Hillary Clinton calls for 9/11-type 'Katrina Commission'

[wicket]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050905/sc_afp/usweatherclinton_050905134442

US Senator Hillary Clinton has urged President George W. Bush to set up a "Katrina Commission" to probe the government's response to the killer hurricane that has ravaged New Orleans and its surroundings, possibly killing thousands of people.

In a letter sent to the president Sunday, the wife of former president Bill Clinton said the panel should be fashioned after the 9/11 Commission that investigated the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

"It has become increasingly evident that our nation was not prepared," Clinton said in the letter. She added that the slow pace of relief efforts "seems to confirm that our ability to respond to cataclysmic disasters has not been adequately addressed."

Clinton said she also planned to propose legislation to separate the Federal Emergency Management Agency from the Department of Homeland Security and convert it into a cabinet-level agency.

[mourningdove92]

1. Step 1.

[niceypoo]

8. Bush will do a "911" on it and block investigation

All efforts to investigate failures will be blocked until after the midterms. True number of dead will be withheld because it "emboldens the enemy".

[Kire]

20. how do you embolden a hurricane?

by rejecting the Kyoto treaty, perhaps?

[Turbineguy]

61. Attack the North and South Poles Now!

use nuclear weapons to stop the ice melting.

[Imagevision]

87. Or attempt to have his cronies head it up...like last time.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

2. Now that's a step in the right direction

since there is nothing Bush could have done wrong that he didn't do wrong.

[msongs]

3. she oughta take a plane full of supplies to NO or MS and DO something

ya know prayer is fine for some but the people who need help want it to come from real live humans NOW.

the white wash comission can wait for another day of blathering.

Msongs
www.msongs.com

[short bus president]

4. screw that, Hillary

I call for the Congress to be Katrina Commission and do its feckin' job for once. No further business should transpire in either house 'til this nation is SAFE FROM GROSS INCOMPETENCE in our critical security infrastructure. That means no Roberts hearings 'til Chertoff and Brown and gone and replaced. And while you're at it, how 'bout you look into the person who keeps appointing all these incompetents? This leadership vacuum sucks from the top down.

[peacetalksforall]

50. If Congress asked for Congress to investigate, I can tell you exactly

what would happen - all the red state representatives would agree that it has to be investigated and pretend matching outrage. Then, it would get buried, thanks to DeLay and Frist and the regime. It would fizzle out as many people find a roof over their heads.

Congress = washout. The same thing can happen if the wrong people are put on a investigative commission.

[short bus president]

83. my point is that we do not have time for a commission

there are just under two more months of hurricane season ahead of us. We cannot afford to have incompetents running the emergency agencies when the next one hits.

[Peace Patriot]

91. higher class, how do you know how "red" states voted? The 2004 election

...was completely non-transparent and unverifiable, with two Bushite electronic voting machine companies (Diebold and ES&S) "counting" 80% of the nation's votes, using SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code. The "results" derived from these secret formulae were then fed through an AP computer to the TV networks, who proceeded to "adjust" their own independent exit polls (Kerry won) to fit the secret, proprietary "result" (Bush won). The corporate news monopolies thus deprived the American people of major evidence of election fraud--the independent exit polls.

I'm not going to judge any state "red" or "blue" until we have transparent elections. Really and truly, we don't KNOW how they voted.

And there is overwhelming exterior evidence that the "result" we got from Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae was wrong!

Got to change this, folks. Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor,' I say!

-----

"...all the red state representatives would agree that it has to be investigated and pretend matching outrage." --higher class

Note: And many in Congress have ALSO been "selected" by Diebold and ES&S secret vote tabulation formulae.

[peacetalksforall]

95. You're right, we don't know how to call it because we acceded our

rights to corporations who built and controlled the machines and the exit polling and the right to call the votes. Not just any corporations - right wing corporations led by politicans (Hagel for one) owning the voting machines and right wing supposedly news corporations controlling the exit polling, analysis, and calls.

We are cripples trying to say something and do something and a Commission by our leaders keeps us crippled.

