Report: Police shoot gunmen

[OKNancy]

Report: Police shoot gunmen
Police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on contractors crossing a bridge to make levee repairs, The Associated Press reported.

Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley told AP that police shot at eight people who had guns, killing five or six.

The Army Corps of Engineers told AP that 14 contractors escorted by police were fired upon while crossing the Danziger Bridge, which spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

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Initial AP reports had wrongly indicated that the contractors themselves were shot by police; no other details were immediately available.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/katrina.impact/index.html

[ornotna]

1. Link here too

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBZJT5W7DE.html

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[bpilgrim]

3. who has the motivation to shoot folks repairing the levee?

the same folks who cut the emergency phone lines :shrug:

peace

[NorthernSpy]

5. good question...

That, and the constant alterations of the most basic details of this story make me wonder whether we'll ever know the straight of it.

[guruoo]

9. Story has lots of holes

For instance, what would be the motivation of
8 people to work together in attacking an appairently
heavly armed police escorted convoy?
And if the contractor-police group was ambushed,
as the story seems to imply, how did the 'good guys'
avoid any casualties?
Now in the audio news clip we hear that police
'chased down' the 8 attackers before killing them.
It just doen't add up.

[aikoaiko]

11. As my gun nut friends sometimes say,

"some people need killin'"

[Zynx]

35. Gang members who hate New Orleans police?

[bpilgrim]

4. WDSU Report 2 min ago -------------- ------------- > MP3

What we think we know...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=0

more audio on katrina...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=97

peace

[IndianaGreen]

6. New Orleans turns attention to its dead (Shooting in NO)

As authorities struggled to keep order, police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said.

Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six.

Fourteen contractors were traveling across the Danziger Bridge under police escort when they came under fire, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers. None of the contractors was killed, Hall said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/

An earlier story about COE contractors being shot was locked, as was a repost of the same story. Per LBN rules, I cannot post as thread title something that is not the actual headline of story.

Sorry Lori...

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[xchrom]

8. so the army corps of engineers doesn't know if they

were shot at -- and the police don't know if the people they pursued had anything to do with the alleged shooting.

the very definition of not knowing one's ass froma hole in the ground.

[Roy]

10. The "GUNMEN" strikes again.

This term triggers my automatic skepticism alarm everytime.

It is usually used to cover up the killing of people they themselves feel probably shouldn't have been killed. Or of folks there may be a question about if true identity and prior acts are learned.

This story has been from all were armed to one was armed and back again.
Beware when auto-demeaning non-descript labels are applied to humans.

If they thought they did good, the perts names, photos, police records and past bad deeds, and statements about the heroic acts from from the intended victims would be plastered all over the news. Like trophies and a testament to what a good job is being done there under tough conditions.

[Peace Patriot]

13. Yup, I agree. This story smells to high heaven. All we know is they've

got some dead, shot up bodies they don't have a reasonable, coherent explanation for, and sounds they're making things up as they go along. As someone upthread said, a lone "gunman" or even a gang of "gunmen" would be very, very unlikely to attack an armed convoy. If they did, they must be crazed. Dehydration can make you crazy real fast--and god knows whatall else is going on, like water-borne disease, starvation, or PTSS. Sounds more like people may have been approaching them for help, and they--crazed, trigger-happy, scared, torture-is-okay-by-us-Bush brainwashed troops, or badass Titan/Halliburton death squad types from Iraq, gunned people down for little or no cause, and they're trying to figure out a good story to tell.

Even if someone DID wield a weapon (or what looked like a weapon?), or fired a shot or shots, what could be the justification for shooting 5 or 6 people dead, or however many bodies they've got?

I suppose it's possible that some mad gang did it--but it sure sounds like B.S.

Another question: What was this armed convoy of engineers really up to?

[henslee]

18. Just heard it on news too -- my first reaction, something dont add up

about the story.

