Bush Admin. Threatens to Veto Iraq Aid

[bluedog]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&ncid=703&e=8&u=/ap/20031021/ap_on_go_co/congress_iraq


White House officials issued the warning even though many lawmakers agree that the bill's final version is likely to bow to President Bush (news - web sites) and omit any loans. By underscoring Bush's opposition to loans, the administration threat could make it easier for congressional Republican leaders to nail down enough votes to help the president prevail.

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Bush and a host of administration officials had repeatedly expressed their opposition to loans in recent weeks, but had not issued a veto threat before. A letter written Tuesday reiterated White House arguments, but contained the first such veto warning.


"If this provision is not removed, the president's senior advisers would recommend that he veto the bill," wrote White House budget director Joshua Bolten.

(see bush doesn't want to give an inch..he wants it all his damn way....

[symbolman]

1. Good!

Veto that money and give it back to the RIch you thief..

IMPEACH this creature.

[Richardo]

2. MAKE HIM DO IT!!!

Make him explain to his loyal followers why we should give "our money" away...and watch those poll numbers continue to slide...

Turd.

[Guaranteed]

3. LOL!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Go right ahead you slimy bastard!
On edit: Removed a few exclamation points.

[Beetwasher]

4. It's Harder to Steal a Loan

Can't have that now can we? Their opposition to having this Aid to Iraq be a loan can be understood in only this way. There's no other reason to oppose this money being a loan...

[arcane1]

7. EXACTLY!!!!

I agee, MAKE that bastard veto the bill. I DARE YA!!!!

[Guaranteed]

8. They don't want it to be a loan because

if the Iraqis have to pay the money back, they'll have to sell their oil to American oil companies at higher than ridiculously low prices, which will cut into their profit margin. This is just another way for Bush's business buddies to loot the national treasury.

[tom_paine]

18. Exactly. That move took $20 billion out of what Busheviks will steal

And they can't have that.

These thugs and thieves are using our once-proud, once-free nation as asswipe.

And they cannot bear that $20,000,000,000 that will have to be accounted for and "paid back".

Which means Busheviks can't steal it, or they'll have to pay it back to the Amerikan Imperial Subjects, which is to say to pay it to the filthy little nobodies from whom they've stolen it.

And they can't have that.

[shanti]

27. right on!

you hit the nail on the head!

[bemildred]

5. Much easier to haggle over loans than to have to

discuss what the $87 billion might accomplish at home,
or to explain why they need it.
:puke:

[denverbill]

6. That would be funny as hell.

Repukelickers are already trying to paint Kerry, Edwards, and others as anti-American for voting against the bill. It would be funny as hell if Bush vetoed it.

[Guaranteed]

10. Exactly.

I don't understand how this is a threat.

[flamingyouth]

9. Watching * explain his veto will amuse me to no end

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

[bif]

11. The big baby always gets his own way, doesn't he?

n/t

[gasperc]

12. Plllllllllllllleasssssssssssseeeeeeee veto it

Please oh please

[Guaranteed]

13. This smells of desperation....

If this is the best move that Bush has left....vetoing his OWN bill....then he's in deep shit.
I posted this in my own thread in GD a few days ago...no one responded, of course....but, making part of this a loan was absolute genius. It effectively takes 10 billion dollars away from Bush's business buddies.

[Gin]

15. call or email your reps....tell them not to cave on the loan part..

make this creten veto the bill

[teryang]

35. It does and it doesn't

Ultimately reconstruction money will go to Bushco contractors whether it is from a loan or not.

The problem with loans is that they interfere with the ultimate objective, alienability of Iraqi property to foreign buyers and privatization. Theoretically, millions could be spent building a telecommunication or electrical infrastructure and their capital assets. If the loans used to build them are secured by the capital structures built with the money it will be difficult to complete the last phase of the process which is buying up a nation'a infrastructure by private (American) corporations for pennies on the dollar.

That can't be done because the creditor will insist that enough money is paid to discharge his mortgage liens. Most likely there will be relative equity inversons where a 15 million loan secures a property worth 5 million when completed. Typically, corporate pirates would bribe a few officials and pick up the property for a million dollars. With secured government loans this sort of exploitation by privatization can't take place, without the horror of horrors, debt repudiation.

[0007]

14. This is a dead give-a-way!!

Please go right ahead junior and veto your own request. Then you'll find out what this country is made up of!

October 25th in a few days, I hope the vets that aren't going back march.