We need a Commission by the people. Those leaders are supposed to be by us, for us, of us - BUT WE KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE. THERE IS BARELY ANYONE OF OUR 'LEADERS' THAT WE CAN TRUST.

WE HAVE BEEN H A D BY OUR LEADERS AND THEY CANNOT EVEN CONDUCT A COMMISSION.

[Riverman]

88. Agree - No compromise by Dems - Demand Resignations Now

No damn commissions - just a pretext for doing nothing! As a result of the phony 9/11 commission - has one federal official been fired! Not one! Most have been promoted for their crimminal negligence.

As a life long Democrat I will never vote for Hillary - a republican in drag, like Leiberman!

The only solution is for the Senate to Demand the resignation of the entire Bush Administration. Stop all confirmations of Bush court appointees at all levels, block all Bush Administration legislation.

Bush is at his lowest point, time for the Dems to not let him up off the mat. Fight God Dammit!

The only way to make the Dems and Senate to have courage is for us to hit the streets.

[Peace Patriot]

93. "As a life long Democrat I will never vote for Hillary..."

Well, to be realistic, you had better get ready for Hillary to be your only choice--or someone with similar views and corporate/war ties. The DLC, and the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, will not permit any other choice. And we have lost control of the tabulation of our votes to two rightwing corporations, Diebold and ES&S--which will be the condition in the primaries as well as in the general election in 2008.

I've been thinking about this a lot. Neither the Dem establishment nor the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, nor, of course, the Bushite overlords, are going to permit any true antiwar populist to be nominated by either major party in '08. And our elections are completely non-transparent and unverifiable. We have in fact suffered a coup by the War Party--given the Dem Party leaders' utter silence about Bushites controlling the vote count with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code. That's what it amounts to. With the War Democrats, though, we have the advantage that they need to pay lip service to progressive values--such as honest elections. This might help us get the election system reformed, so that we can gradually get our country and our democracy back, as we achieve honest vote counts in various places, and begin electing true representatives of the people.

When Hillary, or Joe Biden, or whomever they select for us, expands the war in the Middle East and institutes military conscription (goals of the War Party that the Bushites cannot accomplish--what little political cache the Bushites have left, they're clearly going to spend on trying to pack the Supreme Court), it's going to be sorely tempting to disrupt the War Dem administration. The Bushites will also probably be successful at shifting blame for the mess in Iraq and for coming economic depression, and tax hikes, on whatever War Democrat has been put in place--and the combo of these things will set the stage for Jeb in '12, which will be the end of our democracy.

We have to try to prevent this--destruction of a War Democrat administration ('08-'12)--until we can get sufficient election reform in place to reclaim our country.

Whichever of the War Democrats that the DLC and Diebold and ES&S choose for our president in '08, we (the majority of Americans) will probably be better off than we are now, for a short time. They will likely promise NOT to loot Social Security, and, with tax hikes, they might be able to ease our burdens a bit. But we must not be lulled. And we very much need to set the best priorities. Election reform is PRIORITY #1. Without transparent elections--elections that are conducted in the PUBLIC venue (not by private rightwing corporations with secret formulae! --jeez), there is simply no hope for any real change. We don't have the power. We've essentially lost our right to vote. And we MUST fix this, while we still have that the chance to do so. Priority #2 is probably busting up the news monopolies (getting back some control of our public airwaves).

Riverman, I've made statements like this in the past (i.e., "I will never vote for Hillary). In fall '02, I swore that I would never vote for ANYONE who voted for the Iraq war. Come 2004, I voted for Kerry (who had voted for the war), primarily because I saw a wonderful grass roots movement developing to oust the Bush Cartel, and I wanted that movement to succeed. It meant that we would have a president beholden to the grass roots antiwar majority (not just of the Democratic Party, but of the whole country--lots of evidence for this; most Americans opposed the war). And the theft of that election was one of the biggest political tragedies I've ever witnessed!

Circumstances change fast. I was given no choice--and Kerry is a decent, intelligent guy. If you're faced with a choice of Dick Cheney, or Jeb Bush, or Chuck Hagel (who became a Senator on votes counted by his own electronic voting machine company), or other outright fascists, vs. Hillary Clinton, what are you going to do? Not vote? I expect you'll probably vote for Hillary, like we all will.