[unrepuke]

20. "Contractors" - that's what they call the mercenaries in Iraq. Makes it

sound like repairmen. With grease guns.

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[guruoo]

14. There was a message here about it...

but it was deleted, Lori. Looked like a composite post of several back and forth exchanges regarding LBN rules. I couldn't make heads or tails of it.

[guruoo]

15. Now you're question...

has been deleted.

Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Sep-04-05 07:21 PM
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12. I broke this hours ago on LBN, and it was locked, ? Does anyone know why?


Thanks.

Lori Price

[Lori Price CLG]

17. Actually, I simply posted that 8 people were shot on the bridge by the

police, at 4:58PM EST. The contractor theories emerged later.

Lori Price

[guruoo]

19. I don't know what's going on, but...

like they say, 'it ain't the crime, it's the coverup'.


Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Sep-04-05 07:37 PM
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17. Actually, I simply posted that 8 people were shot on the bridge by the


police, at 4:58PM EST. The contractor theories emerged later.

Lori Price

[hippywife]

16. Something isn't right about this story, Lori.

It has changed so many times and people seem to be getting very jumpy about it. I wonder if the true story is out there now or was out there correctly first and was purposely changed. I'm not usually a tin foiler but I'm starting to not trust much anymore.

[Lori Price CLG]

25. Yup, my guess is that it was correct at first and then purposely changed it

as they realized the outrage that the facts would engender.
Lori

[guruoo]

21. Reuters: 4 looters were killed Sat. AM????

1 hour, 39 minutes ago

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - New Orleans police shot and killed four men and wounded one on Saturday after looters fired on officers, a policeman said.

The incident on Saturday morning, as the city began to clean up from the devastation of hurricane Katrina, resulted in four fatalities and one person in critical condition, said one policeman who asked not to be named. No police were wounded.

"Five men who were looting exchanged gunfire with police. The officers engaged the looters when they were fired upon," said superintendent of New Orleans police, Steven Nichols.
<snip>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050904/ts_nm/shooting_dc

[guruoo]

22. Reuters corrects date - now says looters killed Sunday

CORRECTED: Five men shot by New Orleans police,


Reuters logo Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:44 p.m. ET

(Corrects day of incident)

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - New Orleans police shot and killed four men and wounded one on Sunday after looters fired on officers, a policeman said.

The incident on Sunday morning, as the city began to clean up from the devastation of hurricane Katrina, resulted in four fatalities and one person in critical condition, said one policeman who asked not to be named. No police were wounded.

<snip>
http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1085442&tw=wn_wire_story

[NorthernSpy]

26. why do they keep changing the story?

At this point, I hope they don't expect anyone to put much faith in this report.

Having released so many conflicting variations on the same incident, the authorities have created a real credibility problem for themselves.

[mcg]

23. Some New Orleans history...

The gunmen supposedly fired at the contractors, yet no contractors were injured. That might be true, but I wonder.

A little history about New Orleans:

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/police/uspo93.htm

"After a white officer was killed in November 1980, mobs of police officers went on a rampage in Algiers, a black section of town, killing four and injuring as many as fifty residents. Some of the victims were tortured, including two who were dragged to swamps where the officers carried out mock executions. ..."

[Swamp Rat]

28. I'm from New Orleans and I have never heard of this.

My father, a sociologist who has worked in crimiology for 40 years in New Orleans said he never heard of this either. I can find no references to this event in any major newspaper, nor in any online crime database. Do you have a newspaper clipping or have you seen this on microfiche? I am interested in the origin of this story.

