008 election can't come soon enough.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:56 PM
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26. Repulsive to compare these wars...they are nothing alike. n/t
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:57 PM
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27. wtf is he smoking?
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defiant1 Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:59 PM
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28. Good gawd....
"As we mark this anniversary, we are again a nation at war. Once again war came to our shores with a surprise attack that killed thousands in cold blood," he said at a naval base here, referring to Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Well, Pearl Harbor wasn't really a surprise. Least not to the FDR.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

Hmmm...I seem to remember something about a PDB...

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:00 PM
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29. My dad and his buddies are rolling in their graves.
:grr:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:27 PM
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35. Mon papa et ses amis se retournent dans leurs tombes aussi.
My father and his friends are rolling in their graves also, Steve.

Maybe what ** really meant to compare was his own dictatorial regime of war criminals to Hitler's dictatorial regime of war criminals...

Yeah. In that case, we're just 5 years into it so far. :grr:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:19 PM
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31. Pantload says "credibility at stake"
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N30285775.htm

SAN DIEGO, Aug 30 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, facing waning support for his Iraq policy, on Tuesday appealed to Americans not to waver because of the rising death toll and said U.S. credibility was at stake.

With nearly 1,900 U.S. troops killed in Iraq and anti-war protesters trailing him from his secluded Texas ranch to California, Bush has seen his job approval ratings plummet to the lowest levels of his presidency.

In a speech in which he sought to cast the conflict as the modern day equivalent of America's World War Two struggle against Japan, Bush said Americans "once again" had a stark choice to make.

"Now as then our enemies have made their fight a test of American credibility and resolve. Now as then they are trying to intimidate free people and break our will," Bush said.

...more...

No, Idiotsonofanutjob, the US credibility is not at stake. You destroyed it. Now stfu.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:10 PM
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53. So, Pantload thinks that lying and telling fairy tales
will make it all better?

He certainly does take Americans for idiots! What insulting freaks of nature our "leaders" be.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:22 PM
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32. A few more comparisons....
Riiiight....
Okay- I'll play...

Roosevelt responds to the Japanese attack by targeting.... Japan!
Bush responds to the Saudi/Terror attack by targeting... a nation which had nothing to do with it!

Roosevelt condemns Hirohito and the Japanese Joint Chiefs.
Bush invites the Bandar boys to his ranch and flies them out when the heat flares.

Roosevelt tells us, "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself."
Bush tells us, "Duct tape! Duct tape!"

Roosevelt tells us we will face severe shortages.
Bush/Cheney tell us that hangining clothes out to dry to save energy is unpatriotic.

Roosevelt and Hull initiate rationing
Bush initiates a new frat boy into Skull & Bones (O-kay, I'm at work... give me more time and this one would've been more imaginative)

Roosevelt dies in office from over-work.
Bush takes longest vacation in Presidential history!

See? Bush was right! There are lot's of comparisons!

That Son-of-a-Bush is REALLY starting to piss me off :mad:


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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:25 PM
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33. ...jawhol! und zis time ve vill not be defeated! Heil Busch!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:56 PM
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36. You know he's in desperate sell mode when he repeatedly...
invokes the Name of FDR in order to pimp his criminal boondoggle.
He and his neocon masters are intent on dismantling every bit of FDR's legacy. Hell, they are even trying to replace him on the dime with Saint Reagan!
Just when you think these shameless bastards can't sink any lower...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:00 PM
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37. I don't really have time for non-Katrina disaster threads but,
FUCK YOU BUSHLER! GO TO HELL!!!

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:46 PM
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40. I think I'm gonna faint......
I remember that day December 7, 1941 clearly, and there is no comparison between World War II and this illegal invasion of Iraq. FDR was a man not a slime little boy like junior.

WW II was a national effort. Ten million people didn't march in protest for WW II like they before the Iraq invasion. How many Americans now support this custer fuck? About 35% and probably less if the truth is known.

George W. Bush is a liar, a thief and a war criminal.

I hope I live long enough to see this prick prosecuted for his crimes.


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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:57 PM
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41. Iraq and Saddam DID NOT ATTACK US
DAMN. How many times do we have to say that??????????????

Why is it that the people who WERE attacked (NYC) were the first to realize this?
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johnmccarthy Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:14 PM
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42. Drawing The Real Comparisons
Hello Sabra,

Here are a few comparisons of WWII and the War in Iraq. It Would be awfully nice if Mr. Bush would address these issues that he currently ignores and which the MSM refuses to publish and comment on and that is the essence of my web site. If I can reach one young man or woman who are contemplating entering military service, the effort of placing this site in the public domain will be worthwile. Would be nice if a parent or two took heed. Thank God for the Internet.

http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id2.html

Bests,
John McCarthy
vpocv@hotmail.com Google search this address
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:28 PM
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43. We Will Never Be Secure.
Not with him and his minions in charge.:(
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:30 PM
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44. It is a little like the nazis marching into Poland
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:38 PM
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45. I'm going to be so f*cking ill
That that little fucker mentions anything about him in the same f*cking breath as FDR makes me so f*cking mad I can hardly stand it.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

Fucker!

david
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:39 PM
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46. Remember what his dad said about Gulf war 1?
"We are dealing with hitler revisited"

Assholes
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:59 PM
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47. Can someone enlighten me again why we went into Iraq in the first place?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:10 PM
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48. I'm sure the idiot resident would like to believe in a comparison.
I've heard rumors that FDR allowed Japan to hit Pearl Harbor, because he knew they would eventually be at war with us. Now I don't believe it, but I'm sure this is what Boosh is really referring to (guilty conscience about 911).
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:15 PM
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49. Are ya *absolutely* sure ya wanna go there, Georgie?
I don't think you do.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:18 PM
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50. Yeah, Bu$h is Hitler, and Americans are the Nazis this time around.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:58 PM
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54. See even HE admits that he is like Hitler and the repukes are like the
Nazis!

What?

He was referring to what?

Silly me to hope for the obvious!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:48 AM
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56. WWII did cost less
braking down costs, if his 'Iraq War' goes, we will be bankrupt soon.
Rebuilding New Orleans etc. forget it we have to make the US safe from 'terraists'.

:grr:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:57 AM
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57. What a moran
Saying his childish fantasies out loud again? There are no words to describe the depravity of this craven cretin...
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:18 AM
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58. We knew who the enemy was during
WW2. We didn't have designated enemies hand picked by George W. Bush.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:22 AM
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59. I repeat: We knew who the enemy was
during WW2. It was not like George Bush's designated hand-picked ememies.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:26 AM
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60. W is trying to compare himself to FDR...
:puke:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:06 AM
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61. this isn't a war, Bush, this is an invasion ....
you idiot.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:08 AM
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62. Exactly, and an occupation, and you don't get to call yourself a
"war president" when you start it you ignorant, selfish, evil man.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:12 AM
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63. The only comparison I can make ...
* is the atomic bomb, destroying everything in his path. * needs some serious mental help, I'm sick of listening to his delusions of grandeur.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:44 PM
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65. Unnecessary wars started by madmen. eom
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:47 PM
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66. Somebody correct my history:
I thought that Japan actually attacked the United States.

Or, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Iraq also attacked the United States. I think that's where I'm tripping myself up.

:sarcasm:
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