We just have to be smarter about this compromise THIS time. We have to USE it to get our democracy back!

We also have to fully realize that our votes are not being counted correctly--and that our choices of candidates, and the vote totals, and all of it, is highly manipulated. As Stalin said, it's who COUNTS the votes that matters, not who votes or what they vote for. Do you KNOW who is counting your votes? --among others, the guy who chaired the Bush/Cheney campaign in Ohio (Diebold CEO Wally O'Dell)! --with "trade secret" vote tabulation software!

[Sterling]

97. "This might help us get the election system reformed"

Why would you think the same people who let our elections be tampered with would help us get them back? Please. The DLC is a scam, they are as invested in this fake system as Bush.


I won't take part in any effort to support these people.

[bemildred]

5. Oh, goody, another government whitewash commission. nt

[donsu]

14. the very same thing I was thinking

nt

[MindPilot]

6. A little too little just a little too late

We don't need * to do anything except get the hell out.

[TahitiNut]

7. Congress cannot review the action for six months.

Executive Order and Law provide that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation ... in a "post-9/11 world."

[Algorem]

9. Hillary kicks off coverup.blah.

[KoKo]

10. Right.....while hubby hob nobs with Poppy....we could expect to have

a "real" commission...Give me a break.

[Melodybe]

11. puke

[Miss Chybil]

13. You always want to be closest to the people who could hurt you

the most. Ask a horse owner. A kick is much less likely, or damaging, the closer you stand to the animal. Ask a boxer. When they're being pummeled, they hug their opponent to lessen the force of the blows. Bill Clinton is a master at diplomacy. Diplomacy is the only thing that will save this country now, from others and ourselves.

[anitar1]

69. Oh, yes , yes. I am tired of waiting for so called Dem

"leaders". DLC people are not to be trusted.

[Sterling]

98. "they hug their opponent to lessen the force of the blows"

No they don't. Fighters clinch to rest but in fact a blow from short or middle range is far harder to defend .and has A greater danger of landing a KO.ind the fighters are seperated when too much clinching occurs.

Besides this has nothing to do with the Clintons doing the BFEE's clean up work for them.

[Yavin4]

12. Condi Rice Will Testify That They Had No Warning

The satellite phots of the approaching hurricane were a historic document.

[Placebo]

15. Some of you in this thread are so bitter and cruel.

If it was Dean or Barbara Boxer suggesting this action be taken, this thread would be nothing but praise.

Attach the Hillary name to it, and suddenly it's ridiculed and knocked down.

:puke:

[bemildred]

16. You don't know me from Adam, Sir.

And I can assure you I would ridicule it under all circumstances.
Now if someone were to suggest an independent prosecutor with
funding and personnel of the sort required, then I would applaud.

[jrthin]

55. Agreed. And where

the fuck was Hillary when shit was hitting the fan? Waiting to see which direction the shit would blow in b4 she spoke out? As my senator, I'm disgusted by her actions or lack thereof.

[Liberal Veteran]

18. Actually, I am more concerned about the "9/11 type" than Hillary.

I predict the commission will find mistake made at somewhere other than directly on the administration, probably Brown but no higher...they'll pretty much gloss over the horrible truth of incompetent appointments, that person that gets the lion's share of the blame will retire "to spend more time with his family" and Bush will award him the Medal of Freedom just to pour salt in the angry wound.

[Child_Of_Isis]

27. Don't forget the book.

The "commission" will publish the report in a book and sell it to the people.

[rateyes]

47. Especially if the Repigs are "in the majority."

I wonder how Hillary voted on the budget that cut funding on the levees in NO. Anybody know?

[journalist3072]

25. Thank you! I was thinking the same thing!

Really, Hillary can't win with some of the folks on here. They accuse her of being a DLC/Repug-Lite type.

And then, when she speaks out against this administration, they say she's just grandstanding or something.

It's pathetic.

The people on here who criticize Sen. Clinton need to take a look at the things she is doing, such as trying to get through voting reform legislation that among other things, would call for the restoration of voting rights for ex-felons, and call for a holiday during federal (i.e. Presidential) elections. Since when is that a Republican idea?