[bluedog]

16. thats it

congress offered....he says no..no body gets a dime!!!!

[roguevalley]

17. may I say: BRING IT ON!?!?!?!

He's such a loser. I hope someone somewhere has integrity
and forces a loan. I just say Dana Rohrbacher (R-Cally-forn-ya, I
believe) making an embarrassed yet self-serving speech to allow loans
in the bill because the American people (probably let him know in his district) that they will rip his you-know-whats off if he votes for it and thereby jeopardizes his own future which, apparently, even rethug idiots hold more dear than party and country.

Go, Dana! You wanker.

[JPace]

19. Make my day!

Hey AWOL.....do the veto thing.....
U.S. citizens need to know how
much you love Iraquis and how little
you love American tax payers!

[samsingh]

21. shrub launched an illegal war

that killed tens of thousands of Iraqis. he has no love for them. i believe this desparate act is being driven by how easy it is to steal a $20 billion grant compared with a loan.

[JPace]

38. It may not be love but.....

what ever it is it will stink to the
American people if he vetoes a loan
but pushes for a gift from American
tax payers who aren't doing enough
to help their own. The unemployed,
the undereducated, the homeless, the
uninsured.....we need that money
at home!

[izzie]

20. Bring 'em on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. Has Bush vetoed anything of note?

The veto is a big deal in itself. He's mister greased wheels of commerce...I mean government

[DisgustipatedinCA]

24. If I'm not mistaken

He's never vetoed anything at all. He threatens it all the time. I dream of a world where we have an opposition party that would say, "go ahead and veto it, you stupid sonofabitch".

[rocktivity]

23. Go ahead, Georgie--MAKE OUR DAY!!!

I thought it was a done deal what with all the Dems who voted for it--but then again, maybe that's exactly WHY they voted for it! Sure, that's it--they just PRETENDED to go along so they wouldn't be called traitors, but they knew full well that with the loan clause, the Pretzel-Dunce would veto it! Well go right ahead--either veto your own bill, or explain to the public why a country with one of the world's largest oil supplies as collateral should get a completely free ride! How lucky are you feeling, punk?


rocknation

[booksenkatz]

25. My thoughts exactly, rocknation

I'm sitting here thinking, man, did my beloved Senator Levin anticipate this? It's the only thing that makes sense. If Levin knew this was going to happen, then I offer my sincerest apologies, Carl, for ever doubting you.
:wow:

[revcarol]

26. Carlyle/Bechtel/Halliburton, etc. definitely don't want loans.

An Iraqi elected government would just repudiate the loans, saying that sweetheart deals harmful to Iraq's economy were forced down their throats by an armed U. S. occupation force AND THEY'D BE RIGHT!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. What a total idiot.

It's like a bank robber putting a gun to his head and threatening to shoot himself if the bank doesn't hand over the vault money.

:eyes:

[Mokito]

29. On the beat of a drum

VETO!!
VETO!!
VETO!!
VETO!!
VETO!!
VETO!!
VETO!!
VETO!!

[grasswire]

30. CNN says...

....the threat has backfired on Capitol Hill. Even Republicans are calling it heavy handed and stunningly stupid. John King quoted one of them calling it STUPID.

Sounds as if someone's out of control.

Republicans are rebelling!

[Beetwasher]

31. No Shit?!

That's amazing...Is it a big story on CNN today?

[Richardo]

32. I think you mean "the Republicans are revolting" ;-)

Anyway, this is great news 'cause it means the extortionist cockroach DeLay will come out from behind the baseboard to make an idiot of himself defending his Leader.

WTG, Tom! :eyes: :thumbsup:

[Guaranteed]

33. LOL

Good one!
Beers all around!!

:toast:

[WillyT]

34. Also LOL !!! --- Can Bush Even Spell 'Veto' ???

He could use a pocket veto, except his handlers have them all sewn up!

:evilgrin:

DU it Georgie... Just DU it!

[Emillereid]

36. Make my day!

[TOhioLiberal]

37. VETO!

I was TOTALLY pissed that the pResident wants any of the money as grants... I hope he does veto it, 'cause it just stinks!
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[LiberalFighter]

39. Final Vote Results for Roll Call 567

http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2003&rollnumber=567

Indiana
Yea
Dan Burton (R)
Julia Carson (D)
Baron Hill (D)
John Hostettler (R)
Mike Pence (R)
Peter Visclosky (D)

Nay
Steve Buyer (R)
Chris Chocola (R)
Mark Souder (R)