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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:55 PM
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Troops Seize British-Owned Cattle Ranch in Venezuela
Troops seize British-owned cattle ranch in Venezuela

Jo Tuckman
Saturday September 10, 2005
The Guardian


Venezuelan troops have reportedly seized a huge British-owned cattle ranch as part of an agrarian reform programme targeting large estates that the government says it wants to redistribute to the poor.

Agroflora, a local affiliate of Vestey Group owned by meatpacking tycoon Lord Vestey, said in a statement on Thursday that a convoy of troops and cooperative farmers had arrived at the ranch, which is located in the south-western state of Apure.

<snip>

In its statement, quoted by the Associated Press, the company said the property provided pasture for 8,500 cattle, although some of the land was not usable during the rainy season because of flooding.

<snip>

The president claims that a high proportion of the largest estates in Venezuela were illegally obtained through corruption, before he took office, and that redistribution will help alleviate poverty and improve productivity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,12716,1566851,00.html
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:57 PM
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1. hmmm, last week ketchup, this week beef
I detect a trend.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:02 PM
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4. I think Chavez is having a barbecue.
I hope I'm invited.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:09 AM
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15. This is just too funny!!!
Next he'll be taking over a potato estate for
those famous "Freedom fries"
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:58 PM
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2. Ut-oh
Somebody call Maggie Thatcher. Time to save those cows!!!
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:58 PM
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3. oh lordy... here we go. n/t
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:03 PM
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5. That's just Venezuela's version of eminent domain. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:29 PM
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6. This subject has been discussed exhaustively at D.U.
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 10:32 PM by Judi Lynn
Here are some other threads on the same subject:

Venezuela 'seizes' British ranch
Wed Mar-23-05 10:30 AM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1334709#1335373


Venezuela Declares Ranch Lands Idle, Will Give Them to Poor Farmers
Sun May-15-05 04:38 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1474664#1475191


Venezuelans on edge as government prepares to intervene
Sat Jan-08-05 12:33 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1133268



Venezuelan troops grab farms from "Lord Spam"
Sun Jan-09-05 07:59 AM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1135089


Venezuelan opposition criticizes Chavez's land policy
Tue Aug-31-04 08:32 AM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=789652

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It always helps if you can do reading from multiple sources so you have some understanding of what the dynamics are of the story.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:33 PM
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7. Is the public not responding with the proper level of hysteria?
Is the media trying to think up different ways to tell this story until people start feeling sorry for the super-rich?
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:42 PM
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12. Yes n/t
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:34 PM
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9. Is the public not responding with the proper level of hysteria?


Is the media trying to think up different ways to tell this story until people start feeling sorry for the super-rich?
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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:45 PM
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11. Add this to your copious amount of research
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 10:46 PM by buzzsaw_23
:toast:

How United States Intervention Against Venezuela Works, part 2 of 3
Use of a Private U.S. Corporate Structure to Disguise a Government Program

Thursday, Sep 08, 2005

By: Philip Agee

Part 1: How United States Intervention Against Venezuela Works

Part 2 of 3

C. Venezuela: Some Examples of the Current U.S. Intervention Against the Bolivarian Revolution

The activities of these action agencies in Caracas---IRI, NDI and DAI---take the form of individual project contracts with activities, cost, dates of beginning and end, and some, as in the OTI-DAI contract, with options for extensions. IRI and NDI project descriptions are submitted by their Washington offices to the Department of State, AID/OTI, or NED for approval and financing under a contract. The funds are then distributed to the Caracas offices that pass the money to Venezuelan beneficiary organizations under sub-contracts, each of which requires approval by the headquarters of the agency where the funds originated.

The three action agencies with offices in Caracas also have to submit to their Washington headquarters the résumés of leaders of proposed beneficiary organizations, undoubtedly so that the CIA may do a background security check on them, internally and with other security agencies, as part of the approval process. Additionally, each contract requires that the executing agency in Caracas submit progress reports every three or six months plus special reports on important issues.  On the whole, this system of projects, approvals, contracts, and subcontracts are a concrete, sophisticated mechanism totally controlled by the U.S. government.  The evidence is contained in the hundreds of official documents, including contracts, obtained since 2003 through the Freedom of Information Act.  A great quantity of documents is published at http://www.venezuelafoia.info .  These documents reveal that NED has been directly financing at least 17 Venezuelan non-governmental organizations apart from its financing of many others through its four associated foundations.