[LivingInTheBubble]

29. She is a right winger.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/friedman200505251257.asp

[journalist3072]

30. Couldn't disagree more

The issues and the values that Sen. Clinton trumpets are not right-wing values at all. Think about it.

- One of the things she has constantly preached is that "it takes a village." She believes that it takes families, church leaders, schools, etc all working together to make life better for our children. To ensure they have clean water to drink, and health care. The right-wing doesn't believe it takes a village. They think it takes a family and that is it. They believe 'every person for him/herself'. Just look at Bush's African-American HUD Secretary, Alphonso Jackson. Last year, he was explaining that he was advising Bush on the Black vote in the election. And he said he told Bush to concentrate his efforts on younger Blacks, and forget about older Blacks who came of age during the civil rights movement. He said "You can't rise as a class. You have to rise individually. It's what many of the civil rights people don't understand."

- Like I mentioned before, look at the voting legislation that Sen. Clinton wants to move forward. Since when have you heard of any right-wingers who called for restoring the voting rights of ex-felons who have paid their debt to society? Since when have you heard a right-winger call for making Election Day a holiday?

- Also look at what Sen. Clinton tried to do with healthcare. The right-wing raked her over the coals for it, and made those awful Harry and Louise ads which were full of lies.

[Amonester]

62. The Swiftboatliars will paint her a Flip-flopper like they did Kerry.

From the link given (if it is true), they sure will point out the following into smearing ads, won't they?

They'll say something like: "First, she was for the Palestinians." And they'll cite something like this: "First Lady Clinton "held several White House Muslim holiday receptions to which individuals opposed to the Mideast peace process and Israel's existence were invited."

Then, they'll accuse her of being a Flip-flopper as they will cite (more or less) this next one: "Unlike her fellow Democrat Nancy Pelosi, who spoke at AIPAC’s gala dinner the night before, Clinton was hard on the Palestinians specifically."


Kerry wasn't their first "victim" and unfortunately, probably not their last.

[journalist3072]

63. You're right in that...

The Swift-boat typers would paint her as a flip-flopper.

But, there is one huge difference: unlike John Kerry, Hillary Clinton will respond. And she won't wait for a month or two to respond, either.

Hillary has shown herself to be born and bred in the heat of the battle. And she responds to attacks before they even really get to form.

[Amonester]

64. Let's wish she will. But these criminal thugs are experts at

lying, distorting, hiding, cheating, robbing, bullying, suiciding (others...), murdering, and blackmailing, so nothing is certain for sure.

I'd personally prefer candidates who cannot be intimidated in any single way by these criminals. Even if it's just me.

[journalist3072]

68. Trust me, I don't think she's intimidated at all

One of my favorite stories about Hillary Clinton, comes from Gail Sheehey.

I remember an interview with Gail Sheehey. She said she was with Hillary Clinton on the 1992 campaign plane, when the Gennifer Flowers story broke. And Sheehey said what she saw was the most amazing thing in her life.

She said Hillary instantly went into battle mode. She talked to her aides, saying "Get Bill on the phone; we're going to fight this." And she said Hillary said "If I had Gennifer on the witness stand now, I'd crucify her, pointing out the inconsistencies in her story."

And I also remember reading that Hillary Clinton was the one to told President Clinton he HAD to respond to the non-scandals that popped up (i.e. Travelgate). She told him that you have to respond, b/c if you don't the American people will believe what they are being told by the Repugs is the truth.

Bottom line: she will not take their crap lying down.

[Sterling]

100. "families, church leaders, schools, etc all working together"

Sounds like a fundy to me. I want all of these things sepreated as much as possible.

[journalist3072]

105. What is so wrong with everyone working together?

The point she was trying to make, is that we ALL have a vested interest in the lives of our children. Families can't do it alone.

And she's right. I remember as a child growing up, that I had neighbors looking out for me as I came home from school. For example, if I somehow left my key at home in the morning, I had a neighbor's house to go to, where I would be safe until my mother came home.

I had church leaders also looking out for my spiritual well being.