[bemildred]

29. That seems to be from Human Rights Watch.

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/police/uspo93.htm

[oscarmitre]

37. Looks like something happened then

The Police Association of New Orleans mentions it:

History Continued

However, tragedy rocked the New Orleans Police Department with the cold blood killing of Officer Gregory Neupert in late 1980. This senseless killing turned into the landmark case of the Algiers 7. PANO began and aggressive fund raising effort for the legal defense of seven New Orleans Police Officers who were to stand trial in Dallas, Texas, and Board members in New Orleans coordinated witnesses, flying them in and out daily to testify for the best defense possible. To everyone's disbelief, this month-long trial resulted in three Officers convicted of Civil Rights violation serving five years in the federal penitentiary.

http://www.pano1544.com/history2.html

[Jose Diablo]

24. Gosh, could the gunmen that opened fire on the COE workers

have been mercs maybe? And 'friendly fire' stopped another reason for a Fed takeover?

You know, I've heard here on DU something similar happened in Iraq when assets tried to plant WMD in Iraq, but they got killed before they could finish the covert plan. And thats why Plame was outed, as was that front company and of course the British guy was found dead. What was his name? David Kelly or something like that.

Yes, I know, tinfoil is too tight. Still, strange things are happening right now. Have been all last week.

Edit: I imagine Ms. Miller could shed light on that Iraq deal. She was supposed to 'find' the WMD in Iraq. Shame she missed out the scoup ya know. Real pity.

[Catrina]

27. Blackwater supposedly is there

or got a contract for security. Another example of criminals getting promotions and rewards from this criminal administration.

Maybe the 'contractors' were from Blackwater. If so, we can expect killings and even torture, here in the US, as well as Iraq.

I agree with you about Judith Miller ~ she could tell a lot, which is probably why she chose jail, rather than have the criminals she was working for think she might talk.

[leetrisck]

30. Here we go again - Blackwater - mention the word

contractor and everyone says oooooh Blackwater! Does anyone have any eartly idea how many contractors are in New Orleans and Iraq and Afghanistan. Thousands and thousands and the ones they are talking about are the Army Corps of Engineers - how anybody gets Blackwater out of that is beyond me.

[Roy]

31. Maybe they looked here!

And if people check before attacking they wouldn't look so 'moranish'.

This is probably the purpose for all the rumors. If they were able to take control from the Governor, then the rumors would give the cover to send in Blackwater (after giving them the customary blanket immunity).

This imo is why it took so long to send in guard, with private security they did not have to short Iraq.
But this damn un american Governor stood in their way.

(snip)
Security firms deploy to New Orleans
Blackwater, Steele Foundation head to hurricane-hit area
By August Cole, MarketWatch
Last Update: 5:30 PM ET Sept. 2, 2005

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The disorder and destruction that followed Hurricane Katrina has drawn in security firms to New Orleans to help with rescue and recovery efforts as well as safeguarding clients there.
(end snip)

Security firms Deploy to New Orleans

[leetrisck]

32. Yes, some people might not look

so moranish if they looked in certain places. You sound as if you think Blackwater will take control of what? I know what Blackwater does as do a lot of other companies - so many sound like this one contractor is all over the place shooting people and that just isn't the case. Just keep the ole rumors going - you sound so intelligent versus moranish.So who should the companies call for security?? Anyone that works as a contractor is a contractor and that includes many people sitting behind a desk on their ass.

[Roy]

33. you knew, but berate the poster for saying what you knew?

Wow!!!!!

Now I'm supposed to engage in a circular argument with you trying to prove that I didn't say what I didn't say? Thanks, but no thanks.

As for your questioning the poster being moranish. Well, there we can agree to disagree. We report you decide and all that rot. ya know?

[leetrisck]

34. Oh like from the "gossip station"

ya know?

[guruoo]

36. The scenario still doesn't

smell any better than it did 24 hours ago.
Foreign media's still reporting the original version.
CNN headline news reported that police chased down
the suspects before killing them.

Constructors for the Army Killed by Police in New Orleans
Zaman Online, Turkey - 5 hours ago
By Anadolu News Agency (aa). It is revealed that among the armed people killed by police on a bridge in New Orleans, were US constructors working for the army. ...
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&trh=20050906&hn=23706