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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:26 AM
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Reid Warns of Filibuster Over Owen
Reid Warns of Filibuster Over Owen

Robert Novak reports Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) "has informed" Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) "that Federal Appeals Court Judge Priscilla Owen will be filibustered if President Bush names her to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor on the Supreme Court.

"Republican senators are divided on whether former Texas Supreme Court Justice Owen is vulnerable because she underwent a filibuster for the appellate seat and was confirmed under the compromise agreement. Frist is known to believe Owen can be confirmed in the face of a filibuster.

"Republican Senate strategists believe Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is the only possible Bush nominee to replace O'Connor who would not face a filibuster."

The AP says President Bush "extended invitations Friday to key Senate leaders to meet at the White House next week to discuss" the O'Connor's spot on the bench.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/09/17/reid_warns_of_filibuster_over_owen.html
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:32 AM
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1. Once Gonzalez is in the Genava conventions are moot.
Roberts is the pansy willing to roll over. Gonzalez is the architect of torture.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:49 AM
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2. Gonzales wd NOT face filibuster??? I thought they SAVED it for HIM!! -NT
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:29 AM
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6. they're ALWAYS saving!
first 2004, now 2006, then 2008...
ad infinitum, ad nauseam
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:15 PM
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35. yep, they're always keeping their powder dry and saving it for "next time"
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:27 PM
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38. You got that right! I am so sick of this never occuring "tomorrow".
Gonzalez is "acceptable" to some of our party "leaders"? Mr "TORTURE"?

I don't fucking believe this.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:07 AM
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12. Gonzales is one of the only potential picks that's not overtly anti-choice
So, although he's repugnant like all Bush cronies, he doesn't have an anti choice record, and as a judge has ev en ruled once or twice in a way that infuriated the anti-abortion activists (I can't remember the specifics at the moment. So some in the Dem party feel that he's the best out of a bad bunch. I can see their reasoning.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:53 AM
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3. I'm sooo NOT impressed.
Reid's checklist:

Every wing-nut pick so far - check
John 'I Stole Your Vote' Roberts - check
Alberto 'Torture Boy' Gonzales - check
Priscilla 'Insaniac' Owens - maybe not

Any of the "judges" that the Dems have already passed seem no worse than any others. They are ALL unacceptable. They should have stood up years ago.

They should draw the line at Roberts. No More!

But, hey, this story is reported from the mouth of a traitor.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:58 AM
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4. Their GOP picks are pretty pathetic
Should we back those who want slavery reinstituted or be liberal and go for indentured servants? Should we back those who wish to do away with birth control and divorce or those who want to do away with abortion. Choices, choices, choices.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:26 AM
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5. Hope so
By letting Roberts go through without a fillibuster (but still voting no, mostly), the Democrats come accross as reasonable and balanced in their tactics, rather than as naked obstructionists.

If the Democrats really saddle up for a fight on the next nominee, then I am prepared to live with Roberts in the Chief Justice's chair.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 02:34 AM
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7. really, what do you know about Roberts?
Frankly, the democrats should filibuster anyone who does NOT answer questions where they stand.

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 03:03 AM
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8. Would the GOP have been right in filibustering Ginsberg?
Because she rightly refused to answer many questions.

I see no reason why Roberts should not be confirmed, infact I think he is the best we can get out of this administration, he may even be more liberal than Rehnquist.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:44 AM
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16. More liberal than Rehnquist?
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 08:44 AM by bitchkitty
THat's like saying I, a woman, have a bigger penis than my sister. It doesn't make sense.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:38 AM
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23. LOL
or, would you rather be put into a cage with a hungry lion or a hungry tiger?

both rehnquist and by all accounts roberts have a dismal view on civil rights


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nyublue Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 04:41 PM
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32. it makes perfect sense
Replacing Rehnquist with someone even slightly less conservation shifts the overall court slightly to the left.

If we got someone the equivalent of O'Conner to replace her, the court won't change its makeup at all and the status quo is maintained.

Given the republican control of the senate and the presidency, that's pretty good.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:33 AM
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21. I see plenty of reasons
1. Lied about 9/11
2. Lied about Iraq
3. Ignored Katrina


In addition, the outing of a CIA agent, at the very minimum had white house involvement, and until we know what exactly happened, this administration MAY HAVE COMITTED TREASON. FOR THAT ALONE, we should NOT allow ANY NOMINATION TO GO FORWARD, until we find out if this administration comitted a crime or NOT.


For the last 6 years the democrats in congress gave away the store. They will continue to do so until civil rights, and a woman's right to choose are gone.

I have no allusions that roberts will be confirmed, I also have no allusions about his past. Associating himself with administrations trying to undo the civil rights act of 1960, or the gore v bush supreme court decision, tells me why he was so evasive

When do you think it is time for the democrats to stand up and be an opposition party? They didn't do it for the appeals court judges, they didn't do it for the medicare prescription durg plan, they didn't do it for the bankrupcy bill, or the iraq war, or the patriot act

No, this country deserves the representation it has by their apathy, and Roe V Wade will slowly be eroded away, and our freedoms slowly dissolved. Only then will we appreciate what we have lost

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 05:19 AM
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10. Agreed
Noone with such limited experience should receive support from the Democratic party.