That's all Hillary was trying to say---it takes a community of people to raise a happy, healthy, and hopeful child.

[stevedeshazer]

48. Nonsense.

Why the hell do we need a commission?

I don't care if Jesus H. Christ proposed it. What good is it?

[MisterP]

52. because we were told, in '02, that she had a "secret plan" to turn Iraq to

the Dems' advantage. Then the '04 election. And now...

[artemisia1]

78. Could it be because she's established a reputation for opportunism? nt

[mntleo2]

81. Some Of Us Have Issues With Hillary, Ok?

It has nothing to do with baking cookies, helmet hair, Whitewater, or any of that.

It has to do with the fact she is with the DNC idiots who think it is fine to have a racist on the Supreme Court, an illegal war, and that there are more poor welfare queens other than the ones wearing cashmier suits.

Yes I am bitter, I think the woman doesn't get it ~ after all she was a Republican once and it often shows....

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle
P.S. I would not care if this proposal is from Boxer or even the DBC (whom I think are our real leaders anyway), it would just be a dog and pony show and anyone proposing it, knows it.

[Tiggeroshii]

92. What's the DBC? n/t

[Sterling]

99. Cry me a river for HC

Yawn. She has earned our disgust.

[ElectroPrincess]

17. These "commissions" function ONLY as a big white wash

We're screwed until the Democratic Party is gutted (by many not showing up at the polls) and rebuilt from the foundation up.

We have many dark days ahead.

Hell, I hope Hillary Clinton does not get re-elected to NY State much less run for President.

These wealthy power brokers are disgusting ... :puke:

[paulk]

85. you want the Democratic Party gutted

you want Hillary Clinton to lose her Senate seat

and who elected in her place?

a Republican?

'cause that will be the choice...

why are you here?

really?

why do you spend all your time on this website spreading hatred for Democrats and the Democratic Party?

What are you trying to accomplish with posts like this?

[Riverman]

89. Not Gutted - Dems need to get Guts!

I am a life long democrat and want my party to fight! The primary difference between Republicans and Democrats is that we have empathy. Republicans are sociopathic in their indifference. Their greed immmoral. I want democrats who will fight not act like republican lights, afraid that they will upset someone, lose the votes of the middle class! Take a look around capitulation has resulted in the shrinkage of the middle class, increases in poverty rates, reduction of health care for full-time workers, jobs shipped overseas, seniors chosing between life sustaining drugs and food, housing and gas costs getting out of sight for most working families, and now they send our children to fight for our freedom, our security. And the Democrats voted for most of that. The Republicans have been strong in large measure because the Democrats, especially the Democratic Leadership Council, the Clintons' baby, have been so weak, so wishywashy, so unwilling to fight. I say any Democrat who colludes with the Bush Administation should be run out of the Democratic Party. Let's build new leadership. We can't wait the republican administration are killing us! We can't wait! Fight now!

[Sterling]

101. "you want the Democratic Party gutted"

Where the hell have you been, that happened a long time ago and HC is a symptom of that gutting.

[Gregorian]

19. Sorry. It's going to take a revolution to get our country back.

Conservatives aren't going to compromise. They're that stubborn.

They represent the interests of those who don't include everyone. They will not allow justice for all. But what I now realize is that they are so stubborn that if we want the country to be what it was intended to be, we will have to wrest their grasp away from it.

He was AWOL in 1972
He did steal the elections
He is only the tip of the corrupt iceberg
He sat during 9/11, just like he responded to the emergency in New Orleans.
And probably worst of all- the patriot act.
The list is too long.
Had he smoked a joint in public, he'd be in jail. Why he isn't behind bars yet is testament to the grip they have on every branch of this once decent country.


Everything you feared, is true.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. Yeah Hillary..America needs another whitewash of a catastrophe

[Abathar]

22. Be carefull what you wish for

Hillary, who do you think the fingers will be pointing to? Your husband will get this dumped on him so fast your head will spin, just watch.

[Name removed]

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[Prisoner_Number_Six]

24. Jeez, I hope it's NOT "fashioned after the 9/11 Commission"!!!

I'd rather have an UNBIASED panel for this one.......