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The most interesting aspect of this contract is the designation of the U.S. personnel for the DAI Caracas office (5 people) plus one coordinator based in Washington.  These 6 people, referred to as “Key Personnel”, are named in the contract by OTI, but only by last name and initial: J. McCarthy, Chief of Party; H. Méndez, L., Blank and G. Díaz, Program Development Officers; G. Fung, Financial Management Specialist; and J., Jutkowitz, Local Program Manager in Washington.  The contract does not state one word about who these people are nor where they come from for this urgent and quickly mounted operation.  Obviously each one had to have extensive knowledge about Venezuela, U.S. policy there, and fluency in Spanish in order to carry out their duties from the moment they arrived.  Under the contract OTI reserves the right to substitute any one of the six.  Thus DAI, a private consulting company, cannot choose the project personnel.  One cannot dismiss the possibility that these 6 people are CIA officers placed under commercial cover with DAI.  Furthermore, for each prospective Venezuelan employee, DAI has to submit his/her resume and other information for approval by the CTO before hiring.  It is obvious that with this contract OTI is simply renting DAI’s corporate structure for a wholly governmental operation, while attempting to disguise it as a private sector program.  And in fact all the OTI requirements in the contract are tasks that are to be carried out by personnel assigned by OTI, with DAI being only a commercial cover.

<snip>

As for the possibility that this OTI and DAI activity is really a CIA operation, it is convenient to recall what I wrote in Inside the Company: CIA Diary (1975) about the use of commercial cover for CIA officials in foreign countries.  From its beginnings in 1947, the CIA placed officers overseas to manage operations under non-governmental cover in order to separate very sensitive activities from the officers working in embassies with diplomatic cover.  Through the years various U.S. international corporations cooperated by placing CIA officers in their overseas operations.  However, a CIA officer working in an embassy always had to back up the non-official cover officer in many ways, and this administrative task typically took up much, if not too much, time.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1549

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=155244&mesg_id=155244
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:29 AM
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18. Your info. is great: so helpful. I'm hoping people will take the time
to look through it. It's bound to open some eyes.

I really appreciate the chance to have read Ari Fleishman's statement about the "resignation" of Hugo Chavez, BEFORE they realized their coup was going into the dumper.

It's all too clear how deeply committed and involved they were in this coup. I hope ALL of the information comes out someday.

It was tremendous reading something from Eva Golinger, who has become a powerful voice for Venezuela in the U.S., fighting a lonely battle against the right-wing Venezuelans and their extensive resources, who have bonded with George W. Bush.

It's a damned shame Bush is pouring so much of Americans' hard-earned, much needed tax money into overthrowing very popular, democratically elected leaders like Chavez. It truly isn't decent.
We're being used as a piggy-bank and as cannon-fodder by a greedy mad-man and his horde.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:39 AM
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19. May I be the first on this thread to welcome you to D.U.?
It's just great seeing a person who keeps up posting here! Not everyone who has taken the time to comment is also someone who is informed on the subject on which he/she's posting.

Welcome to D.U. I'll bet you'll enjoy a lot of your time here. :hi: :hi: :hi:

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:34 PM
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8. Gee I thought it would be the people in Montana taking back ranches
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:35 PM
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10. Maybe. They took back their energy company.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:05 AM
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13. What Chirac said...
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 12:06 AM by Dirk39
Mr. Chirac said, "the only thing the British have given European agriculture is the mad cow."
"You can't trust people who cook as badly as that," he said of the British. "After Finland, it's the country with the worst food."
At that point, Mr. Putin suggested that American hamburgers might rank the worst of bad food. "No, no," Mr. Chirac replied, "the hamburgers -- that's nothing in comparison."



http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050706-120608-3686r.htm


Hello from Germany I couldn't resist,
Dirk
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:07 AM
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14. LOL.....Too funny!!!.....Throwing that British tea over board!!!
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:46 AM
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16. Can't help but laugh, it's too funny....
I'm trying to picture, Halliburton taken over by a leader of ours and the profit given back to the poor.:dilemma:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:55 AM
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17. Mooooooooooooooove over
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