Noone who refuses to answer questions should be supported by the Democratic party.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:36 AM
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22. It is time to make a stand
what is the democratic strategy? Wait until the next nominee. That is what they have been doing for six years, and look where it got us

Sorry, but this administration has already shown its true colors, and that is deceit. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. How many more times do we need to be fooled.

At the very minimum we should wait until fitzgerald comes back with the conclusion of the outing of a CIA agent. If this ADMINISTRATION was involved, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO APPOINT LIFETIME JUDGES

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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 03:38 PM
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30. agree
sick of this "we don't have the votes, let it go" bullshit. Then let's get the votes or know the reason why.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:37 AM
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15. I agree..
.... Roberts is a done deal, there is no way to filibuster on "what you don't know".

But we know plenty about Owen, and Reid is drawing the line in the sand in the right place IMHO, now if he'll just stick to his word.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:40 AM
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25. What exactly have the democrats Obstructed?
I think I missed it.

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:30 PM
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39. What utter and complete bullshit!
It's getting to be a broken record!

They will label us any goddamn way they wish ANYWAY - no matter what "we" do!

The democratic leadership is pathetic.

I want an OPPOSITION PARTY - I WANT "OBSTRUCTIONISTS"!

Sure didn't hurt the repukes any, did it!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 03:13 AM
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9. Harry Reid is jerking our chains
Why won't he threaten a filibuster on smug face, evil eyed Roberts? If they set a precident by not fighting him what makes him think it won't be harder to do it to Owen?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:25 AM
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14. I agree!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 06:02 PM
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33. He does have creepy eyes
They are very, very disturbing. If one's eyes are really the window to the soul...I don't like what's going on in his.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 06:27 AM
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11. Man we're gonna get screwed again!
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 06:35 AM by 0007
That filibuster deal was the worse screwing we got since junior stole the election.
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:13 AM
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13. Spector said not to nominate Gonzales (eom)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:13 AM
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17. Doesn't matter if the nominee is
Owen or not, they have to filibuster to keep or return this country to a true representative democracy. There is no choice and let your elected reps know.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:26 AM
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18. Face it folks....it's a conspiracy.
So much has happened so fast. Patriot I, II, and III certainly to be passed before the end of the year. You don't enact those kind of laws without plans to use them. They want to use nukes, so that the military can be used at home. Alot of the federal appeals courts have been stacked, now 2 seats on the USSC will be filled with their water carriers. There will be no where to turn.

We are in serious trouble.


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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:41 AM
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26. and I sense that some of the democrats are part of it also
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 06:38 PM
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34. Oh definately
That was my point. The dems conspiring with the repubs. We are toast.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:31 PM
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41. I know they are.
Holy Joe is a puke in Dem clothing for sure.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:27 AM
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19. Gonzales, with all his crimes readily apparent, will not face filibuster?
Why is the criminal Roberts being appointed?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:39 AM
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24. because the majority of democrats in congress today stand for NOTHING
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:31 PM
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40. They stand for things - Biden stands for MBNA, Hillary stands for Citibank
(and her ambitions). I guess the best of the lot is Feingold and Kennedy. But I can't believe Kennedy got hoddwinked into NCLB.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:47 AM
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20. OK, people. Reid said Owens will be filibustered. Who wants to
bitch about that?

It is a Republican Senate strategist who makes the comment about Gonzales, not a Democrat.

Geez, we hear the Dem Minority Leader say a specific, horrid Judge will definitely be filibustered and all I see is bitching. WTF!

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:44 AM
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27. they are bitching because in the same breath it was implied that
gonzales would be acceptable, and not be under a filibuster

frankly, until the pending case on the outing of a CIA agent which implicates this administration of serious crimes and misdeameanors is finished, we should NOT allow ANY judge to be confirmed

If this administration is involved in TREASON they have no right to appoint anyone to a permanent position in the judicial

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 02:14 PM
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28. If "Nofacts" reports it I would take it with about a pound of salt.
Harry Reid would be unlikely to lead the filibuster and if he were I doubt he would come right out and tell Fristy in so many words. I ould bet that this is yet another nofacts construction of events.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 02:29 PM
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29. When it comes to Pricilla Owens, I have no doubt that the Dems
would filibuster. She is simply atrocious and the ammunition against her is enormous.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 04:12 PM
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31. I agree and with Chimpy taking a dive in the polls
he had better be careful because there might possibly be 3 moderate Repubs who would be tempted to oppose this evil woman and I think Alan Specter would be the first to jump ship.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:18 PM
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36. About time for Lieberman and the band of 14 to kiss Jr's ass again
wouldn't you say ? :sarcasm:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:23 PM
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37. Whomever Bush Appoints, Will Ultimately Be Recalled or Impeached
And I don't want to hear the "It can't happen" bullshit! If the people want it, it will be so.
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