[bunny planet]

26. Yea right, that 9/11 commission was so honest and informative.

:sarcasm:

[CityDem]

28. Hey Hillary -- don't stick your neck out too far

Really bold move to ask for a blue ribbon commission. Why can't she stand up and take a definitive stand -- this is a major screw up and Bush and the repubs are responsible.

[gizmo1979]

31. when has a commission ever

changed anything?Some harsh words,couple of million down the tubes same guys in charge.Save your breath.

[PurgedVoter]

32. Commission, we don't need no stinking commission,

The facts are bare, we need a trial.
Bush-co wanted complete control of New Orleans. He performed brinkmanship, by keeping other services out while negotiating for complete control. He prevented people from receiving rescue and aid, while maneuvering for control. His cabal of henchmen set up the conditions for this disaster. He and his cabal deserve justice.
Any politician, who does not look for this information, receive the information, and act on this information, must be considered inept to the point of incompetence, complicit in the crime, or cowed in fear by the regime. They must not be allowed to feed off and control the public welfare any longer. Mercy may be acceptable toward these criminals, but further lenience is not.

[jus_the_facts]

33. for what it's worth....what's it worth?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=155&topic_id=2340

[Patsy Stone]

34. Bill said it this morning, too,

during his appearance with Poppy.

[Pepperbelly]

35. So far ... the Clintons, Al Gore, Gov Blanco, Mayor Nagin,

and Senator Landreau have all stood up with concerns for the poorest of the people involved as well as the rest of America.

Where are all the firebrand lefties?

I read Kucinich's remark. I believe it was aimed at playing politics rather than helping these people. Where is Nader? Where are all of these guys that live, breathe and LOVE the poor people?

[jus_the_facts]

36. you left off Jessie Jackson who came down here personally....

....don't know how much he got on the *news* but he was here and he was pissed off...from what little I watched without cable.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=155&topic_id=2340

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=3954289

[karynnj]

45. From some of the comments,

it sounds like many elected officials are doing things behind the scenes to try to do what they can to help, using either the powers they have through their positions or as leaders. Many states and cities have offered and are sending personnel and equiptment to help.

Senators are informing people of how to help people and helping through their official roles when possible. Sens Landrieu and Kerry (as ranking member on the Small Business Committee) asked that the small businesses be given an additional 6 months to apply for disaster loans, rather than the end of Oct deadline - this is not heroic, but is how they are doing their jobs in a way that will help many people. John and Teresa Kerry, also called Lott (per Lott's comment) and got information on open airports, probably to facilitate aid in some way. I would guess that there are probably about 100 Senators looking for ways to help and calling on any resource they have.

[MisterP]

74. oh, so now Gore's a moderate?

Michelle Malkin wants Brown out; let's run her for President! Bill said there was no way anyone coulda seen the levees break: Nagin, Blanco, and Landrieu are staring this disaster in the face and can't pretend their way around it; I praise them because they are now being "firebrands"--Landrieu wants to punch Bush, for Pete's sake!

[Pepperbelly]

77. why would you go and ...

make such a disingenious post? Personally, I do not give a shit why or whether you praise anyone. In fact, rhetoric such as yours is pushing me in exactly the opposite direction.

[MisterP]

79. sorry if I struck you badly--it was the heat of the moment

if a large part of Boise blew up, Kempthorne, Crapo, and Craig would go after FEMA if they sat around and let the "People's Republic of Ada" subside into the ground; point is, it's not true that they're criticizing Bush because they're moderate, but because they're on scene and personally involved: they've been radicalized, and that's no obstacle to opposing *--in fact, it's the first step

[Sterling]

102. Since when does the media go running to Nader to comment on this kind of

thing, same for DK. The sell outs are the ones with the mic, that's how it's set up. Enjoy your corporate approved spokes people.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

37. Will Bush sit on Cheney's lap again while they testify off the record?

I appreciate the gesture, but history makes me a little less than optimistic.

[Montauk6]

56. "Testify?... I'd sit down and talk with them... I don't mind doing that."

"But I'm more of a WAR President."

[ima_sinnic]

38. oh BLAH BLAH BLAH--no! we do not need a "commission"

that He Who Shall Remain Nameless will "appoint" so we can get another load of horse hockey in their "final report."
This is far far worse than that. This needs a Special Prosecutor. Heads really need to roll this time. If they won't do it, We The People will get it done.

[katsy]

39. We already have a Katrina Commission.

It's called The Court of Public Opinion.

1. Get off your high heels Hillary.

2. Put on your boxing gloves.

3. Meet the Enemy.

4. Defeat them.

OUT IN THE OPEN. We don't need a stinking behind closed door commission. WE WILL JUDGE.

[natrat]

40. thanks hillary great idea you fucking putz

[LunaSea]

41. eeeennnnk!

Sorry, the answer we wanted was "indictment"
Thank you for playing.

[karynnj]

42. Obviously political move

Hillary is making the issue National Preparedness - which translates to strong national security - her issue. Bill Clinton, annoyingly argued that the Democrats had to be strong on National defense and said Kerry wasn't and Hillary is. Many other Democrats already implied this is step 2, after dealing with the immediate desparate needs of people. Hillary clearly wanted to be seen as the first to ask for this. (Although I heard more BEFORE the storm on emergency planning from Lautenberg and Kerry.)

People here who were saying that we need to be bashing Bush on this, are really more in line with Hillary then with Democrats arguing to save people first. She has positioned herself between the Democrats who are pointing to Bush's lack of response and those who are refraining from politics and trying to help. (I realize there are some doing both - so she may not be successful in getting to be the center) Leave it to the Clintons to seek the middle position. (I hope she is also trying to help get aid even if not as personally as Gore.)

[Sterling]

103. "which translates to strong national security - her issue"

That is too funny, I almost sprayed soda out my nose.

[leesa]

43. AKA 'The Cover-up'

[Pithy Cherub]

44. 9/11 Comission was oh so effective in having their recommendations

implemented. The 9/11 families are just raving at how that went. And yep the Executive Director for that travesty was a friend of Condi's and Bush's. Yes, Hillary, one JUST like that...:sarcasm:

[natrat]

46. how about a comitte to study how the executions should be carried out

[killbotfactory]

49. And it should be headed by Oliver North and Kissinger...

that's the only way to make sure it is fair.

[Sven77]

51. fema head will be the scape-goat

"An unmitigated, total fucking disaster." That's not a quote from Mike Brown, but rather, a quote describing him. And most disturbingly, it's not even a reference to his dismal performance as director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). This blunt critique was emailed to me from a regular reader who was apparently attracted to HorsesAss.org by her passion for politics and her love of Arabian horses.

I think I've told you that I'm into Arab horses. Well, for 3 years Michael Brown was hired and then fired by our IAHA, the International Arabian Horse Assoc. He was an unmitigated, total fucking disaster. I was shocked as hell when captain clueless put him in charge of FEMA a couple of years ago.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/2/34622/68348

as for hilary, i believe there is no two party system. its all theater. they are on the same sides, fake left/right. the new whitewash commission will get nothing done if bush appoints the leaders again. did anyone watch the 9-11 commission review response on C-Span with Cynthia McKinney ? that was as close as we're gonna get to uncovering the betrayal of our goverment.

[JustSayNO 2 Sheeples]

54. Yes, Brown will take one on the chin for George

Followed by George pinning a medal on him later.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

53. Where to start?

Find out why Dumbyass didn't declare the area a disaster before it struck, like Bill Clinton did when Hugo visited the east coast.

[howmad1]

57. Yep, it will be like mating elephants.

Lots of screaming, hollering and yelling. And the conclusion? Nothing to see here, move along.

[Amonester]

66. Or (sadly) "Case's closed: Get over it." - eom

[jmc777]

58. Commission findings (sneak preview)

Just two...

1) "The Government did a good job."

2) "We need more Government."

[bemildred]

59. 3.) The little people fucked up. nt

[Catchawave]

60. 4) It was hard work

[NYC Liberal]

65. How about we investigate what Bush should've done

and what he didn't do....at the impeachment hearings!

[lateo]

67. Appoint Herny Kissenger to lead it!

You know they will try.

[GeorgeGist]

70. Oh Hillary how daring!

Urging is just what we need from a strong leader?
'US Senator Hillary Clinton has urged President George W. Bush to set up a "Katrina Commission'
:sarcasm:

[Miss Chybil]

71. God forbid anybody call for accountability. Why are so many of you

acting as if this is the wrong thing to do? I suppose if Dennis Kucinich called for it, he'd be praised as the next Messiah. People need to get over the political bullshit at a time like this and WELCOME any help, any calls for accountability, any efforts to improve the situation. Shit somebody was upset on here, a day, or two ago, because they were feeding the hurricane victims McDonald's hamburgers. That attitude is as disgusting as the lack of national response to this disaster in the first place.

[mntleo2]

104. I Respect Your Opinion, I Just Disagree

Why? Because as in the past, nobody will be held accountable and she knows it. I think she is too smart not to know this, since it keeps happening again and again. Hell, I know it and I do not have the education, the access, or the privilege she does. The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. She is not insane. Nobody, not one single person in this administration has paid the price for their hubris and all those previous "commissions" have been ignored and dminished. They are either heralded as a success and SURPRSE! Nothing to see here! Or they are delegated to some obscure place, like Conyer's commission on the voting debacle was moved to a tiny room with no press attention and so it just gets ignored. Every single one of them!

Look, this is not time for another commission. No more putting it off. No more trying to play clueless games of being "moderate" (when it is not even being moderate, it is just being milque toast). It is time for Dems to start shooting from the hip. Again and again and AGAIN Dems react to the sacrifice of Americans by not calling it for what it is immediately: Lies, damn lies and more lies. Her call for another commission is plain and simply weak and she has to know it would just be another show. It is time-consuming and it would only allow the Repigs to "appoint" another clone so they can use a bunch of smoke and mirrors, not allow any real and relevant information to come out, and then laud themselves for doing such a great job.

The Dems have to grow a couple is just the way it is, or they will get these reactions like you see here, because we are just sick of their constant capitulation.

A 20 year wait for some courage is enough! We need some leadership NOW!

Cat In Seattle

[Robeson]

72. Big Cover-up for the Big Easy.

[sakabatou]

73. Good call.

[nicknameless]

75. Why didn't she rent a plane and rescue people like President Gore did?

How about actions instead of speeches

[Name removed]

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[Gyre]

80. Why not? It's worked so well for the 9/11 commission. N/T

[thespiritualzebra]

82. Wow will they get out the red tablecloths and everything?

[HR_Pufnstuf]

84. the coverup has begun.

why hill? so poppy and bill can pick the commission and control its outcome?

[Arkana]

86. And Bush will say "We can't reveal how we get information! BOOOO!"

and everyone will scurry away like worthless peasants.

[Dunvegan]

90. Congress-Schmogress-Regress. No. But I wouldn't mind seeing a Grand Jury

...and a Special Prosecutor getting started right now.

[beetbox]

94. Damage Control is important

when political careers are involved but not when the lives of the poor and dispossessed are endangered.

More PR bullshit.

New Orleans adds a new chapter to the Bush digest of calculated bigotry. While the wealthy white families were able to beat a hasty retreat out of doomed city, the poor and black were left to sink in the toxic stew unleashed by America's greatest natural disaster. 

No one who saw the televised footage of the Convention center and the Superdome had any misgivings about what they were seeing. America's long-lost companion, racial-hatred, had stuck its ugly head up into the camera lens and was pouring out onto living rooms across the land. 

Put this in your report hillary.

[MisterP]

108. 2008 is coming, get out the whitewash!

[Sterling]

96. No thanks

That thing wazs a scam and anything HC is involved in has to be complete damage control for the BFEE, that is what she is paid for.

[Lori Price CLG]

106. Clinton Legislation to Restore Independence to FEMA

Clinton Legislation to Restore Independence to FEMA

Senator Hillary Clinton wants an independent commission to investigate the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina. Clinton is introducing legislation that would also restore independence to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

<snip>

http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/51363

Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/

[yourout]

107. Watch the Pukes howl when this one hits the floor.

No way the Shrub will let that happen.